Boris Johnson!

There’s a variety of opinions on here. If you can’t see that you need to read a bit more carefully. Just trying to shut down challenging views by disparaging or insulting suggests a rather sad sort of conservative empty headedness.
Go on, do yourself a favour and find some evidence, an argument or a joke to engage or amuse people with.

Why is the Mail still supporting Johnson with a front page blaming the Party for making a grave mistake in outing him

Three random facts:
PMs when they leave office get a Resignation Honours list.
Dacre apparently really, really wants a Lordship or even just a knighthood.
Dacre has the mail dancing to his tune again.

The debate on whether the UK should be in the EU is over.

Don’t be silly. Inflation is running at a thirty year high. You can’t afford the energy bill this winter and prices are changing weekly, but your neighbour can buy a new car, enjoy an excellent Health health service and is not seeing their food bill climb. Your neighbour is in the EEA. Give it another year.

Sovereignty sells but you can’t eat it.

This ‘care taker’ cabinet is as bent as Boris’ previous cabinet. I’m currently listening to James Cleverley on R4 continuously not answer questions, he simply won’t answer the questions put to him. Oh but guess what, the only question he did answer was that he thinks Boris & Carrie’s wedding party at Chequers on 30th July should be allowed to go ahead…

This ‘care taker’ cabinet is as bent as Boris’ previous cabinet.

Not a surprise really. Anyone with any dignity and honour should refuse and be trying to get him out immediately.

the only question he did answer was that he thinks Boris & Carrie’s wedding party at Chequers on 30th July should be allowed to go ahead

I dont have a problem with that. Replace him now and let him visit for the weekend.

Do we think Johnson will stand down as an MP at the next GE?

Yep. Of course he will, the idea of being a constituency MP would fill him with horror.

Yep. Of course he will, the idea of being a constituency MP would fill him with horror.

Whilst I suspect he will I am not sure it does. Doing the job properly would but thats never been something he has let get in the way of things.

I couldn’t give a monkeys if brexit caused the greatest catastrophic collapse of the British economy in history. The debate on whether the UK should be in the EU is over.

I very rarely rise to trolls but that statement is just complete and utter bollocks.

And claiming that food banks are the result of brexit and people’s “attitude to foreigners” isn’t trolling?

I realise the futility of asking Remain fanatics to stop blaming everything on brexit, that is clearly my never going to happen. And on the plus side it further alienates them from voters – even Tony Blair recognises this.

But it is nevertheless sometimes hard to resist blatant nonsense.

Food banks have nothing to do with the state of the economy. You can have massive levels of unemployment and yet have no network of food banks. As indeed happened in the 1980s.

The use of food banks shot massively after 2010. This was not the result of a sudden change in the state of the economy (the great global financial crisis occurred 2007-8) but the result of a sudden change in government.

The new government decided to impose austerity on the British people, something which EU membership didn’t stop. As a consequence Tory and LibDem politicians had to find new and imaginative ways of reducing the benefits bill. The result of this was to drive desperate people, hungry people, to the food banks.

Punitive government sanctions are not dependant on being outside the EU. You can force ill people to look for work, or stop payments to someone who arrives 10 minutes late for their interview at the job centre, whilst still being a EU member state.

It is interesting to note that the very people who claimed that the EU did not have an overbearing influence on national governments, and that member states could freely follow their own economic policies, now claim that every single problem the UK is currently facing is the fault of brexit. Who would have thought it?

Edit : Just to emphasise my point in case I didn’t make it clear – you can have a growing need for food banks in a buoyant economy with high levels of wages and employment if you actively dismantle the welfare state and social security provisions – people get sick, they become redundant, their husband walks out, etc etc

dissonance
I dont have a problem with that. Replace him now and let him visit for the weekend.

So long as he pays for it at full market rates.

“The market” and all that . . . .

he simply won’t answer the questions put to him

He doesn’t know the answers.

He doesn’t know what policies Johnson considers he can implement.

He doesn’t know what decisions Johnson will allow him to take.

He doesn’t know if Johnson will step down as PM as soon as a new Conservative leader is chosen.

(that last one stuck hardest… should be the easiest of questions to answer)

Brexit will continue to devour the Tories and their leaders.

And any other party that continues it.

In the Commons, it was confirmed that Michelle Donelan, who held the post of Education Secretary for 36 hours will receive a standard severance package (around £16,000).

That’s significantly more than the yearly pay for a TA. A rancid system that is rotten to the very core.

— Shuaib. (@ShuaibKhan26) July 7, 2022

Apparently it’s going to charity.

Still.

She’s said that she won’t keep it.

TA’s are underpaid though. Their real incomes have fallen to embarrassing levels in recent years.

I wonder if you asked Channel 4, the BBC and GMTV “is Johnson vindictive” what the answer would be ?

I wonder if you asked Channel 4, the BBC and GMTV “is Johnson vindictive” what the answer would be ?

He doesn’t know if Johnson will step down as PM as soon as a new Conservative leader is chosen.

