down to the rider or the bike?

A Honda Jizz?
Awesome .

Up whites climb. Over and down the wall. Down the first descent of whites up the fireroad past the end of the black. All of skyline including descent. Handy Andy being closed at the time.

GPS with a Nokia. Quoted 45 according to it. Trace looked right from the map view.

Dude, you talk like ED-209.

Worried about you. Will continue to. All in jest.

Trouble with you lot is that none of you are competitive. You can only become a better rider by trying to beat all around you, and it is important that if one rider is better than another, then the better rider tells everyone, and treats the worse rider with contempt. This is, after all, a competitive society.

Oh, and a good lap time for the 45 miles of Afan trails is around 2 hours 32 mins. If you haven’t got near that you’re a no hoper.

stug45 or Elbury? only one way to decide – FIIIIGHTT!!!!!

Oh, and a good lap time for the 45 miles of Afan trails is around 2 hours 32 mins. If you haven’t got near that you’re a no hoper.

18mph Average. You are Ollie Beckinsale and I claim my £5.

Trouble with you lot is that none of you are competitive

I bet I’m more competitive than you.

I paricularly like the bit where he quotes one rule about negative use of the forum, and breaks another by swearing.