[Closed] Cwmcarn

got a few questions?

It's short, so plan on a couple of laps. If you cant face the climb twice, use the road and fire roads second time around to get you to the top of Airstream/Freeride area.

Hi. Not sure about cwmcarn village but you will be within 15 mins of Newport city centre and only 5 mins from the spar and a few pubs in Risca.

the visitor centre isn't very good.

As for the trail. It never seems to get wet even when it hammers down. Drains very well. Lovely gentle climb for you to enjoy 🙂

The trails will be wet with some icy sections (locals on here can confirm this), mostly rocky with a few loose patches. Great views from the top of the "climb".

It's short, less than one hour round even for average riders. So multiple laps is a must.

Facilities are pretty poor to be honest, even though im sure someone on here will disagree.

I would drive the 1 hour up the road and ride Afan, that's just me though. It's definatly worth a visit if you've never been before.

Enjoy!

Is there a bike wash at the visitor's centre and can you get grub there?

Yes.

Define "grub"?

Half-decent food?

I'm coming from Hertfordshire for three days at Afan, we were thinking of stopping off for half a day on our way to Afan. Does it beat the Penhyyd then?

Defo worth doing & yes there is plenty of choice for food in Risca & Cross keys villages down the road.

Does it beat the Penhyyd then?

It would be unfair to compare them. They're very different. If anything, Cwmcarn has more in common with the Wall IMHO.

it was defrosted and getting a bit gloppy on sunday

surprisingly grippy though

the cafe only does 'all day' breakfast until midday at weekends, after that the food of choice is sausage, eggs, chips and beans

do not visit the cafe before your second lap, you will not leave

Are they still working out of the portacabin in the carpark? Best take sandwiches if they are 🙂

One of our guys took the club helmet cam there last month, parts of it were looking dry! Have a peek here: [url=

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"less than one hour round even for average riders"

Presumptuous. Haven't been for a couple of years but then the climbing took the best part of 1.5 hours! Now I'm a bit fitter I could probably do a complete round in 1.5 hours.

I think it's one of the better hand-built singletrack climbs going with some worthwhile challenging bits that are far more interesting than the usual gravel roads. The descents didn't seem particularly special, I preferred the stuff at Afan.

Must go again soon tho!

the climb is awesome, as is the last descent.

2 laps on sunday were 1:10 and 1:18 not including stops and i'm not really fit

's short, less than one hour round even for average riders

Average riders won't do it in an hour, especially as the climb is strenuous enough to make most people stop for several breathers. I'd say at least 1.5 hours for average riders. My personal best is 54 minutes and that's really hammering it. 'Course, I'm not an elite athlete or anything but I do ok in Master.

It's way better than Afan IMO - Penhydd was dead boring by comparison. It's technical, rough, fun and damn hard work. And you can do the DH course if you like after the climb, for a bit of variety 🙂

What's the climb like on the DH course? (not using the uplift!)

you can ride up the road or push straight up the hill

you'll only do it once mind

Just remember molgrips, there are no [i]average riders[/i] on here. Everyone is a singlespeeding god*!

*God

2 laps:

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Pub food is reasonable at a pub called The Darran, in Cross Keys. Directions are thus:

At the end of the forrest drive, turn left.
After about .5km, you go over a railway bridge and then down to a set of lights that sit underneath another bridge. Turn left at these.
The Darran is then about 3km down the road on the left, next to a garage. Carparking out front.

The new visitors centre there is a bit of a contentious issue. They knocked the old one down only to replace it with something more or less the same just newer. You will que for ages for food if its busy at lunch time but it is at least warm. They also have showers which are more or less free - you only have to make a voluntary contribution.

Bike wash is the ubiquitous 'ruin your bearings' 100bar jet wash. Pound a go or thereabouts.

The DH course is pretty good if you've not done it before, very fast in anything but the worst weather and all perfectly rollable as long as you take it steady. You can also get single trips up on the lift on the day without having to have booked - this is dependent on availability but you can almost always get at least one lift.

Anyone that can ride the cross country loop in an hour or less is clearly sh**t hot fitness wise and I doth my cap to them.

