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  • Premier Icon kimbers
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    theres either an epic fudge or an epic flounce coming

    Premier Icon molgrips
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    Who was looking for Brexit positives?  Here’s one.  Well.. a potential one…

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/oct/10/brexit-leaving-eu-farming-agriculture

    Premier Icon mikewsmith
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    ah the moon boot getting on in on farming again, in other news….

    Farming subsidies can be crazy but the irony is leaving the EU does not give the UK power to unilaterally change them. Any subsidies would have to be agreed in WTO if we go that way. Obviously New Zealand would like to see no subsidies for lamb going to any farmers in the UK and no tariff for import of their product.

    long term it might work out well but in the short term because the government is not organised in any way many people will get screwed

    Premier Icon Cougar
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    … and zero tariffs on meat would destroy the UK farming industry inside of a week.

    Premier Icon Cougar
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    Sorry, that’s probably “project fear” again, isn’t it.

    Hell of a weapon those leavers have got there to dismiss any predictions or warnings that they don’t like.  I wish we’d thought of it.

    Premier Icon dissonance
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    Well.. a potential one…

    Not really. Remember the British government had plenty of influence on the farming subsidies. Admittedly not as much as the French but in terms of how it was used in the UK with the massive upside for the big landowners, or tory peers as many are also known, a lot was down to UK implementation decisions.

    thecaptain
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    A little while ago, someone was trying to defend the BBC as being not really biased about brexit. Someone else posted on Twitter a list of all the MEPs who had been invited on to question time in the last 5 years. 35 in total, 33 from ukip and twice hannan who might as well be a member. Not a single MEP from any of the other parties, not a single MEP to defend the European parliament or EU more generally and explain what it does for us.

    Premier Icon mikewsmith
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    The question would be were the UKIP lot on (farage) because they were mep’s or because they were a handy representative of leave. Whereas there were plenty of non mep’s to defend the eu.

    Premier Icon thepurist
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    I thought QT always had a token nutter on the panel to rant about something topical, so UKIP would have been a perfect fit over much of the past N years.  If it was all people with moderate views it’d be a bit beige.

    Premier Icon slowoldman
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    We need a bit more beige at the moment.

    Premier Icon BillOddie
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    We need A LOT more beige at the moment.

    Assuming beige means politicians with policies based on facts and issues not fear mongering,  unicorns and sunlit uplands.

    Premier Icon kimbers
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    That £1bn bribe to the DUP looking mighty foolish right now, especially as barnier showed no sign of budging on cu cu proposals yesterday.

    With Italys populists throwing a tantrum the EU have to make exit look tough or they’ll be conceding on (& weakening) the SM/CU alll over the place.

    With Italys populists throwing a tantrum the EU have to make exit look tough or they’ll be conceding on (& weakening) the SM/CU alll over the place.

    Leaving has had to look bad enough (look but not necessarily be) that if you are not France/Germany you risk collapsing. Italy are always on that point anyway so it should not need to be so much to discourage them…

    Premier Icon slowoldman
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    Assuming beige means politicians with policies based on facts and issues not fear mongering,  unicorns and sunlit uplands.

    Yes that is the sort of beige I had in mind. Perhaps it would be more acceptable if we rebranded it Magnolia.

    Premier Icon thepurist
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    Assuming beige means politicians with policies based on facts and issues not fear mongering, unicorns and sunlit uplands.

    Oh yes, wall to wall beige would be nice for anyone actually making a decision (or likely to).  The nutters do make for entertaining telly though, in a ‘shouting at the screen with disbelief and waiting for someone to challenge the frothing nonsense spewing from their mouth’ kind of way.

    Premier Icon kimbers
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    “there will be no downside to brexit, only a considerable upside” David Davis, 10 October 2016

    10 October 2018

    https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-plan-to-use-m26-motorway-as-parking-lot-port-dover-if-no-brexit-deal/

    Premier Icon kelvin
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    An unhappy Tory MP…

    https://news.sky.com/story/mp-tom-tugendhats-fury-over-no-deal-brexit-plan-for-m26-motorway-11523504

    (edit : sorry, that’s pretty much a duplicate of your link @kimbers)

    Premier Icon kelvin
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    The nutters do make for entertaining telly though,

    Poiltics as entertainment.

    Look where it is taking us.

    Premier Icon kimbers
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    if youre a subscriber, fascinating insight into how the negotiations have gone

    https://www.ft.com/content/a7298efa-cc1c-11e8-b276-b9069bde0956

    if youre not, to summarise…

    that Olly Robbins has been the only grown up on the UK side

    Premier Icon kelvin
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    USA taking every opportunity to squeeze us, while the EU keeps backing us on international trade matters… as we Leave them…

    https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2018-10-09/u-s-is-said-to-mull-blocking-u-k-from-global-procurement-pact

    …yet most UK media still painting it the other way around.

    Premier Icon kimbers
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    another evisceration of the brexiters from Ivan rogers here

    long read but goes into detail about just how deluded many MPs still are about it all

    https://share.trin.cam.ac.uk/sites/public/Comms/Rogers_brexit_as_revolution.pdf

    BaronVonP7
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    Next batch of “Protect and Survive” guides are out.

    Lights might be going out all over NornRland, come March.

    Britain’s space industry “success story” might need the prefix “former”.

