Big up to the Rebel MP's !

All my life I voted LibDem (SDP) was where I came in, the one time I voted Tory (I hate Clegg because of his pseudo Godlessness, not because he’s Godless per se just because it demonstrates that his word is worth nothing) the Lib Dems get handed some power and look how they’ve squandered it. AV was a stupid contrivance and was turned down as such, full PR should have been what was on offer, then that’s now off the table for all time afaics.

I wouldn’t trust you with a referendum on a complex issue Hora

…and you are highbrow enough to make that assumption?

It’s Congo Natty Time

not because he’s Godless per se just because it demonstrates that his word is worth nothing

they arent showing balls, just stupidity

why exactly would cameron, hague and the 200+ other torries etc who ranted and raved about referndums and the EU in opposition suddenly become europhiles when in power?

because they know that the bullshit they spouted previously was just empty rhetoric to cynically win the votes of gullible, xenophobic, biggoted electorate who may or may not be thick, read the sun, mail, telegraph etc

they know the UK needs the EU, we need to be part of the EU and we need to have influence in the EU

the UK has already found itself shut out of the talks on the eurozone and torry rebels & cameron, hague etc mouthing off to please the europhobes at home has only made it more likely that any deal struck will be to the detrement of the UK

well, we were given a chance to change the system (AV) – we didn’t want it.

Actually we were given nowt, we had an expensive vote about a system that neither the Lib dems or anyone else wanted against the status quo….shockingly staying where we were won the day in those circumstances. 😯