(that last one stuck hardest… should be the easiest of questions to answer)

To give him dues, I would be vary wary of parroting any line that came out of number 10. I mean, that’s a damning indictment of the current situation, but I can understand why Cleverly might be nervous about answering questions like that.

I can understand why Cleverly might be nervous about answering questions like that

Absolutely. Cleverly is not the problem in that interview. He simply does not know the answers to the questions. He can’t do. Let’s hope we only have days of this… not months.

As for the problem with Channel4… this holds up from August 2019…

I realise the futility of asking Remain fanatics to stop blaming everything on brexit, that is clearly my never going to happen. And on the plus side it further alienates them from voters – even Tony Blair recognises this.

Is it as futile as getting a lexiter to admit that (thanks to brexit) a weaker economy = more poor people? 😉

Anyway

What happens next for blowhard?

Pincher scandal could well involve the police, there will be more blowback

Secret (not disclosed to FCO) meetings with lebdev snr without his security detail

Cummings says BJ secretly met Lavrov on 20th March 2020 !?!

Investigation into his lying to parliament still going ahead?

And as we are dealing with Johnson, what new scandals will be unearthed in the near future?

I realise the futility of asking Remain fanatics to stop blaming everything on brexit, that is clearly my never going to happen. And on the plus side it further alienates them from voters – even Tony Blair recognises this.

Apart from in Scotland where we understand the damage brexit is still causing and rejoining the EU is massivly popular

And NI

Also public support for brexit is collapsing

I realise the futility of asking Remain fanatics to stop blaming everything on brexit

@ernielynch

By calling people ‘Remain Fanatics’ you have fallen into the trap expertly laid by the tory party and the right wing media. It’s a loaded phrase specifically designed to make people seem slightly unhinged.

So in this country, people can’t talk about how, in fact, Brexit was objectively bad for the economy, without being tagged as mad by an army of people* of people willing to resort to ad hominems without batting an eyelid.

* I say people, what I meant was frothing Brexity peri-racist gammons. (Everyone on both sides of the political discourse all need to be careful not to fall into the same traps).

It is interesting to note that the very people who claimed that the EU did not have an overbearing influence on national governments, and that member states could freely follow their own economic policies, now claim that every single problem the UK is currently facing is the fault of brexit. Who would have thought it?

This is just a distillation of so many of the counterfactual arguments (or lies, if you like) of both left and right leavers. We trade with the EU, It (was) our biggest market, put barriers up to that trade and our economy will suffer. If the economy suffers than that is always passed to the workers to pay and bear the cost

By calling people ‘Remain Fanatics’ you have fallen into the trap expertly laid by the tory party and the right wing media. It’s a loaded phrase specifically designed to make people seem slightly unhinged.

Yes, this is the “well you didn’t believe in it enough” trap.
Slag off Brexit for being a stupid idea from stupid people and the answer is now that Brexit would have worked if only Remoaners had got behind it and *believed*.

The Peter Pan answer.

What actually counts as a “remain fanatic” is the a clear definition.

Oustide of parliament most remain voters just seem to have got on with their lives.

The Peter Pan answer.

Absolutely, the Tinkerbell proposition and blaming the ‘vindictive EU’ are the only two deflections that people who voted for this have to try to explain why our economic prospects seem so much worse than other G7 nations.

We have chosen to make ourselves poorer and less influential as a nation. Those who might be keen to embark on similar, disastrous projects in future (there is still plenty left to wreck in the name of ‘freedom’) don’t want the population to become more aware of the damage.

Apparently it’s going to charity.

Still.

I posted on this yesterday, it’s in the legislation that departing ministers get this 25% ‘redundancy payment’. I also believe it is payable whether sacked, resigned, (presume not if reshuffled to an equivalent post but who knows) With all the leavers of jobs of the last few days, the total bill is £420K

My speculation was whether the people being put into post now to keep this sham PM/Gov going – if the 1922 fire him next week, a true caretaker comes in and replaces a load more, are we in for another big redundancy payment?

If it’s going to charity, that’s one thing I suppose.

Well this remain fanatic sees things pretty clearly. Public services are paid through taxation. The tax take is related to the gross domestic product (income) of the country. The country earns less than it did but services need paying for. Taxes must therefore rise to offset the declining country income. Things happen slower than in your current account but there are some fundamentals here that people happily ignore. Until they pay more taxes.

Leaving the EEA was never originally on the table. And was a choice to be poorer that the current band of tories own. Cameron took us out but Johnson and the ERG really crashed the red bus and are running away. What a legacy and having given up his personal convictions to achieve it.

Scotland voted to stay in the union largely based on economics. England doesn’t understand economics. Thank goodness the GFA provides some feedback system for an eventual rational solution. It’s two PMs away yet.

Speaking to the general public every day, I have to say I’m getting a bit sick of Tory voters in the last 24hrs saying “well he had to go!”, “Worst prime minister in my life time!”, “It was inevitable that Boris would destroy himself!”, “I always knew he would be an awful pm, but he did a good job in the panedmic”…..

They all seem to claim  that they knew he was going to be terrible but voted him in anyway – my farther in law, just retorts anti Corbyn bs when ever politics are mentioned.

