Contador – Giro

baxter and contador are not similiar. Baxtor used a product that is fine to use here but the US version had a banned substance and he could prove this
Contador ate some imported beef and he has all the evidence that repeating the sentence can provide.

His sample contained a trace amount of methamphetamine – albeit the inactive levorotary isomer of methamphetamine – levomethamphetamine (aka levMethamphetamine), an isomer with no significant stimulant properties……

Baxter was able to confirm later that the trace had originated from a Vicks inhaler bought in the United States. He had been unaware that the contents were different from those found in the UK version. The International Ski Federation accepted his explanation and banned him for the minimum of 3 months.

Hmmm where did I read the Clebuterol issue was perhaps more related to how he ingested it, rather than via dodgy Spanish beef (not that he upset the Spanish beef producers claiming it was them) but perhaps that the blood it was in was contained in a bag (similar to a Camelbak bladder)…

So the suggestion was that he used it to train and that a tiny amount was left in his blood when it was removed from his body, which was not the rest day in the TDF 2010.

The fact that he started off with Manolo Saiz / Once from the age of 16 would have no relationship to his propensity to dope 😯

Baxter was able to confirm later that the trace had originated from a Vicks inhaler bought in the United States. He had been unaware that the contents were different from those found in the UK version. The International Ski Federation accepted his explanation and banned him for the minimum of 3 months.

Now that’s a handy excuse, ideal masking agent?

I don’t think anyone questioned Baxters excuse. He still got banned and still lost his medal under strict liablity .

yes he used a banned substance to mask the banned substances he was taking 🙄

His story is irrelevant. Strict liability should apply as it does in every other sport.

This list will support TJ in every aspect that strict liability applies to all sports and under no circumstances have mistakes been made, especially not by anyone here.

Lol @ DS’s list – whose argument is that shite supporting ?!

cocaine, moi ? good lord no, though I did lick some birds nostrils in a nightclub 🙄

I once touched a lady’s bottom in a nightclub. 😮

It’s ok though, because she let me. 🙂

she only let you ‘cos you told her you were famous, I bet

don – you may want contador to be innocent but he is not

Non of those listed are comparable apart from the pakistani cricketers and ev en they were found guilty and pardoned later.

Strict liability applies in drug testing – that is it does not matter how it got in your system if it is in there you are guilty of doping.

Contadoer had clembutarol in his system. No techincal irregularities in the testing. Procedures followed properly. He should be serving a ban by the rules.

It just shows how soft cycling and the spanish federation are on doping. The spanish federation have previous as well.

she only let you ‘cos you told her you were famous, I bet

Oh dear. I think I’m going to need a superinjunction… 😳

don’t tell anyone but I told some burd I was Ryan Giggs a while back

DS that list is poor if it proves anything it is that other sports are also culpable of letting stars off and doing tests badly.
Ps my fav was the snow boarder cleared of dope smoking as it was not on the banned list at the time.
I note there is a cleared cyclist who was found guilty of the same substance who then produced a medical certificate to explain his test result. So I await his Drs note then.
Is there a similar one with a vague claim about contaminated meat not substantiated by any other corroborating evidence anywhere?
I also wish he was clean and I am not fully sure of why it was there tbh but his excuse is piss poor and not very believable IMHO. If he could produce credible evidence he could get a reduced ban but no ban seems kind to the point of ignoring the rules.

don – you may want contador to be innocent but he is not

And the bit where I said innocent until proven guilty and it is CAS and not wee little internet chappie who’ll prove him guilty, and that’ll I will accept the ruling. You on the other hand can only see guilt and will still scream guilty if CAS find him innocent.

tbh but his excuse is piss poor and not very believable IMHO.

Unfortunately you’d need to be aware of how the farmers operate here, and inspite of TJ’s superior knowledge he doesn’t know what goes on here. Clenbuterol being fed to animals, based on personal experience, is plausible. Again sending staff out across the border to Spain is plausible, are you aware of how the Spanish love Spanish food. Forgetting which butchers and not having the food checked is a little dubious. Trust me I probably know the Spainsh, and members of the Spanish Federación, a bit better than TJ and am not talking about things naïvely.
This I think has only been done 2 or 3 thousand times. TJ has convinced himself without any facts and will probably spout all types of shite if Alberto gets a ban about how he knew all along. He will also choose to select which bits of my posts he wants to use for best effect, strange really as on other threads he’ll completely ignore me, which is no bad thing… 😈

Don – he failed a drug test. He is guilty. That is a fact. He had clembuterol in his body therefore he is guilty.

You cannot get away from this. it is not unsubstanciated allegations it is a fact. He failed a drug test.

~What about this says to you he is innocent until proven guilty – he has been proven guilty of having clembuterol in his body.

are you aware of how the Spanish love Spanish food.

I am! 😀

I’ve known a fair few Spains, and they do like their proper Spainish grub, it has to be said. They’ll bring suitcases full of foodstuffs of back over with them when they come back from trips home. Chorizo, Jamon, cheese, olive oil, tins of squid, octopus etc, all sorts. All of it positively dripping with Glen Butronol. Possibly.

Trust me I probably know the Spainsh, and members of the Spanish Federación, a bit better than TJ

Don Simon lives in Sapin. So this is probbly true, TJ.