Anyone who can do the DH in under 3.5 minutes is similarly blessed.

my quickest is 56 mins. I dont think its how quick you get round but whether you clear everything on the climb that is the real challenge. I also like getting up the steep little concrete bit b4 the castle mound.

it's remembering to change down BEFORE you get to that concrete slab that is the key. otherwise you just explode in a cacophony of mashing gears.

mrsmw actually flipped over backwards on that bit after her gears went a bit awry

That steep little concrete bit is the only thing that I'd get rid of - really breaks up the flow.

LOL at average rider doing it in under an hour. I ride CwmCarn a lot and I'd say average riders, as in most real people, do it in 1.5 - 2 hours. It's a short loop but the climb will make or break you and pretty much dictates your time round.

I've never timed myself but I'd fancy having a stab at sub 1 hour "in season"

I can lap it in comfortably in 1:10, never tried a fast lap. under an hour is perfectly reasonable but you need to be fit to do it, the climb is where you get a good time. Also depends on weather, the first bit along the river, and the bit across the top suffer, either wet or wind respectively.

and i hate the concrete ramp as well.

Looks like the basis of a 1hr cwncarn STW Group challenge 🙂 Not that I've every done it in an hour but I'd have a punt at that. Maybe something to arrange in March? Could have a fast lap, rest/lunch/snack social lap?

an hour?

hahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahaah

not me! that climb is monstrous!

but the descent is wonderful!

People ride up that concrete slope??? I thought the sticky uppy rocks along the side were to help you claw your way up 😉

Riding it non-stop is a bit of a waste of playing time imho. The freeride area at the top is easily accessible for another go by looping back up the double track out of the top car park, similarly the alternative x/c twisty track. Also the bottom of the d/h track is worth a couple of sessions too (just ride back up the x/c start as far as the fireroad.

Cwmcarn was superb over xmas really cold but trails were hard packed and rode fast.
All you xc jeyboys timing yourselves on the Twrch is all well and good but the real beauty is to have a good play in the freeride area once you reach the top and bulk up on snacks for the second half of the trail. The descents are fantastic taken at full pelt and you have the option of going back down the top part of the DH run and joining the Twrch further down for the fantastic last section. I rate Cwmcarn prefer it to Afan / Glyncorwg it just needs more uplift options or a cable car and we'd be set

under an hour,
wow impressed!!!!

only timed myself once and 1hr 20mins,
i've never been passed by anyone and only ever pass people,
so would think the average rider should be around that time,

People ride up that concrete slope???

🙂 thats what i used to think. Just select one of your easiest gears and put your chest on the handlebars. Its quite easy really (on a full suss) I think it would be tough to maintain traction with a hardtail. Bet ppl on here have done it though.

under an hour,
wow impressed!!!!

only timed myself once and 1hr 20mins,
i've never been passed by anyone and only ever pass people,
so would think the average rider should be around that time

My average is 1hr and 5 to 1hr10. Best of 56m but i really went for it! I've heard of racing snakes on here doing it in 40-45 mins!!

Getting away from the willy waving, I really wouldn't bother riding Cwmcarn more than once. Then shoot up the road to Afan or GCorrig. Seriously, don't waste your time going round and round.

I like Penhydd, at least the Hidden Valley.

rode it on sunday and yesterday and both days were fairly dry even after the rain on monday, just a few slippery roots on the climb but other than that it's riding well.
jetwash is two quid nowadays, token from centre.
visitors centre is pants imo.
no porta cabin now.
my best lap is between 60-65 mins my average nowadays is around 90 mins but i don't get to ride as much after the wife popped out two sprogs, was just lucky this week to get out twice.

normally do a lap in 1hr 10mins, quickest is 58mins. I think if I remember correctly, the climb takes about half of the lap time. I usually do one lap then stop at the car for a quick bananna and munch bar then do a second lap which I usually find easier up the climb but harder towards the end. There are three or four points on the climb I've never been able to clean, and I love the concrete ramp bit.

I think Oli Beck does CwmCarn in 38 mins... 😯

hardly worth going then

*Waves willy*

I did 3 laps in 2hrs 26 at the BUSA champs in March, think my quickest was 44 mins or something. I'd definitely say under the hour is quick, particularly if you want to enjoy yourself.

The concrete slope is very doable, but it's a proper little barsteward!

I've done the concrete slope only once and that was the last time I went - the new high roller 2.1 62as were feeling nice and sticky and the bike felt much lighter without the Kenda 2.35s and I thought what the hell! Was surprised at how well the bike went up in the end! 😀

The concrete slope's not that hard really, it's smooth and traction's good after all, you just have to set yourself up for it correctly.

