EU Referendum – are you in or out?

Six months ago Boris was building a bridge across to Ireland, how’s that working out?

I think he built it over some deadly ditch at the end of October last year instead 🤔

Quite why this one detail is sacrosanct and the rest cheerfully ignored I have no idea.

Everyone’s accepted that the result was always going to be actioned, and that it wasn’t going to be revoked. So the legal status is unimportant.

“Yes your honour, I did murder the deceased, but in my defence he accepted I was going to do it.”

Do I need to define “representative democracy” again?

Cougar – can’t really believe you’re serious with your comment about an advisory referendum.
It’s been written and talked about extensively;

I like to think Cougar had his tongue well and truly in his cheek.

Meanwhile, today’s Brexit Bonus:

Man gets ‘Brexit surprise’ on invoice for new Mercedes-Benz

Meanwhile, today’s Brexit Bonus:

And will only be a problem if the car in question isn’t going to be delivered until 2021 because our trading relationship remains the same until 31.12.20 at the earliest, what a crock of shite article

Yoou obviously haven’t checked out the pound/euro rate today, Dickyboy. There are some decisions to be made by the EU between now and May on Brexit which could knock 15% off the pound.

Yoou obviously haven’t checked out the pound/euro rate today,

Guilty as charged m’lud 🙄 guess we should be getting forex early for any foreign holidays this year…

what a crock of shite article

Whilst the Metro has a notoriously low standard of journalism which it often fails to meet, it’s hardly the article that’s a “crock of shite” if they’re simply factually reporting an event which actually happened. If you disagree with it then you should be directing your disdain towards Merc instead, nein?

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jan/13/brexit-irish-border-uk-northern-ireland

What’s that you say? It’s actually not that easy to just “get Brexit done”? Well I’m astonished…

The Irish border could yet snag Boris Johnson’s Brexit deal, with experts saying it will be impossible to deliver the computer systems for the special arrangements for Northern Ireland by the end of this year.

Hand up if this comes as news to anyone who has ever worked in IT.

I am just wondering how long the Boris illusion can last? I think 18 months full illusion, 12 months “we’re fixing it” then 24 months of utter economic shite.

Jeez. I can’t believe people are still arguing about this. Democracy prevailed. Move on and accept that if you want the right to vote then you also have to accept the alternative viewpoint when it differs to yours.

Result accepted.

What that does not mean is that I prepared to sit back and toe the line whilst politicians and their dodgy backers effectively weaponise stupidity as a positive political force.

I will still be reminding the people that voted for this shitshow every time something comes to light. And I don’t give a shit if that makes them more bitter.

Dickheads on social media are always saying “why don’t you just get behind it?” But what exactly is it they want me to do? I will keep on working hard to provide for my family and pay a handsome amount of tax for the privilege (assuming Brexit doesn’t lose me my job). What else? Sing ‘Two World Wars and One World Cup Doo Dah Doo Dah’ loudly at least once a day?

What they really mean is ‘stop pointing out our stupidity’.

No way.

result NOT accepted here. It was a result of propaganda and gerrymandering. For a democratic vote to be valid the electorate must be informed. It wasn’t. Therefore the result is invalid

also my country voted very strongly against brexit.

Accept the result?, aye that’ll be **** right, like I’ve said before ill continue to call out those that voted for brexit as deluded **** idiots (my actual words are quite a bit stronger)

+1 ” all of the above” 🙁

I like this forum. Simple, no avatars and guff like that. But…

Democracy prevailed.

Yes it did.

That doesn’t mean I have to stop pointing out that the decision the ‘majority’ made is really bad, and hold them to account for the impact of that ongoing.
You made the bed. I’m going to make you lie in it and tell you the discomfort you will now have.
Edit: I also will hold you to account on the ‘plan’ and decisions now being made as we move forward

…never have I wanted a ‘Like’ button more.

Also…

flanagaj

I agree, but it hasn’t even been implemented. Once implemented and after a few years then I have no issue with a campaign to rejoin the EU.

I just don’t believe you. And think leaving to make the point then grovelling to get back in *might* leave us worse off. So please don’t try to spin it as a selling point.

Currently I’m in full “I’m alright, Jack” mode. Job (hopefully) secure, decent union so income shouldn’t actually go down*. Mortgage fixed for 10 years. I’ll be fine. Call me an interested spectator.

My GE vote was an irrelevance given my constituency, so I certainly it don’t have to “get behind” anything. Or “get” anything done.

* in absolute terms – hence the long mortgage fix. More than used to real-terms decline, from a previous career. Just let’s hope folk don’t enjoy going overseas and expecting to afford stuff.

I just don’t believe you.

Seems plausible if taken literally perhaps. “after a few years then I have no issue with a campaign to rejoin the EU.” No issues with having a campaign, with the assumption that it’ll fail.

How many years is “a few” I wonder?

