[Closed] Buying a pub in the peaks

is it on kinder ?

Yes, fastest way to bankruptcy apart from a very expensive drug habit or betting on slow horses.

Yes if there isn't much riding, no if there is. Dove and Manifold valleys, for example, it would be a bad idea just focus on the tourists.

Yes, you would - we're cheap, can't drink much (cause we'd fall off), and would cover the place in mud.

On the other hand, buying a pub in the peaks may not be a bad idea! 🙂

It's near the hope valley... so good riding yes.

I reckon i could attract some guests and have a few ideas on how to promote it.

Hmmmmm...

For a free pint I'd bring pootles past. And we generally have 20-30 people.

Good food would be on the top of my list.
After a ride I could eat a goat.

Could work but I'd suggest opening your doors to dog owners, walkers etc.

Hmmm. Pubs are dying, in the traditional sense. Pubs that do food might be a goer, but what about the Monday to Friday dead time? Will you sell many meals to sweaty mountain bikers, and will said mountain bikers encourage or put off 'normal' folk?

...and no one drinks and drives anymore, so what's the mark up on J2O?

I'm not trying to wee in your shoes, but....

You need to be as good as the Cheshire Cheese for food.

Good food - yep can do that
walkers - welcome
dogs - welcome
other tourists - yep plenty of them
week days - tricky: corporate/business clients for team building/training, special nights e.g curry night, free food e.g. sandwiches for local clubs ride... don't want to give too much away:)

oh used to be a chef and worked in a restaurant with a Michelin star too;)

[i]oh used to be a chef and worked in a restaurant with a Michelin star too;)[/i]

Big whoopy wow.

Good luck cos you'll need it.

oh used to be a chef and worked in a restaurant with a Michelin star too;)

But do you have customer focused skills,are you chatty and freindly or just scream at sausepans,like a lot of shefs.

Most tourist pubs only do well at wekends so what to do for the rest of the week.

oh and i ride a bike with 2 michelin tyres,
lol.

Add in some hostel-style bed and breakfasts, secure bike storage, etc. And you might be onto something.

Basically, make the Dales Bike Centre but with a bar and in the Peak...

Busloads of OAPs are queuing out the door in Castleton alehouses whenever I've been there. Admittedly they're queuing for half a mild and a glass of tap water for the afternoon, but the market is there.

Guess it would come down to location, as ever. There's an alehouse near me in S Manchester that could do very well if someone with two brain cells got hold of it and was prepared to sweep out the dross. So I'm sure these sort of anomalies must exist in the Peak District.

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Yep customer focused: friendly, good host and have can create good /hearty Big whoopy wow menus.

I guess what i am asking is do you think the peaks be a good place for a mountain bike resort type hotel?

yes

A Michelin Star Chef in the valley?
I hope it's my local.

Can't see the bike crowd alone keeping you solvent, but pubs that do good food, good beer and are pleasant to be in seem to fair OK. Tennants seem to have it doubly hard/near impossible. Two good pubs that I use are being given up by their current Landlords due ever increasing and ridiculous rents demanded by greedy pub companies.

Yep dales bike centre with a bar it what i am going for just need half a million to buy it:)

Thanks for all the input, didn't mean to out rage anyone with my Michelin comment by the way just prove that i have some skills in the kitchen;)

...and no one drinks and drives anymore, so what's the mark up on J2O?

More than the markup on an average pint.

And soft drinks from the mixer are even more than that.

But people only have one J2O....

Ah just twigged on which pub 🙂

If the food is proper food and not that pre-prepared microwave bag 5hite. Doesn't have to be Michelin star just good homemade fare. Is b&b a possibility? If you could do b&b I would say go for it.

yeah good home cooked food, nothing pretentious. B&B with dorms, doubles twins & singles.

Right decision made, i am going to buy it thanks imbred456!

Ignore me.

crikey - Member
But people only have one J2O....

Very true.

Unless you have one driver and a few others having a few drinks maybe ?

But agreed, it's not the most profitable type of customer.

Would you allow support vehicles on the car park?

Imagine being this ---> <---- far away from good riding, but not having any time to ride as you are working all the time and can't afford a manager.

I grew up in a pub - my dad used to work 60 hours Thurs-Sun.* He got Wed afternoon and evening off though.

* that was without doing B&B - you'll be the last to bed and the first up, every day.

