Does Nick Griffin have a point? Yes, that Nick Griffin…

would you let a gay Dr or male nurse examine your genitals,at the local surgery, or give you a full body shave, prior to an operation in hospital,or getting changed in front of a load of gay men in a changing room at a sports centre etc.

I’m trying to figure out what you’re worried about here…
– you think gay is contagious and you might catch it
– that the gay person might find you irresistible
– that you’ll be “tempted” and find them irresistible
???

I’m really hoping project was playing devil’s advocate with that question. Otherwise I’m beginning to understand why his mate’s missus doesn’t like him.

I’ve lost track of this thread a bit.. So has Nick Griffin come out or not then..?

Well, you know what they say about those who doth protest too much.

HoratioHufnagel – Member

– you think gay is contagious and you might catch it

True- but don’t worry, it’s only sexually transmitted.

After starting out defending the gay rights, you end with a little joke about cocksucking gays and some stereotypical generalisation about ‘gaydar’. Well, thanks for your support.

I have no idea what position you are taking on being gay, tbh, and have no desire to support it from what I’ve read.

You seem to imply it’s somethign people believe they are in the same way that people believe they are Chirstians.

I fundamentally disagree with that – it’s not about believing somethign it’s about being it.

my ‘joke’ was when you suggested that people might be a ‘bit’ gay and I made a reference to the whole Bill Cinton – I didn’t smoke dope because I didn;t inhale thing.

People can’t be a ‘a bit’ gay – either you fancy people who are the same gender as you, or you don’t.

And you certainly can’t be ‘cured’ of it the way a lot of Chirstian groups seem to want to believe.

project – Member

Thing is for all those who dont discriminate and say being gay is ok and perfectly normal,just ask yourselves, would you let a gay Dr or male nurse examine your genitals,at the local surgery, or give you a full body shave, prior to an operation in hospital,or getting changed in front of a load of gay men in a changing room at a sports centre etc.

Yet another, genuine, WTF from me.
Why would you have a problem about this?

I would imagine you must have openly gay friends, colleagues or relatives?
What is it about them that would make you have a problem about being medically examined by a health professional who happened to be gay?

Seriously, that post sounds like it’s been beamed in directly from a 1960’s Daily Mail letters page.

Apparently, gays are all rampant and would instantly be attracted to project should they have the opportunity to caress his wonderful manhood. I mean, come on, that’s what it would be…a big gay caress, not a medical examination. It’s not like gays, being so rampant, would ever be able to separate their professional from their personal and sexual lives. project, being so full of manliness, would completely disarm a rampant gay who was examining his penis.

You’d think that a religion who’s fundamental belief was that a God can artificially inseminate a woman to create their prophet would be a bit more liberal when it came to peoples sexual activities?

project, being so full of manliness, would completely disarm a rampant gay who was examining his penis.

They’ve got guns now?

So armed, gay health professionals are forcing their way into Christian B & B’s, just to examine Nick Griffin’s penis?

Hell. In a handcart.

This thread has gone seriously wierd.

It’s just so full of wrong that I’m bowing out.

final thought;

Gay people are just like everyone else, they just fancy people who are the same gender as them. The rest of their personal and professional lives are no different to anyone elses.

People can’t be a ‘a bit’ gay – either you fancy people who are the same gender as you, or you don’t.

Well, yes, they can. You can have a primary and a secondary choice; so you could primarily fancy girls but occasionally fancy boys.

And that’s an oversimplification. People are complex beasts.

*wish I hadn;t started*

isn;t that being bisexual?

being gay means you *only* fancy men. Well, to me.

One more WTF for project here. Why would I care if my doctor is gay or straight, male or female? My main requirement is that they make me better, not ask me out!

Also…

Also noticed there are not many openly gay cyclists willing to comment on the above posts, tells you a lot about discrimination in the cycling fraternity.

There are several openly gay people on this forum and at least one transsexual. I’ve never seen anyone make an issue about it on here, in fact the vast majority seem quite supportive when it comes up, so I’m not sure what point about the “cycling fraternity” you are making?

Especially because which gender you prefer has very little to do with bicycles.

