[Closed] Don't normally like road bikes...

Very nice! Can I ask how much the frame was? But what's going on with the wiggles in the forks and seat stays?

I normally like road bikes. I have to admit my expectations weren't high on opening a thread with this title.

It was about £400. Stupidly light as well.

I normally like road bikes. I have to admit my expectations weren't high on opening a thread with this title.

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This is that bike
http://www.carscoops.com/2012/08/it-came-from-ebay-hell-peugeot-406.html

car park barrier ,frame incident

It all looks wibbly-wobbly yet I haven't been drinking? 😕

Is that stem in orbit around those spacers? I'm assuming your mate damaged his back in that parking barrier interface.

Why would you buy such a thing? A lack of common sense perhaps? It may be more sensible to buy something 'real' within your budget. Is this thread a troll?

Will he be putting it on top of an M badged 318i?

It baffles me that someone who doesn't normally like road bikes likes this one. Show us some pictures of mountain bikes you like, just so I can try and work you out 😉

MTB pedals.

That is all.

nice Ponarillo

ah a chinarello, most folk who have them seem to love them, brand biggots hate them 😉

MTB pedals.

That is all.

Regarding the forks being shaped .Bates were doing this with steel years ago in a imilar way

ah a chinarello, most folk who have them seem to love them

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I thought it was Bates who did the stays no wonder I couldnt find a picture of one !!

I know absolutely nothing about road bikes,all I can say is I like how it looks.
Is that broken bike the same as my mates one,if so is that a common thing that happens?

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ah a chinarello, most folk who have them seem to love them

Especially when this happens!

Because it doesn't happen to the big brands?

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I really hate the wiggly bits on the dogma. It makes me feel sick.

Me no likey the wibbly bits.

Also don't see the point of buying a cheap frame with an expensive brand name on it; posing on a fake..... I'd be feeling 😳 not 8)

Nice but those bars, EWW 😯 ,.... the forks look a bit iffy too.

Drained by Dali?
To be fair he only commutes on it.

I wouldn't worry about the picture of the broken one, Mike Hall rode round the world on his chinese carbon frame, just happen to have a Planet X sticker on it, that didn't break....

Really dislike the wiggly bits, surely a bike that only wiggins fanboys buy? Each to there own though.

So what is it? Is it a Pinnarello Dogma or a Chinese copy for £400? I was chatting to one of the GB pro's recently who reckoned you could buy an un badged Pinnarello direct from the factory in china for a fraction of the price. He also referred to his company dogma as 'that heap of heavy Italian sh**e'!

So where does one get such a frame for so little money?

Swap the forks for regular and BAM! it'd be nice but..

Isn't PlanetX frame and forks about that price anyway?!!

*Aren't....

Relevant:
http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/fake-bike-kit-costing-industry-millions-a-year-37212/

You beat me to it, I was just about to post that link!

Buying a cheap Chinese knock-off frame with basically no warranty - yeah genius. 🙄

Im all for buying a no-brand frame from china (I've used one for over 6000 miles) but why would anyone want an actual fake bike?!

Looks like it fell out of the ugly tree(the ugly tree that's full of fakes)

I know absolutely nothing about road bikes,all I can say is I like how it looks.

You see: Your error was expressing an opinion that didn't conform to the STW hive mind, therefore attracting ridicule.

Remember: Conformity is acceptance around these 'ere parts.

If it's a fake and you pass through customs and they spot it then it will be conficated and destroyed. Also no warranty and likely to be sub standard, way too many risks buying knock off stuff

I've got no problem with cheap chinese frames, but I wouldn't want one of these because a) it's a fake which as pointed out isn't really on and b) I'd be worried they spent all their time and effort making it [i]look[/i] right rather than riding well/being safe!

So its not a real Dogma then,what is it?

Just looked up Pinarello Dogma framesets, they are usually £4000 and your friend's cost £400 which is a little concerning. And for all the Pinarello haters, doesn't Wiggo ride a Dogma?

Yes Sherma but it's 'wiggos' job to ride one, he'd probably ride an Apollo if he got paid more!

They're probably still mint tho, dunno about that dogyma tho

they all come from "open moulds" and there are about 20/30 companies who all sell very similar frames. [url= http://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale?SearchText=road+frame+carbon&catId=0&initiative_id=AS_20130501054506 ]literally hundred to choose from [/url] but still need to air on the side of caution...

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I can forgive buying a carbon ebay frame (I bought some wheels, wont do that again though)

But I really can't forgive the millions of spacers and MTB angle stem 😉

Excuse my ignorance I thought Dogma was a cheap Chinese brand.

If you can buy one of these for £400, just think of the profit Pinnarello make just by sticking their name on it!

Look just as ugly on the outside as a genuine one but are they the same on the inside ?
Or even weigh the same

But 400 still looks like a proper bargain

I know a couple of boys that have dodgy Dogmas and they are far from light. But that's probably the glass GRP joints.

And for all the Pinarello haters, doesn't Wiggo ride a Dogma?

I couldn't give two shits what he rode, if it's ugly its ugly.

I would prefer to buy from a manufacturer or lbs than from someone on eBay.

While I realise they are more than likely the same product, you only have the eBay sellers word to go off. I'd like a little more than that if I'm going to do 80kmh down a twisty hill on one.

As for it costing the industry millions, didn't the record companies claim the same thing when people started copying CDs and downloading from the Internet... Millions if those people would have paid the outrageous prices for the bikes/frames/clothes in the first place.

I know a couple of boys that have dodgy Dogmas and they are far from light. But that's probably the glass GRP joints.

To be fair, there's good fakes and bad fakes out there. We sell Pinarellos in our shop, and a few of our customers have got fakes, a couple of them look nothing like one but a couple are actually pretty close and you can only tell the differences when you get up very close.

It's the same deal with buying the cheap Chinese XML lights though. 90% of them are very poor quality and give a useless beam and/or the battery burns out when charging. But 10% of them are really rather good, and almost match anything you can buy in the UK at a much higher price. The thing is though you don't know whether its any good or not until it arrives, or you take the advice off a stranger on the Internet... So it's a total lottery almost!

And as for the Chinese frames costing Pinarello loads in lost revenue? Think of them more like an MR2 with a bodykif compared to a real Ferrari. Such a vastly different price point that there's no comparison. The guys who buy the fakes would never buy the real thing unless they won the lottery, they couldn't justify the cost to themselves! And the guys who buy the real thing would never consider a fake for even a moment, even though chances are it could be nearly the same frame, if they have the means to afford the real thing they would never risk it.