It’s a loaded phrase specifically designed to make people seem slightly unhinged.

I think blaming brexit for food banks is pretty unhinged. Or to be more polite an act of desperation.

Food banks are the result of a failed benefits system, to repeat the point for the umpteenth time.

This ‘care taker’ cabinet is as bent as Boris’ previous cabinet. I’m currently listening to James Cleverley on R4 continuously not answer questions, he simply won’t answer the questions put to him. Oh but guess what, the only question he did answer was that he thinks Boris & Carrie’s wedding party at Chequers on 30th July should be allowed to go ahead…

Same bunch of lying scumbags, slightly different names

So at this point, 8th July, haunted troll doll Johnson claims to be staying on till a successor is found, but let’s face it, he’s checked out and will do nothing other than wine and cake testing for his wedding bash that we’ll pay for at the house he’s used more than any other PM.

The actual cost of Carries god awful taste in wallpaper has been leaked and we paid for £3500 drinks trolley

Wait..£500 for Kitchen table cloth..does it fly? ?

This leaked £200,000 invoice of Boris Johnson’s No 11 renovation is proof there’s no #CostOfLiving crisis ….for the Johnsons. pic.twitter.com/ObxFDEhRhk

— Dr Shola Mos-Shogbamimu (@SholaMos1) July 8, 2022

How has this pair of grifters not been dragged out of No.10 by their ankles at this point by a braying mob who are wondering how to pay their gas bills this winter?

Well this remain fanatic sees things pretty clearly. Public services are paid through taxation. The tax take is related to the gross domestic product (income) of the country

No they’re not.

The money is issued effectively by the bank of England through the consolidated fun account and government spending is paid before any tax take with the newly created money.

Tax merely removes money out of circulation. The difference is the deficit which is matched by bond issuance. Bond issuance is just a safe place for the private sector to put money – this is called the national debt and is not a debt in the same way you or I know a debt.

Bond issuance is also a swap of reserves (non interest bearing v interest bearing) which is supposed to help control interest rates.

How else do you think money gets into the economy? (As well as commercial bank lending.)

Food banks are the result of a failed benefits system, to repeat the point for the umpteenth time.

Made worse by the economic disaster of brexit

I think blaming brexit for food banks is pretty unhinged

No one is blaming it entirely for them. What people are stating though is it has meant more people are using them than would be the case otherwise.

Food banks are the result of a failed benefits system, to repeat the point for the umpteenth time.

Okay but lets take a step back and ask why people are needing to use that benefits system. There we find that brexit has contributed to that need.

No big bash at Chequers now… after sending people out to say why it could still go ahead this morning.

I wonder if you asked Channel 4, the BBC and GMTV “is Johnson vindictive” what the answer would be ?

The question is about whether he would be vindictive in his memoirs.
Trying to coerce those channels into at worse being silent and at best actively supporting you isnt vindictive as opposed to good, albeit unethical, tactics.

Aparently Boris & Carrie were planning on having their wedding reception at Chequers in July, James Cleverly doesn’t see a problem with this:- “Private functions like that do not impose a burden on the public purse” 🤔

Keep up… [ I know, it’s impossible, no one can ] after sending him out to degrade himself with that nonsense, the position has been switched to it not taking place. Why would anyone agree to go out to the media to answer questions on Johnson’s behalf? There really is no point. Conservatives need to remove him ASAP, if the don’t want months of looking increasingly foolish…

“Slag off Brexit for being a stupid idea from stupid people and the answer is now that Brexit would have worked if only Remoaners had got behind it and *believed*.”

This is the point…

I remember when we joined Europe in the 70’s. Nearly everyone that voted then was of working age, believing in it wasn’t the issue then, they were invested in it.

Brexit was achieved by the huge number of pensioners who are no longer invested in the economy, likely to be sat on a property worth hundreds of thousands and have a secure, index linked income. They are asking those of working age who overwhelmingly voted remain to ‘believe’.

The fact that when they go into care there will be no one to look after them because they’ve kicked a million hard working, tax paying foreigners from these shores is lost on them.

Maybe remain should have had their own bus slogan:

“Vote Brexit but you can wipe your own arse when your kids dump you in a retirement home”

What’s fabulous is that, after everything, they sent Cleverly out to spout this bollox to the media, then almost immediately did a u-turn and moved the event. Nothing changes, and I have no sympathy for any of these people who have chosen to debase themselves in his service this way.

They could have all refused to join his ministerial team and brought matters to a head in the next week. The Tory Party would have put forward an interim PM, the House would have endorsed it and we would have been spared his intrigues and zombie leadership during a pandemic/ecomonic crisis/European war.

Conservatives need to remove him ASAP, if the don’t want months of looking increasingly foolish…

It’s accepted that he’s staying now, until a new leader is selected.

Let’s hope he makes even more of a disgrace of himself in the meantime.

Why would anyone agree to go out to the media to answer questions on Johnson’s behalf? There really is no point

The one question he actually answered and its already a screeching u-turn.