TBh, TJ hazzunt really provided any proper evidence type stuff against Contador, and clearly has an agenda against the poor lad.

Here he is, with not one, but two pretty ladies kissing him. Whilst looking mockingly at TJ.

Elf – contador failed a drug test. There is no doubt about this.

Look at him mocking you, TJ.

Because he knows he’s better than you.

I am prettier than him

TJ has convinced himself without any facts

yes the failed drug test is not a fact and when you compare it to the Spanish love of their food and inability to prove the given account I can see why you mock his view.
I am glad you know the Spanish authorities and can speak knowledgeably about Spanish farmers …is he calling you as a witness with your evidence?

Glen Butronol

I thought it was just the japanese that made fake whisky – no wonder TJ’s pissed off

~What about this says to you he is innocent until proven guilty – he has been proven guilty of having clembuterol in his body.

Erm… Let me think on this one…. I know… I’ll get it in a minute…. Bear with me… It’s on the tip of my tongue… No, no don’t help me…

Is it because he’s still racing and NOT actually banned?

He is not banned because the spanish authorities broke the rules not to ban him hence it is going to the international body where he will be banned.

There is no defence. he had clembuterol in his body he is guilty.

I don’t know why you find this so hard to understand.

Wether he was banned or not has no bearing on the fact that he is guilty of having clembuterol in his body.

I am prettier than him

No you’re not.

Here he is, pointing and laughing at you for not wearing a helmet:

It’s not a court of law, it’s rules of sport of a governing body. He tested positive so is guilty. Under normal procedures he would be banned, and it would then be up to him to prove his innocence to overturn the ban. It’s the fact the Spanish Federation aren’t following the procedures they’re required to under UCI/WADA/IOC rules that it’s been referred to CAS who will likely again force the Spanish Federation to follow rules.

For the same reasons you can not understand that if he is allowed to race then nothing wrong has been done. He does not get a ban if he can show that there is a reasonable explanation regarding the Clenbuterol in the body, the RFEC were satisfied, all legal and above board. CAS have the right to appeal, and are and if they agree with the story-No ban. Why can’t you understand that?

The RFEC came to that decision by not following the rules they are required to abide by, which is why it’s gone to CAS. This is why UCI/WADA referred it to CAS. It was not RFEC’s role to decide whether his explanation was reasonable, they should have banned him. Contador then could have appealed and made his case. Them’s the rules. They broke them, and could be facing expulsion from the IOC before long because of it.

They broke them, and could be facing expulsion from the IOC before long because of it.

Not seen that, links?

Because it is not right. You don’t understand the rules. It does not matter how the clembuterol got into his body under WADA rules he is guilty and must be banned. Accidental ingestion gets him a short ban not the 2 years that he gets for deliberate.

Teh spanish federation are in breach of WADA regulations. Article 9 and 10 especailly

I suggest you read the WADA regs
http://www.wada-ama.org/rtecontent/document/code_v3.pdf

It was on links from Bikeradar Pro Race forum. The Spanish Federation’s inability to follow procedures with regards Valverde and Contador and other cases/investigations were causing rumblings.

He does not get a ban if he can show that there is a reasonable explanation regarding the Clenbuterol in the body

Nope – that’s not the rules. Hence why Baxter was banned.

CAS … if they agree with the story-No ban

Even if they believe the story (for which there is what evidence?) I’d be very surprised by that.

Why can’t you understand that the only reason he isn’t banned is because the rules haven’t been followed, not because he’s innocent? I’m quite confident that you’ll shortly find that Contador only has 2 TdF wins (and those only because they didn’t catch him).

For the same reasons you can not understand that if he is allowed to race then nothing wrong has been done.

You are missing the point all we have now is him and the decision makers breaking the rules. If this constitutes innocence to you then no amount of logic is going to sway you. He did have the drug in his bodyand the relevant authorities did not enforce the rules properly.
None of this is actually debatable it it is what happened and CAS will almost certainly find him guilty.

… and the Giro organisers will be in the farcical situation of stripping the overall winner of his Maglia Rosa a couple of weeks after winning it. They didn’t want him there precisely because of this.

None of this is actually debatable it it is what happened and CAS will almost certainly find him guilty.

And I will repeat for the umpteenth time, if/when CAS find him guilty I will accept it and not before.

TJ, point ne to the bit you want me to read. please?

Don Simon, you’re not FrenchFighter on the bikeradar forum are you?

Don Simon, you’re not FrenchFighter on the bikeradar forum are you?

Err, no. Why?

Article 9 and 10. its very clear. Strict liability applies. 10.5.2 especaillly

unfortuatly you cannot copy and paste off it.

However to paraphrase if a test is failed then disqualification is automatic. article 9
10.5.2 if they have no significant fault or negligence then bans can be reduced

GUILTY. The dope was in his system ergo he should be banned. Whether it was intentional or not is yet to be proved. Those are the rules, it’s really quite simple.

Elf – he’s short & not that good looking but hey maybe short ugly blokes are your type.. 😉

A poster there that similarly has defended Contador against the same arguments. Sorry, my mistake.

Elf – he’s short & not that good looking

He’s better looking than you. As many women will testify.

Let’s have a look at your mug then. Come on.

And what’s wrong with being short? Prince is short, and he’s way sexier than you. And so am I.