Dealing with anti-vaxxers

I live on an estate and some parents are anti-vaxxers. How do I protect myself and family from them?

How do you even reason with these people and their scaremongering?

errr…. get vaccinated?

Feed them dirt and leave rusty nails around the place.

Vaccination requires a certain level of heard vaccination to work properly. I’d be pushing for school bans for the unvaccinated really.

You cant – they’re beyond logic and reason, I know a few NHS employees who are anti-vaxxers. Crazy can’t have it’s mind changed.

I know about herd immunity, but should I try and avoid physical proximity to them in case they catch whooping cough or some other 15th century disease?

Well I wouldn’t invite their germ bags to my house..

requires a certain level of heard vaccination

They can do it aurally now?

I bet they are the same idiots who use herbal remedies and all that kind of quack stuff. I despair when I see otherwise intelligent people behaving so unreasonably.

requires a certain level of heard vaccination
They can do it aurally now?

is this one of those situations where if you keep saying the same thing enough times eventually people think it’s true?

pardon?

Herbal remedies are not necessarily quack.

Some herbal remedies may/can work but it needs to be the right thing and ignoring conventional medicine “because” is mad. Pick the best tool for the job.

just accept vaccines are toxic crap and that’s by their makers own admission

^^^ troll alert

STW will now give a practical demonstration for the OP, delivered with the usual tact and diplomacy. 😀

just accept vaccines are toxic crap and that’s by their makers own admission

Yep, absolutely. They don’t work at all, and that’s proven by how much they’ve reduced the prevalance of all the diseases they vaccinate against. And when usage drops thanks to mass idiocy like the MMR scare, those diseases see an increase. Bang on, well said.

just accept vaccines are toxic crap

But smallpox is actually really good for you. 😉

Jim Jefferies with all the answers again.

Unfortunately this was filmed with a potato, but the audio is what matters really (beware some swearing):

and pregnant women avoiding measles is sooooo last season darlink! This season it’s all about damaging the unborn foetus.

I’ve got smallpox right now and I’m loving it.

http://www.ifyouonlynews.com/science/this-pro-science-comic-about-vaccines-is-so-simple-even-a-rabid-anti-vaxxer-can-understand-it-image/

The vaccinations given to all newborns are actaully drugs designed to weaken the health of the human population and help to depopulate the world, spread by the illumanati. 💡 😈

I bet they are the same idiots who use herbal remedies and all that kind of quack stuff. I despair when I see otherwise intelligent people behaving so unreasonably.

You have to define exactly what you mean by ‘herbal’, considering a significant number of very effective drugs are either made from plants, or originally derived from plants: two in particular spring to mind, acetylsalicylic acid, otherwise known as Aspirin, was extracted from willow bark, and there’s two highly effective chemotherapy drugs, docetaxel and paclitaxel, both derived from the leaves of the European and Pacific Yew.
While both can be made synthetically, yew leaves are still collected for use in the production.
Many more drugs and remedies come from plants and herbs, and more are being discovered in remote areas of rain forest.
So many millions of idiots are using herbal remedies every day, all over the world.

I dispair when I talk to people who have no idea how homeopathic or herbal remedies differ

I dispair when I talk to people who have no idea how homeopathic or herbal remedies differ

You just use less of it? Right?

As for the OP, just daub “BIOHAZARD” on their front door in yellow paint*.

*probably at night.

I was under the impression that vaccination ratios need to be at a level to prevent an outbreak amongst those that aren’t vaccinated rather than to protect those that are vaccinated. I. E. From a purely selfish viewpoint some idiot’s lack of vaccination is their problem not the vaccinated.

Happy to be corrected by anyone with infectious disease knowledge

Herbal remedies that work are called ‘medicine’…

“The problem with today’s world is that everyone believes they have the right to express their opinion AND have others listen to it.

The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!”
? Brian Cox

Jim Jefferies with all the answers again.

Beat me to it. Watched that last night. Very good!

I was under the impression that vaccination ratios need to be at a level to prevent an outbreak amongst those that aren’t vaccinated rather than to protect those that are vaccinated I. E. From a purely selfish viewpoint some idiot’s lack of vaccination is their problem not the vaccinated.

Not an expert but as I understand it:

Vaccination is never 100% effective – so just because you’ve been vaccinated doesn’t give you guaranteed immunity.

Also not everyone has a choice. Some people will be not be vaccinated because they are too young, or they are allergic, or have compromised immune systems etc.

All this is countered by herd immunity, which fails if vaccination levels fall below a critical percentage.

I was under the impression that vaccination ratios need to be at a level to prevent an outbreak amongst those that aren’t vaccinated rather than to protect those that are vaccinated. I. E. From a purely selfish viewpoint some idiot’s lack of vaccination is their problem not the vaccinated.

Kind of (actually, just read the above post, which sort of covers it).
Being vaccinated prevents (hopefully) you getting infected, but also prevents you spreading it.
Some people can’t be vaccinated – immunocompromised, very young/old/CatAIDSy types.
If enough people are vaccinated, the disease simply can’t ‘carry’ near to the non-vaccinated people.

Basically, there’s two types of people who aren’t vaccinated:
-those who medically can’t, and
-crazies (or more fairly, crazy parents)

DrP

I don’t understand. If you and your family are vaccinated, what does it matter what others do?

Because vaccination protects populations, and one day you or someone in your family may need that protection because they are old, or very young, or immuno-compromised due to disease or medication.

If lots of people are vaccinated diseases can’t spread as effectively so you and lots of other people are protected.

If you and your family are vaccinated, what does it matter what others do?

As above, vaccines are not 100% effective.

e.g. The CDC rate the MMR vaccine as 97% effective once both doses have been received.

Almost all of the anti-vaxxers that I’ve spoken to think that doctors are in some evil collaboration with the government, aimed at harming children.

Further to the herbal thing, here’s a handy little list of some of the drugs derived from plants:
http://chemistry.about.com/od/medicalhealth/fl/Drugs-from-Plants.htm

As my well qualified biologist wife puts it you can’t engage with them rationally they have heard rational they know the rational science they have decided it is meaningless to them. There is therefore no common language with which to communicate so as with any contagious risk isolate it quarenteen it don’t let infection risk into your home . the last bit is me not my lovely wife.

the anti-vaxxers that I’ve spoken to think that doctors are in some evil collaboration with the government, aimed at harming children.

I’m a doctor and I confirm that this is true! It’s basically what the Hippocrotamus oath says. It’s only because it’s in Latin that people don’t understand we’re all part of an elite network of super villains. Keep it in the QT though.

Secretly vaccinate their children. Then tell them over a mug of homeopathic tea the chemtrails made you do it. They’ll understand

You’ll be known as the Omega man