Again Cougar, you’re better at this than me!

My initial response was based on “no issue with rejoining”. Which I don’t believe. But that’s not what was said, and I failed to notice…

What was actually said was “no issue with a campaign”. Which is a different thing. Especially with the “a few” year qualifier. I’m not sit out to be a politician or policy maker.

I’ll stick to life-critical safely decisions instead.

If only I could stop clicking on the damn thread…

I now have a full time role pointing at the shite and going “told you so”

I may have to work overtime…..

I was shot down in the past on this thread for moving from caring socialist to not giving a shit but hey ho hard rain will fall.

NSFW – but funny

If only I could stop clicking on the damn thread…

Well, quite.

It’s not democracy when the winning side has got there by telling whopping lies.

The Swiss have the answer to that, invalidate the result.

To be fair, the UK government accepted in court that had ours been a binding referendum it would be declared invalid 🤦

Anyway, the job I was waiting on a start date for has been pulled pending a decision on how Brexit pans out. An extra £10k a year, my own feelings of self worth and the chance for my wife to drop to four days a week to save her own sanity all down the pan. Bastard Brexit

To be fair, the UK government accepted in court that had ours been a binding referendum it would be declared invalid

That’s oft cited but it’s not true.

The court ruled that an advisory referendum couldn’t be held to the same standards as a legally binding one, but they didn’t speculate as to what might have happened if it had been mandatory.

It’s not democracy when the winning side has got there by telling whopping lies.

Sadly, it is. That’s most of the problem with it.

Just heard Little Liam Fox doing some groundwork to instill the sense that it will be down to civil service intransigence when 1st Feb doesn’t reveal a crush of nations banging down the door to do awesomely favourable trade deals.

Instead, of course, it will bring Uncle Don, tub of lube in hand and a facial expression that says “NOW, let’s get down to some real business”.

But it will all be the fault of a remainer fifth column in the civil service, of course.

Boris wants us to “Bung a Bob for a big Ben bong” on brexit night.. 🙄

Boris wants us to “Bung a Bob for a big Ben bong” on brexit night.. 

No chance. But every one of those stupid ‘celebratory’ 50p pieces I ever get is either being donated to the campaign to rejoin or the Grauniad. Whichever I think causes Bojo and his mates the most discomfort.

I like that idea…

Hasn’t the validity (or otherwise) of the 2016 referendum been made irrelevant by the recent general election?

A vote for the Tories was a vote to leave.

Arguably the Great British Public are more informed now about the problems of leaving than they were in 2016. And yet Boris still won.

not really as the tories got under 50% of the vote

People have voted 3 times for Brexit.

Sadly it is going to happen.

But leavers should not expect us to keep quiet about it.

not really as the tories got under 50% of the vote

I thought that all brexit supporting parties got <50% combined?

I thought that all brexit supporting parties got <50% combined?

True. But a Brexit party won out right. They now get to enact their policies, and deliver Brexit in whatever form they desire (or can achieve). The fact that only a minority of voters backed them, or now back Brexit, is now pretty irrelevant… (just about) all UK governments rule based a minority share of the vote. That’s why our democracy is superior to all other forms of democracy… there is no need for a UK government to act in the interest of even a slim majority of its residents, never mind aim to act in the interests of most of them. [sarcasm intended]

I might have a big bong on Brexit night, just to ease the pain 🙂

The fact that only a minority of voters backed them, or now back Brexit, is now pretty irrelevant… (just about) all UK governments rule based a minority share of the vote. That’s why our democracy is superior to all other forms of democracy… there is no need for a UK government to act in the interest of even a slim majority of its residents, never mind aim to act in the interests of most of them.

This is what I’ve been trying to get across for months.

Whether a majority of the populace want brexit or the majority want it stopped is an irrelevance. What the people want, or think they want, has no bearing on anything. Like it or not it’s parliament’s job to make those decisions on our behalf, this is literally how our democratic system works and has worked for a couple of centuries now. (For some value of “worked,” at any rate.)

Arguably the Great British Public are more informed now about the problems of leaving than they were in 2016. And yet Boris still won.

Well he was promising to get ‘it’ Done, and that Corbyn bloke !!!

I’m not sure that many people are actually interested in the petty implementation issues they just wanted us to take back control as soon as possible.

Hasn’t the validity (or otherwise) of the 2016 referendum been made irrelevant by the recent general election?

A vote for the Tories was a vote to leave.

Arguably the Great British Public are more informed now about the problems of leaving than they were in 2016. And yet Boris still won.

yep pro brexit parties got 47% of vote

2nd ref/remain parties got 53% of the vote so its actually the other way round

None of the headaches have gone away, So farJohnson has no answers better than May’s to the same issues of NI, customs, sequencing, divergence etc, in fact his play on NI is worse

they just wanted us to take back control as soon as possible.

This much is certain.

“… of what,” remains rather more elusive, however.