Yeah, I'd never tried before for fear of having an SPD-related-incident...

Can I ask, where is this concrete slope that everyone keeps going on about? I have ridden at Cwmcarn many times and cant ever remember going up a concrete slope?
Can you enlighten me?

Matt

Hmmmm, surely you'd know, it's about 10 metres of concrete, 90degree left, and deemed unridably steep to the majority.

Oh, that corner, it's just a 34x34 blast. Whats the fuss about? 😆

Ohh, ok, is that it. I thought when everyone was talking about this unclimbable concrete slope I was missing out on some of the route? Usually glide up that in middle ring!

Matt

Anyone who can do the DH in under 3.5 minutes is similarly blessed.

Arf. Took me 6 minutes last time I tried. Must try harder... Then again that did include me getting off to mince down the drop-in to the second half.

+1 for all those points above btw. It's worth doing two laps so you can do the complete XC first time then take in either the whole DH course or the bottom half - which is way the best bit imo, if you like to practice safe easy air.

What's with the jumps on the FR section tho? Those last three bigger tabletops I can't get more than a few inches off no matter how hard I huck. Something wrong with the profiles I think, they're all worn down.. I've had better results hitting them on one side where they're not so worn.

Problem with the FR section tho is that the Twrch bit that covers the same ground is also very good. Super fast slalom singletrack.

Tried the Cwmcarn DH trail for the first time on Saturday ... Terrifying in places (although it was very wet after heavy rain all night?!?!).

Much preferred the Twrych Trail.

the problem with the FR section jumps is usually the wind

i can clear the first two if i pedal REALLY hard but the third one escapes me, they need to be a bit closer together to pump through them or further apart to get a couple of pedal strokes in.

they aren't particularly good jumps anyway which is a shame. it's the Freeride section, the jumps should be a little bit challenging

Paceman everyone has to start somewhere so good on you for even giving it a go. The first time I ever did it a mate and I pushed up (it was long before the uplift service) in order to recce it beforehand. We'd always thought we were pretty handy on the DH sections but pushing up was massively intimidating. That is until we got to the infamous quarry section where we watched some one launch the 25ft blind gap jump at which point we stopped being intimidated and disolved into gibbering wrecks. Only the fear of loosing face got us down.

Does anyone know what's going on with the Free-ride section? Was there on Saturday and it was closed, with the drops partially dismantled....

Watched Bike Radars Helmet Cam footage of the DH run and looked quite doable on my Five but then I'm aware that things always look easier on Helmet Cam... I think there's nothing for it but to go on a week day when there'd be less school kids on Kona HTs kicking my ass and laughing at me :-X

Gary I know you were only joking but really it's not like that. You get a lot of people of very mixed ability on the course and almost everyone else will be feelng as nervous as you. Book on the uplift and get Daryl to talk you through the course on the way up. You'll feel a ton more confident and you'll have a blast. Really the course is not too bad as long as you don't hit anything at Mach 4!

I believe mojo sponsored rider & personal friend anthony oboyle has the quickest lap time of 36mins, 17seconds. a few weeks ago the trail was summer like bone dry & I managed a 44min lap.
I notice a few people have mentioned cwmcarn is only worth 1 lap, then a trip to afan is in order. I've ridden cwmcarn & beyond since 1985 & theres a mass of unknown trails in & around the greater area. I take out guided rides for all abilities, contact me if you're interested 🙂

Michael, you need to get your arse to Brechfa if you like those table top jumps, and there is a section which you can easily go miles on, very good for practicing/scaring yourself.

Scant - not able to go out for a while but I've got a whole hoard of Bristol riders who love CwmCarn (40mins burn down the M4 baby and great fun to ride at night!) who'd love to go out and see what else is out there. Will deffo take you up on that offer in the spring or something if that's ok!

The people I'll bring would generally have no issue with two laps for the record - most would do 3 if there was a bribe of tea and cake actually...

Sounds good about the DH run, I've got some long weekends coming up towards end of March so might well give an uplift day a go on a Friday or something...

I must be one of the blessed ones for the DH, I managed a 3.32 at the last Dragons, with a couple of taped off lines & finish in the car park 😀

The DH is a good introduction to that aspect of riding. Nothing on the track isn't rollable, the track rides well in all weathers & it only starts to get hard the faster you push.

Gary, no probs, look me up 🙂