Not that much else on here has anything to do with bicycles 🙂

Thing is for all those who dont discriminate and say being gay is ok and perfectly normal,just ask yourselves, would you let a gay Dr or male nurse examine your genitals,at the local surgery, or give you a full body shave, prior to an operation in hospital,or getting changed in front of a load of gay men in a changing room at a sports centre etc.

Either you are “Joking”

Or you appear to be quite homophobic 😐

Bloody hell, everyone here seems utterly determined to make such a big deal about the gay aspect of this, ignoring the original fact of the case, which has been pointed out by a couple of people, and studiously ignored by everyone else;
THE B&B OWNERS TURNED AWAY ANY COUPLE WHO WEREN’T MARRIED, AS THAT WENT AGAINST THEIR BELIEFS
That an unmarried gay couple then turned up, having read that unmarried couples weren’t allowed, seems to be deliberately provocative. The only possible way in which it could be clearly proven that the B&B owners were homophobic would be if a married gay couple tried to book and were turned away.
Sheesh!

THE B&B OWNERS TURNED AWAY ANY COUPLE WHO WEREN’T MARRIED, AS THAT WENT AGAINST THEIR BELIEFS

How long has the church been recognising same-sex marriage, then?

So, turned away for not being married, nothing to do with being gay …

..except that they never asked whether the couple in question were in a civil partnership. Nor, apparently, did they insist on seeing the marriage certificates of all the hetero couples who came to stay.
Mary and Joseph weren’t married when they asked for room at the inn either, btw.

well said (well typed) countzero.

..except that they never asked whether the couple in question were in a civil partnership.

To be fair, that wouldn’t count as “married” anyway (in the eyes of the church.)

Bloody hell, everyone here seems utterly determined to make such a big deal about the gay aspect of this, ignoring the original fact of the case, which has been pointed out by a couple of people, and studiously ignored by everyone else;
THE B&B OWNERS TURNED AWAY ANY COUPLE WHO WEREN’T MARRIED, AS THAT WENT AGAINST THEIR BELIEFS

Is that so? this report from The Telegraph:

Giving evidence to the court previously, Mrs Wilkinson claimed she had been acting in accordance with her religion, and her belief that homosexual relations – as opposed to orientation – are “sinful”.

She insisted she had also turned away several unmarried heterosexual couples who appeared to want the room during the day for sex.

“As a Christian I have tried to live my life and carry out my work in accordance with my deeply held Christian beliefs and to permit same sex couples to share a double room in my home would be an act against my core religious beliefs and conscience,” she told the court.

— http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/9617792/Gay-couple-turned-away-from-BandB-win-discrimination-case.html

So no. That’s nonsense.

I struggle with long sentences

my only conclusion from skim reading most this is that project is homophobic. He needs some sense dryboned into him.

So was the B&B owner.

Well, their beliefs change. this is not a choice, it’s based on a changing different interpretation of the world around them.

Firstly, I think you misunderstand the brain a bit. Many opinions can be shown to be governed at the conscious level, some discriminatory behavior etc has been shown to operate sub-consciously though. The thing about the brain is it’s plastic, once you choose to think about your views more your brain is going to think about the world around it in a different way and interpret it differently. By taking the conscious decision to think about a subject, before you have changed your opinion…. will I believe…. alter the brains receptiveness to a new belief system. Some peoples brains have a natural tendency to question their own belief system more, I think this is what psychologists term openness? No? It’s late and I can’t remember.

Secondly I think you are a determinist? Your whole belief system (as that’s what determinism currently is, a belief) rests on whether quantum mechanics a) operates at the neuronal level b) has any underlying logic we have not seen that governs it.

political view and see if you can choose to believe the opposite of your current belief. I reckon you can espouse the views of the other side, but deep within you, your belief will not have changed.

I can, as others here may have noticed, I’m a self-contradictory nihilist. I’ll argue against global warming one day, for it the next, against socialism another, for it the next. Etc etc ad nauseum.

If I am fool, it is, at least, a doubting one; and I envy no one the certainty of his self-approved wisdom. – Lord Byron

Have we done this yet?

Apparently they’re more likely to be nonces or serial killers though Captainflashheart.

😀

I suspect we develop irrational prejudices quite naturally. They come as a mental shortcuts. I reckon I have an Innate racism that arises from the racism of my parents. But intellectually I know racism to be destructive and unfair so I actively fight that urge at every turn.

