F1 2021 – spoilers here

Some details on the engine changes in here…

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/58775836

If this teaser is anything to go by, Red Bull’s livery this weekend is going to look TASTY 🤩

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.red-bull-and-alphatauri-to-run-special-honda-tribute-liveries-at-turkish.gop45HCth8SSrqq7ZsJxX.html

Bit underwhelming, as expected really. Would’ve been much cooler if they’d removed the sponsors logos that they could (ie the Red Bull ones)

OTOH, good illustration of rake in that photo

I think it looks great

If it’s meant to mimic the Honda F1 cars of the 60’s they missed the net by a mile and kicked the ball into row Z! 🙂

Just looks messy.

retro83
Free Member

I think it looks great

On its own it’s fine, but as a homage to the really simple old Honda livery?

From the front it looks like they tried to copy the Marlboro scheme from McLaren but with Red Bull logos and it looks horrible.

McLaren showed how it should be done when they ran the Gulf livery earlier this year. Maybe RedBull’s will look better on TV but I can’t see many people saying they’d like them to run it again.

On its own it’s fine, but as a homage to the really simple old Honda livery?

Yeah, basically that—had hoped it would be a bit more minimalist. Even just getting rid of the yellow and reducing the size of the text on the side pods would have gone a long way.

Just looks messy.

Yep.

Doesn’t make me think fondly of anything in F1’s past, as I suspect it was supposed to

The white, red and yellow combination makes my teeth itch. It’s a no from me.

I do hope that we’ll see that Monaco Gulf McLaren livery again very soon though.

Just looks messy.

I think all modern F1 cars look messy.

Some go beyond messy, I don’t have words to describe this.

thepurist
Full Member

McLaren showed how it should be done when they ran the Gulf livery earlier this year

See, maybe it was just my TV settings, but I thought that looked crap on TV. The blue just looked white/light grey most of the time.
Good in photos though.

edit, i just checked the yt vid of it, and it’s the same on there. Probably just because it was so sunny on the day

Maybe it was just my TV settings, but I thought that looked crap on TV. The blue just looked light grey.

Ever since F1 was first televised it’s proved difficult to make a livery stand out on the screen. Malboro era McLarens aren’t red and white in the metal – the red is actually dayglo orange. Jaguar’s F1 cars were unexpectedly lurid and Jordan’s yellow was eye-hurtingly florescent.

PJM1974

Ever since F1 was first televised it’s proved difficult to make a livery stand out on the screen. Malboro era McLarens aren’t red and white in the metal – the red is actually dayglo orange. Jaguar’s F1 cars were unexpectedly lurid and Jordan’s yellow was eye-hurtingly florescent.

Yeah, mclaren still had that bright orange paint when I went to see them in 2009 ish, it looked absolutely brilliant in person.

I think the Aston paint is a big shame, half the time it just looks black on TV.

Anyway re mclaren’s Gulf livery, i just think if they’d used a tone closer to

rather than

it would have looked better on TV

Honda and Red Bull Group have agreed on a programme of cooperation focused on a variety of motorsport activities, including Formula 1, young driver development and other forms of motorsport, as well as encompassing marketing and branding initiatives. #PoweredByHonda

— Honda Racing F1 (@HondaRacingF1) October 7, 2021

So, Honda are going to withdraw as an engine constructor, but develop the engine to adapt it to the new fuel for next year, and also keep making them for Red Bull to use, but not call it a Honda engine? I’m confused.

Honda pulled all of the funding for petrol cars to focus on alternatives.

I assume they have funding to understand synthetic fuels and how they work but not enough for a full programme, so it will just be partial funding of the engines.

New ICE for Hammy, so looking like a 10 place grid drop. Sainz is taking a full power unit, so guess he’ll be starting from the back.

ICE

In Car Entertainment?
Can he not just do without his tunes for a couple of hours?! Jeez!
Do they even have room for a 10-disc autochanger?

I bet Toto is fuming!