Was in Malham recently (yes i know different part of englandshire) two pubs, one doing a roaring trade and the other was a bit "chrome and beechwood".

Just make sure its got more showers than the place over the road!

I think the mix of dorms and traditional B&B rooms would be a good idea, catering for everyone from groups looking for cheap beds (like us), to couples out for riding/walking weekends.

Have a word with my bro, ciderinsport off of here, after Mayhem - he's an ex-publican.

And thanks for an excellent weekend last month! Look forward to trying the pub next year 🙂

Was in Malham recently (yes i know different part of englandshire) two pubs, one doing a roaring trade and the other was a bit "chrome and beechwood".

The Lister Arms and the Buck Inn respectively?

🙂

onehundredthidiot - Member

Was in Malham recently (yes i know different part of englandshire) two pubs, one doing a roaring trade and the other was a bit "chrome and beechwood".

The chrome and beechwood one would be the one that complained when 10 of us turned up for breakfast 15 minutes before they were ready. We didn't return the following day.

A good start would be to use the correct name for the region. Its The Peak district OR Dark Peak but never the Peaks.

Cheshire cheese is the most MTBer and walker unfriendly pub on the planet.

too risky for me

Are you buying freehold or leasehold, if leasehold who's it with, or is a a beacon promotion, what are you tied to buying, what's the footage space compared to table space. Where was it that had the star ?

40mpg YES! Thanks for your kind words

And thanks for an excellent weekend last month! Look forward to trying the pub next year

Folk music (just a small 4 piece) to play and other live music / open mic is a good call.

The 3 stags head is the most unassuming pub in the region but is rather good.

Yeah malham comment sums it up.

One of the most visited places in t'dales (sorry simon!) both pubs should be rammed but one is obviously Sh1te or missing trick. I will investigate next time i am there (6th July - anybody fancy a ride or pint[best have 2 one in each]?)

Old Hill Inn @ chapel-le-dale has a folk band in one night i was there - awesome night!!!

looking at freehold.

Well I wouldn't give up a good career to get into it .Lots of boring repetitive tasks to do , lots of boring people to talk to , long hours , minimal rewards , minimal spare time , high risk of marriage/relationship failure , high risk of ill health .

I have been a chef in a 2 michelin starred restaurant and done what you are proposing to do , although not in the peak district . I hated it if you couldn't tell .

Go to a publicans forum not a bike forum for advice about opening a pub .

Q - How do you make a small fortune in the pub trade?

A - Start off with a large fortune...

Surely the trick here is to buy it, work your balls off for three years to make it good and then sell at an increased price?

i can trump that 3 michelin stars and flock wall paper.. i did a smashing pot noodle and cuppa soup that was much sought after as was my eggy bread ( proper chefs food)..

Are you planning accommodation? Peaks (just to annoy the pedants) was made a national park for the very reason that it is bang central for millions of homes. Maybe not so popular year round for weekend stays etc as people day trip it. No evidence to support that - just a thought. You ever been to Hope on a cold, wet Tuesday in November?

Also, as evidenced on here and indeed in Hope every weekend, mtb'ers are generally tight wads - reluctant to pay for parking yet alone meals out / accommodation.

Maybe just open Thursday - Sunday and save on staff bills? Micro-brewery might give you a unique appeal...

Would you do pub food or michelin star food and be more like a restaurant?

Accommodation = field for tents and lockable bike storage? I'd pay you a visit f'sure.

Take a look at the Clachaig Inn, Glencoe to see what a destination pub looks like. Good choice of real ale, live music at the weekends, a walkers bar with slate floor and real fire. Would seem like a good start?

It would help if you are in close proximity to a couple of local campsites, or perhaps a YHA? This could provide much needed traffic throughout the season.

Top this with good, honest food and you'd be onto a winner. If you are trying to attract mountain bikers then the food should be tasty, generous and simple. Avoid any sort of pre-prepared food like the plaugue - it's always a massive dissapointment to order a sticky toffee pudding only to find out that it's one of those pre-packaged things that's been stuck in a microwave.

Get known for a signature dish - perhaps a big bowl of homemade chilli, perhaps the best burger in the peak district, perhaps a fantastic shepherds pie. Basically something that's unique and legendary enough that people will tell their mates about it and keep coming back for more.