I don’t thInk sexual preferences are less complex that food preferences. Humans are complex.

It’s taken centuries to attain our current realisation that we benefit from racial social sexual and religious tolerance. Let’s not blow it by entertaining the opinions of Griffin.

I suspect we develop irrational prejudices quite naturally. They come as a mental shortcuts. I reckon I have an Innate racism that arises from the racism of my parents. But intellectually I know racism to be destructive and unfair so I actively fight that urge at every turn.

Win – nice post Buzz.

Your subconscious and conscious self are always doing battle. If they don’t and the unconscious wins, men can often become opportunistic rapists etc.

buzz-lightyear – Member
I suspect we develop irrational prejudices quite naturally. They come as a mental shortcuts. I reckon I have an Innate racism that arises from the racism of my parents. But intellectually I know racism to be destructive and unfair so I actively fight that urge at every turn.

I reckon you’d like this book, it’s brilliant.
Lot’s of analysis of the type of thought that you and bwarp are both talking about. Well worth a read.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thinking,_Fast_and_Slow

Hi Folks,

Resident gayer popping in, if anyone has any questions related to gayering. 🙂

Singletracked: my personal belief is that there is a much larger scale than the Kinsey one, a continuum of sexualities between gay & straight. Again my belief is that there may be a genetic predisposition to gayness that is activated by first years’ experiences.

All I can say for me is that I have never, ever, fantasised about the ladies. Only hunky men! 😀

As for religion, it is different. You take a child from birth, hide all aspects of religion from it then at 18 tell them about all faiths and none and let them read the holy books, I imagine some would be “spiritual” but most would hate the violence/misogyny/hatred in there. On the other hand I knew I fancied Mr Hume, the geography teacher, like crazy, even when I didn’t have the word “gay” to attach myself to! (He was well gorgeous!).

My 2p’s worth anyhow.

You take a child from birth, hide all aspects of religion from it then at 18 tell them about all faiths and none and let them read the holy books, I imagine some would be “spiritual” but most would hate the violence/misogyny/hatred in there.

I strongly suspect that very, very few would go “oh, so that explains it!” and convert on the spot. I don’t doubt some would, but I’d put good money on it being a minority.

Resident gayer popping in, if anyone has any questions related to gayering.

‘s a point, actually. For all that STW is supposed to be made up of whiney middle-class coc er, IT Managers, I don’t think I’ve ever used a forum this skewed towards heterosexual males. Offhand I could probably think of maybe three or four regular chaps and chapesses who are (openly at least) of a same-sex preference, and one TG member, which seems remarkably under-representative.

THE B&B OWNERS TURNED AWAY ANY COUPLE WHO WEREN’T MARRIED, AS THAT WENT AGAINST THEIR BELIEFS

From a TripAdvisor review

My boyfriend & I stayed here…

In the double bed?

Post.Of.The.Thread!!!

Cougar – Member
‘s a point, actually. For all that STW is supposed to be made up of whiney middle-class coc er, IT Managers, I don’t think I’ve ever used a forum this skewed towards heterosexual males. Offhand I could probably think of maybe three or four regular chaps and chapesses who are (openly at least) of a same-sex preference, and one TG member, which seems remarkably under-representative.

Careful. You’re almost following Projects thinking there. I’ve ceased making any assumptions about the sexuality of STW members – for a start, isn’t Easygirl actually a bloke? Perhaps we could have a special “Rainbow” P for LGBT members.

Later in the review there is mention of “the room” and “the bed”, so unless she’s got terrible grammar, then yes, it sounds like they shared a room, and a bed.

Double post.

But a chance to make another point. It doesn’t matter if they did discriminate against unmarried couples, both gay and straight, that’s still discrimination and they shouldn’t be allowed to do it. It does sound from the evidence like they were far more concerned about the gays than the unmarried straight couples though.

And since when does a couple of feet of carpet stop two people shagging if they want to anyway?

I’ve never quite understood the idea that gay is something you pick up as you go through life. Without much variance, the gay people I’ve met have never been attracted to the opposite sex. Some have dabbled but generally they’ve always known that they weren’t into the opposite. Interestingly most of my gay friends have straight siblings so clearly the family weren’t indoctrinating them to be gay or giving them gay tablets or whatever it is people who assume you learn to be gay think.