    IT companies might be able to transfer data into the UK from the EU if its written in the contract. And the EU doesn’t get petty.

    Blimin’ ‘eck, we really need the grown ups to come charging in on the spitfire winged unicorns. Soon as.

    Edit: Ooops! Two were from September…

    mrmo
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    next batch, and shock horror. No more eurotunnel in a no deal situation.

    and because no one ever thinks about it.

    Dublin Belfast train service, is that also shut down?

    Premier Icon kelvin
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    What is our government doing to help companies here prepare? Beyond writing notices that basically say “ask someone else about it, we don’t really know” and keeping its own preparations secret ’till the last minutes?

    Premier Icon AD
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    But you have gotta love Arlene talking about ‘dodgy’ deals 🙂

    https://news.sky.com/story/dodgy-brexit-deal-will-annex-northern-ireland-from-uk-arlene-foster-warns-pm-11524933

    Do these people have absolutely no sense of honour?

    Do these people have absolutely no sense of honour?

    They are the DUP.

    They will tear down anything to preserve their position. Anything. Really. Anything. Present company excepted, it’s no bad thing that everybody on the mainland is getting to see just how they operate.

    Premier Icon BoardinBob
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    I really can’t stress this enough, but if you voted for Brexit you should be absolutely ashamed of yourself. The damage you’ve done to this country should rest squarely on your shoulders, but sadly those of us with an ounce of common sense are going to be dragged down with the absolute shit show that’s really starting to unravel now

    Premier Icon binners
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    If you’d have asked who were the last people on Earth you’d with the power to hold the U.K. government to ransom then the DUP would top the list, closely followed by the hard right lunatic fringe of the Tory party.

    The fact that these two groups of headbangers are now dictating policy is absolutely terrifying!

    Christ only knows where they’re going to take us! Nowhere good, that’s for damn sure!

    Premier Icon kilo
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    Do these people have absolutely no sense of honour

    where have you been? All they care about is their own narrow spiteful interests. The majority in the north voted against brexit, but **** it the anti- everything party will stand firm ,no surrender, etc, etc

    Premier Icon mikewsmith
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    Do these people have absolutely no sense of honour

    LOL I’ve been misreading that as humour, as it works just the same.

    oldmanmtb
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    Pack of dogs basically, the DUP ERG really dont like each other, then you have the middle ground Torie brexitters looking after themselves, then the Tory remainers.

    Four packs of dogs with varying sets of teeth and numbers of dogs. The DUP will get taken out by the other three packs at some point as will the ERG.

    The real question is who will vote for Mays dodgy deal.

    The real question is who will vote for Mays dodgy deal.

    If May gets a deal they will all vote for it due to brown trousers

    Premier Icon mikewsmith
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    Whoa there, this one might get some traction

    <h2>Spotify and Netflix</h2>
    It also emerged on Friday that consumers may not be able to access online services such as Netflix, Spotify and Amazon Prime when travelling to the EU on holiday in the event of no deal.

    Regarding the “portability of online content service”, a notice published on 24 September but previously unreported said: “The portability regulation will cease to apply to UK nationals when they travel to the EU.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/oct/12/rail-safety-spotify-access-key-no-deal-brexit-notices-analysis

    My Netflix account is based on the US… I can still use in the UK and Europe… each location has unique catalogs

    downloads don’t play from UK to USA but seem to in Europe

    athgray
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    I am absolutely appalled by the DUP. They won’t stand for any difference in trade requirements across the Irish sea, but are quite happy for a different approach to same sex marriage and what decisions a woman can make about her own body.

    They supported Brexit from the beginning and get what they deserve in my book. What did they expect? Also, they seem more willing to have extra checks at a beefed up border with ROI which shows the lack of sanctity of the Good Friday Agreement.

    May is in a very week position, but she should cut them loose.I am sure Foster has said that a deal which sees border checks in the Irish sea is unpalatable and could spark the breakup of the UK. If a deal May can get is stifled by this small band of idiots she certainly risks greater chance of a break up of the UK from a different flank.

    May is in a very week position, but she should cut them loose.I am sure Foster has said that a deal which sees border checks in the Irish sea is unpalatable and could spark the breakup of the UK. If a deal May can get is stifled by this small band of idiots she certainly risks greater chance of a break up of the UK from a different flank.

    This.

    I would rather leave the Protestant Northern Irish to the Catholics and RO and keep the Scots.. Cut ’em adrift I say…..

    Premier Icon mikewsmith
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    May is in a very week position, but she should cut them loose.

    And with the being the Government. She is not PM without them.

    Today good old DD called for a revolt over her Brexit proposal, she doesn’t even have control of her own party now. It’s a huge mess and I at this point the only way out is to force her out.

    Premier Icon binners
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    If she cuts them loose then the government collapses. Then what happens? Chaos! Absolute chaos like we’ve probably never witnessed in this country. Finding ourselves with no government at the most critical point in this countries history since the second world war?

    And then what?

    The optimists like to think that a Corbyn government would be elected and we’d then have a more sensible approach to Brexit, but if the last ten years history has taught us anything, its that in times of crisis people are looking to the right, not the left for answers.

    Unbelievable though it seems, I can only see what emerges out of the smouldering wreckage of this present administration (such as it is) would be even worse!

    I’m going to dig a big bunker and start stockpiling spam and hend grenades

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