Limit the menu to around 10 dishes and perhaps a couple of specials that change regularly. I sound like Gordon Ramsey now. Seriously, I'd far rather go to a place where the time was spent to get a small selection of dishes 'just right' than somewhere that tries to do everything under the sun, but all are a bit mediocre. Also unless you can make a curry as well as your local Indian, best avoid. If I want a curry I'll go to an Indian, good pub food then I'll go to a pub.

Secure bike parking is a must. You get some bikers who will not want to let their bikes out of their sight so that should be considered. Perhaps you could set us a service point? Have a bike mechanic as a barman. That way bikes could be fixed or washed for riders at the end of a day. If someone offered to clean my bike for a fiver whilst I'm tucked up warm with a pint then that would be good by me. Someone having their bike repaired is a captive market for food and drink. The longer the repair takes, the more coffee they will drink.

Consider offering guided rides and make up your own local routecards that start and end from near the pub.

Employ people with the right attitude. Someone who is always smiley, friendly and helpful is always a better bet than an expert waiter who's miserable. Bar and waiting skills can be trained - the right attitude, well you either have it or you don't.

Hope this helps?

Rebel12 it's like you have seen my business plan!

Yeah agree with everything you have said: narrow menu of great home cooked food, local guides employed as bar staff, hook up with a local bike shop to offer late night repairs/opening (or have some spare at the pub), secure bike lock with anchor points in the ground, guided rides and route cards from the pub.

My mate raves about the Clachaig Inn, think that's the benchmark!

There is a variety of punters out there some have money and are happy to spend other have money and are not happy to spend. The rest don't have money.

Thanks for the feedback.

Edric64 - homecooked local produce, maybe 5 mains on the menu, sharing plates and 5 desserts. Lots of good ale too!

cb... yeah micro brewery great idea!

Agree loads of cities/towns around the park so might not aim the venue at them.

Good feedback, thanks.

Ramsey Neil - where did you try it?

Would you be able to spare some time to chat about it with me?

I really like the idea about havine a couple of different route cards. If I can go from the door of the pub on a nice ride that finishes back there then im much more likely to end the ride with a pint and some food than if I have to get in the car and drive somewhere first.

Big sharing plates and proper beers are top of my list post ride so sounds like you could be on to a winner, especially when you combine that with the cracking riding around that part of the world!

Hope it works out for you and keep us posted on any progress!

If you can do simple bar/pub food on one side and fancy michelin starred restaurant food in the other and the kitchen can cope then you can tap into two markets thereby increasing trade.

One of my favourite pubs always kept it simple with the food it offered as lunchtime and evening. It wasn't posh at all but it was good. They had a 'in the pot' daily special of some stew served with some bread that was very cheap and not too big. Too many pubs seem to justify inflated prices with huge portions. If you are catering for active people in the day eill they want a GIANT plate and a pregnant food feeling to set them up for the rest of the ride/hike.

Can you get a micro-brewery going as that really makes a difference in the Lakes - Watermill @ Ings and the Drunken Duck at Barngates near Hawkshead both do well, although the Duck is seriously posh and a real destination pub.

Also consider splitting the bar - perhaps a more rough and ready area (but still warm and cosy) area for bikers, and perhaps a more family orientated area for day to day traffic. That way you can cater to both markets. The bikers get their den of sin, filled with bike porn (magazines and inspirational photos) and the tourists are not put off by smelly, muddy bikers.

Yeah a bikers and family room would work - good idea.

Think we will just have one menu at sensible prices.

[i]Take a look at the Clachaig Inn, Glencoe to see what a destination pub looks like. Good choice of real ale, live music at the weekends, a walkers bar with slate floor and real fire. Would seem like a good start?[/i]

But that has little/no competition and has been like that for over 30 years (from personal recollection), and unlike The Peaks, very difficult for most people to just pack up the car and be home in an hour.

tbh I'd do it with someone-elses' money, but not mine... For a business plan work on no income Mon-Thu?

Wish you success.

Decent pub with car park near Peak riding with real ale and food = we'd use it to park at then come back for ale and food.

That's how our rides usually work 🙂 Non of that cake 'n' coffee bollox some writers in the mag are always going on about....!

If it was in Castleton yes. Anywhere else no.

Edric64 - homecooked local produce, maybe 5 mains on the menu, sharing plates and 5 desserts. Lots of good ale too!

