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  • legend
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    squirrelking – Member
    Nice to see people can make light of what could be another night of violence and bloodshed. Stay classy.
    As I said and turned out to be correct; sixty casualties, mostly civilians.
    Bloody hilarious.
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    Go you. Not sure if looking glum about crap that’s happening every other day helps though.

    allthegear
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    Hmm – I’m near the Turkish border on my motorbike, trying to decide what to do. Looks like I’ll be hanging out here for a couple of days to see how the situation develops.

    Rachel

    bikebouy
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    Make your own mind up but all reports here are saying it’s over, expect minor skirmishes.

    zippykona
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    allthegear – Member
    Hmm – I’m near the Turkish border on my motorbike, trying to decide what to do. Looks like I’ll be hanging out here for a couple of days to see how the situation develops.

    Feel free to start a let’s see your motorbike travel photo thread.

    yunki
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    Zero to all out civil war in less than 24 hours

    now everyones trying to work out who is on whos side.

    that’s pretty much the outcome of trying to overthrow any government n’est pas?

    every side always seems to assume that they are more popular than they are

    jambalaya
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    Hmm – I’m near the Turkish border on my motorbike, trying to decide what to do. Looks like I’ll be hanging out here for a couple of days to see how the situation develops.

    Would suggest staying put obviously. Friends in Club Med have been told to stay in the hotel/resort by local and French governments.

    Looks like the coup is going to fail. 10th attempt in 60 years I read.

    wrecker
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    Deputy PM Müezzino?lu says gov’t will discuss bringing back death penalty for coup plotters.

    😐

    Xylene
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    I wonder if they went to Mark Thatcher for advice?

    huckleberryfatt
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    gov’t will discuss bringing back death penalty for coup plotters

    Turkey’s ratified Protocol No 13 to the Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms, concerning the abolition of the death penalty in all circumstances – interesting times ahead at the COE <sigh>

    squirrelking
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    Go you. Not sure if looking glum about crap that’s happening every other day helps though.

    Yeah I guess.

    Riddle me this where’s a Nice place to go for a beach holiday that may not be so nice?

    Hohohoho

    Yeah people dying is pretty bloody funny, how about a car bomb joke revival, they’ve kinda died a death since the IRA downed tools huh?

    Upbeat enough for you? Or pretty bloody distasteful/disrespectful?

    jambalaya
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    Worth noting that it was only in 1974 that democracy was established in Portugal affer a military coup

    Looks very much like the coup is coming to an end

    ernie_lynch
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    Worth noting that it was only in 1974 that democracy was established in Portugal affer a military coup

    What’s worth noting about it ?

    Turkey is nothing like Portugal in 1974, for a start Turkey isn’t a dictatorship – it’s governed by a party which very easily won the last general and presidential elections with increased support.

    I think you’re getting carried away with your support for coups to make the suggestion of a similarity between Portugal 1974 and Turkey 2016.

    cranberry
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    it’s governed by a party which very easily won the last general and presidential elections with increased support.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/02/turkeys-elections-campaign-unfair-say-international-monitors

    jambalaya
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    That democracy in certain countries is much more recent than many realise. Erdogen is trying to turn Turkey into a much more fundamentalist country, one with him in charge and much less democratic. He is taking the country on a journey to being a dictatorship

    I assume you followed the elections and the crackdown on the press, facebook, twitter etc

    mefty
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    Reports of lynching of soldiers who took part in coup and one beheading.

    Coups succeed because of apathy, as soon as people came onto the streets it was likely to fail.

    ernie_lynch
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    No one is claiming that Erdogan is some sort of liberal and not autocratic, but the Turkish government has clearly been elected. And by a margin wide – 50% of the vote, twice that of its nearest rival, that even with reports of violence and intimidation the mandate isn’t disputable.

    The US president urged “support for the democratically elected civilian government.” Which it obviously is, however flawed its democratic process might be.

    There is no comparison with Portugal 1974.

    Tom_W1987
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    This wasn’t even a secularist coup was it, but infighting between Islamists (Gulen and Erdogan). That’s why it failed, they didn’t have the support of anyone.

    So it would appear that when our parties engage in infighting, they call each other names – when Islamists do it they start killing each other with cobra gunships and tanks at the first sign of trouble.

    Yeah, puts the fallout from Brexit in perspective.

    deadkenny
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    From what I was hearing of their statement they forced a news presenter at gunpoint to announce, they objected to secular democracy. That smacks of a group wanting a strict religious order in control. Turkey then becomes an extension of Syria, Iraq and Iran.

    cyclelife
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    Which is what Erdogan wants as well, a return to the Ottoman empire.

    The secularists condemned the coup, so it does look like infighting between the crazies.

    seosamh77
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    It’s all a bit too easy this coup. I wonder if it’s all a cunning plan to get rid of certain elements.

    Surely it can’t that possible to misjudge the mood of the people, so much?

    I reckon some people have been played the fool, big time.

    somafunk
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    As others have mentioned it’s the perfect scenario for Erdogan to push through his agenda and i wouldn’t be surprised if he knew about it beforehand, all to convenient for a mass cull of judges and those opposed to his policy

    darrell
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    it was a staged coup

    even the Guardian are suggesting this

    jambalaya
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    Staged. 160 dead ? That would be pretty cynical even for Erdogan.

    Its going to be very messy now and devastating for tourism, I’m struggling to think it was staged.

    Friends are stuck as no flights for them back today. Strange extra day or two’s holiday

    darrell
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    dont we have a resident conspiracy theory specialist to tell us the truth

    Tom_W1987
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    IF it was staged, it won’t have been directly staged, Erdogan wil have prodded the right people and planted false intelligence with the right people to convince them to try it.

    I think they were Gullens supporters, we know that Islamism gives people the justification to kill easily, I suspect Erdogan knew they were upto something and prodded them into it. That or Erdogan and Gullen are working together again.

    Why is it stranger to kill to depose someone, than to consolidate power?

    squirrelking
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    Tom, you are a complete fanny. I don’t think I even have to point out why.

    Tom_W1987
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleiwitz_incident

    It has historical precedent doesn’t it?

    I think that Erdogan is repugnant enough to kill hundreds to further his own goals. I wouldn’t normally think such thoughts, but he’s up there with Pinochet and Tito for general nastiness.

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