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  • Difference between Propane and Butane
  • MartynS
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    Heres one for the STW hive mind..

    will I die in a horrible fireball if I use butane on a portable gas appliance rather than the reccomended propane.
    Having had a bit of a google round I can't see any real difference.
    Will one burn much hotter than the other? I just don't know!

    igm
    Full Member

    C4H10 and C5H12 if I recall.

    Will you die? Probably. Eventually.

    29erKeith
    Free Member

    they liquefy at different temps, I know that
    i.e. one wont come out of the canister as a gas when it get much below 0 degrees which I encountered on a bivy in January this year.
    don't know about burning though
    a lot of camping gas canisters are a mix
    I think they have different regulators don't they though?!?!?
    sorry not much help there

    tiggs121
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    I use both in our campervan – no problems.

    You need different regulators for each though.

    tiggs121
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    Some more info for you –
    For the caravanner, two types of LPG are generally available – Propane and Butane. Propane canisters are invariably red, and use a universal type of connector. Butane canisters vary in colour from supplier to supplier, but are most commonly blue. The connector for Butane also varies between manufacturers, with some (for example, Calor) using different types of connector on different sizes of bottle. In each case, the gas pressure inside the bottle is much too high for the pipes and appliances inside a caravan, and so a regulator must be fitted to the bottle. Regulators are available both as 'high pressure' and 'low pressure' models – for a caravan application, it is vital that you select a 'low pressure' model (28 mbar for Butane and 37 mbar for Propane.)
    Which gas should I use, Propane or Butane?

    The physical properties of the two gases are very similar, and when regulated to the correct pressure, they will perform almost identically. However there are some important differences.

    Of the two gases, Butane has the most advantages.

    * It is less toxic and so can legally be used and stored indoors. Litre for litre, it contains around 12% more energy than Propane and so you can squeeze more running time into the same sized bottle. (Butane is heavier than Propane though, so weight for weight it's a pretty close call.)
    * Butane also burns cleaner than Propane (although this isn't normally a serious issue in caravanning.)
    * Finally, while it's not strictly a property of the gas, Butane canisters generally use clip-on type connections. These are far more convenient than the Propane screw type connections, especially if you swap bottles around regularly (as you might if you also use your caravan bottle to run a barbecue.)

    Conversely, Propane has only one advantage over Butane – but it's a big one!

    * In order to be usable, the liquid in the bottle must be able to boil into a gas. In the case of Butane, this will happen at any temperature above -2C, whereas with Propane, this figure is much lower, at -42C. In the real world, it's not so clear cut. Whenever some of the liquid boils into gas, the remaining liquid cools. It is therefore possible for the temperature of the liquid to drop to several degrees below ambient. This can easily prevent a Butane canister from producing a useful gas supply, even when the outside temperature is several degrees above 0C. A compromise can be reached by mixing Propane with Butane, but as far as I'm aware, none of the UK 'big bottle' suppliers actually do this. The small gas cartridges that are produced for camping stoves and gas lamps are often Propane/Butane mixes. So choosing the right gas pretty much boils down to whether you need to use it in freezing (or near freezing) conditions. If this is likely, then Propane is a must. If not, then Butane has the edge.

    nbt
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    In the caravan we always used Propane (red bottle) and had a small bottle of Butane (blue) as an emergency backup. I seem to recall that the hob burnt noticably better / stronger on Propane, but it's quite a few years ago now…

    kevonakona
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    Tiggs, sorry a couple of things: toxicity, neither are toxic. They both are narcotics in and asphyxiants though. Butand is heavier than propane nope, molecular mass is higher but one kg of each weighs 1kg densities do differ but not by much.

    Heats of combustion -2220kj per mol, v's -2877 kj per mol, so more energy for a given amount of butane than propane.

    Balanced equations show that for complete combustion you need more oxygen for the butan therefore more likely to get CO from the butane for a given amount of air.

    To answer the OPs question no you won't notice much difference unless you are at low temperatures in which case the bp of propane is more suited to your needs but for UK/euopean camping over the next few months either will do.

    MartynS
    Full Member

    Is there nothing this place can't answer…!
    sounds like I'll be ok to use up the butane canister I have

    kevonakona
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    Not only is there nothing that can't be answered but the more "niche" the question, the more likely the pedants are to come out.

    Macavity
    Free Member

    Why do you want to use butane on a propane piece of kit?
    There is stuff on youtube on how to refil propane canisters (even single use canisters).

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