Thank god for that .you want to run a pub as a pub.To many try to be something they are not in the food line and real ale to ,great.

A cautionary tale

Some Very Good Friends of hours bought a pub 6 years ago and sold it last year. During that time the business was very busy, great food trade and a steady wet trade (no accommodation), they worked 6am to midnight 6 days a week, and on the seventh (tuesday in their case) they had the morning off and did the accounts, so just midday to midnight Tuesdays. They got by, managed to pay their staff and got out with only £50K more debt than they went in with.

He put on weight, his health suffered, she nearly died from a combination of stress induced heart issues, they never socialised - just hosted, rarely saw their friends other than as customers.

They enjoyed the experience to start with but it soon ground them down.

Just be sure it is what you want to do.

Anybody got a happy ending story to counter that?

(I have - [url= http://www.thekinmelarms.co.uk/ ]sucess[/url])

Petefile/Richtea

Those are them. Buck Inn everytime, good beers too. Ran out of rabbit pie which was bloody lovely. Good chat and dogs under the table. Everything a pub should be.

If this is in the Hope valley then I would say the area is crying out for something like this. If it is within pedalling distance of Sheffield then even better.

The area is really lacking in a decent post ride/walk pub (I'm sure people will now list loads though) that does decent beer, is reasonably priced and isn't just there to fleece toruists and day trippers who don't venture more than 5 mins from their car. (Cheshire Cheese anyone?)

I'd certainly go and I live in the area.

But it needs to be done properly to survive and eventually thrive. I would say;
-Don't be too bikey. You don't want to appear to be cliquey as I'd want to go to a place like this with my family after a walk, maybe for a beer with non bikey mates or after a full on mud fest epic in the peak. (Maybe even in lycra after a ride with some roadies! 8O)
- Think decent pub, but very bike friendly, rather than [url= http://www.lookmumnohands.com/ ]Look Mum No Hands[/url] in the peak
-Go look at the Cricket Inn and the Inn at Troway for pubs that people will drive to in the area for some inspiration. They are full mid week as well.
-Thornbridge Ales, nom nom nom.

Pub AND microbrewery? You won't have time to sleep - just use a local quality brewer.
The TyG does ok despite dodgy plumbing and road noise because the food & beer is good and the location is perfect. Something similar in the Peak should work.
The clincher for me would be being able to see my bike. If I can see it I'll be there for lunch and three or four pints, if not, I'll keep riding.

Look mum no hands sold lush muffins at the handmade bike show in Brizzle though

It sounds Ace and I'd go. Most MTB'ers are easy to please with some good food and Ale. We go back to the Yorkshire Bridge quite often, freindly staff goes along way to a return visit!

However, I think unless you intend to put a manager in place and be happy to let him or her take the reigns you will working you fingers to the bone day in and day out. Unfortunately that is the reality of the business.

Good luck, give it some serious thought!

Buy it outright if you can to stop the tied brewery killing your margins.

Yep be happy to put a manger in while i open up another hotel/pub once i have hit on the successful formula . Dip in from time to time when we have big promotions on.

Think a free house and local brew is the best option tbh.

I know nothing about the pub trade apart from drinking and eating in them! But...

If your planning on putting in anchor points, are you also providing some locks? Call me lazy, but I hardly ever want to carry a decent hefty lock on a ride with me. Small things.

Yeah lets have locks as well. Give the customers what they want

Bike wash and lube bar

Have a look at the 3 stags heads, in wardlow mires - doesn't much like bikers but..

Has a camp site next door, has fires, has good beer and good big plates of local food.

Also closes mon-thurs as there is not enough passing trade.

Also knows that tourists come and go but you need locals to pay the bills.

Best pub in the Peak, bar none

Please, before you go any further and start specifying what sort of paint you are going to use on the helicopter landing pad, talk to some ( ex ) publicans.

Good chat and dogs under the table

Could be a childs' [s]face[/s] feet next time 👿

Best of luck mrchrist - most of my working life has been in catering (up until about ten years ago) and it's fahookin hard work, as you know. My mum and stepdad bought a house with three [url= http://www.isleofskyecottages.co.uk ]self catering cottages on Skye[/url] a while ago. They're both supposed to be retired but they never stop. There's always something to be fixed or improved, or a new marketing angle to work at.

Keep us updated!