So, Honda are going to withdraw as an engine constructor, but develop the engine to adapt it to the new fuel for next year, and also keep making them for Red Bull to use, but not call it a Honda engine? I’m confused.

I think it boils down to Honda will help with the transition but Red Bull will provide the $$$ 💵💵💵

Seems like a wise move from Merc. New oily bits only mean a 10 place drop, they can make that up on the right track. You’d have to be pretty daft to bet against a podium for Lewis even with that grid drop, which will mean relatively few points lost against Crashtappen even if he wins.

Could be a wet qualifying and race too.

They just need Bottas to hold him up long enough for Hamilton to catch him.
Oh….

Wet track – mixed up grid – this should be good!! 🙂

Is Bottas going to take out Verstappen again? 😛

Prettys boring that one. Promised a lot but Mercedes pulling Lewis in when they did just destroyed any late fun and games. A few decent overtakes, especially from Sainz, but nothing spectacular.

All because the circuit was that annoying ‘too dry for inters but not enough for slicks’ condition that really kills any strategy or driving genius.

Maybe Lewis should have pitted when they told him to?

Definitely. Hamilton’s his own worst enemy sometimes I think.

I would have loved it if Hamilton had stayed out

what a great race.. plenty of intrigue and at points could’ve been totally different result. The changeable conditions always bring out the best of the drivers. Comedy moment was Vettel skidding around on slicks. Must have been really scary out there and at least he didn’t spin it.
Mazepin doing what he does best and so very close for Giovanni.

This was Ocon’s tyre at the end. I think Merc were right to tell Hamilton to pit.

Not a patch on the previous one but hey ho, they can’t all be fun.
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For me, Perez was the driver of the year last year but a bit underwhealming this year, albeit not as much as Bottas. Nice to finally see the number twos both doing their jobs (hold Hamilton up and then follow Verstappen home, and win the race if Hamilton can’t respectively) Perez certainly puts up a better defence than Bottas!
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Also, could someone fact-check me. Apart from Belgium this year, which was odd, Occon is the first driver to none-stop the race since Mika Salo got third for Tyrell in Monaco 1996?

I think Hamilton ran from start to finish on the same tyres for last year’s Turkish GP

Not according to Andrew Benson (BBC):

To give some context to Hamilton’s desire to stay out, no driver has completed a grand prix without changing tyres since Mika Salo took fifth place for Tyrrell at Monaco in 1997. The next most recent time was when Gerhard Berger won in a Benetton in Mexico in 1986.

I think Hamilton ran from start to finish on the same tyres for last year’s Turkish GP

Came in on lap 8 last year. Technically though he is the last driver to not pit in a race but he did change his tyres under a red flag (Canada 2016 I think). @andrewh is probably correct in Salo being the last driver before Ocon to use the same set of tyres for an entire GP.

Difficult one for Merc – Hamilton felt comfortable and he would have liked to have stayed out. But, should his tyres have gone completely he would have lost a stack of points. Finishing outside the points for either Max or Lewis from now on would be utterly disastorous and he’s got his engine change out of the way and not lost a lot of ground.

In his words he ios a risk taker, Mercedes are not. On balance I think they made the right call but this is all easy for the armchair pundit with the benefit of hindsight 🙂

Haha, I was a year and two places out.
I agree with Danny though, better a definite fifth than a third/DNF toss up when you’re fighting for a title. Different for Norris last time, that was worth a gamble for a win as the penalty for it all going wrong is much less

better a definite fifth than a third/DNF toss up when you’re fighting for a title.

The question I think is more whether he should have come in earlier but that carried risk too. Very difficult call to make but either way, this year is turning in to one of the classic title scraps. not seen anything like this for many a year 🙂

The bookies seem to have Max as slight favourite for the drivers with Lewis showing just under evens. For the constructors they favour Merc by a fair bit. Personally I think the drivers is too close to call but I do think Merc will take the constructors. Bottas just scores more heavily as no2 than Perez.