Bad day at the Clairvoyant.

whitegoodman, the Samaritans are not just for suicides.
If you’re that sceptical of professionals and you’ve had a bad experience with a clairvoyant, they may be worth a try. They really will help anyone with any problem.
At least no one can accuse the Samaritans of only doing it for the money.

To be fair to the OP and in defence of the very rare ‘good’ person who claims to have ‘special powers’ I would offer the following.

My mum is as cynical as they come when it comes to such things however she does know a woman who has given advice to several people she knows and has given very very specific details of their lives that she could not possibly have know or gleaned via the usual social engineering techniques so often used.

My mum was confident enough of the woman’s character and integrity she was willing to refer my wife to her – not something she would do if she had any doubt.

I’m on the fence but just occasionally someone crops up who challenges my disbelief in the paranormal.

To the OP – not all professional counsellors are equal! Again, my wife went to see one who was bowlarks but again, my mum is a counsellor / therapist and she has no end of referrals from people who have used her and recommended her to friends and family.

If a clairvoyant works for you, do it. If you think it may be worth checking out other forms of counselling (I would suggest looking for a Hakomi counsellor and specialising in grief as a start).

Cheers and good luck

Danny B

This isn’t religion it’s cold hard actual fact

Um lol?! I have some bracelets with magnets in them to help you balance better if you’re interested, only £50…

http://www.skepdic.com/skeptimedia/skeptimedia127.html

OP maybe you could take solice in the fact that your loved ones are happy and at peace, and clearly able to communicate with you. The body is just a vehicle that allows you to move your real self (soul) around on this plane. A clairvoyant is only like a radio mast that picks up signals and transmits them into spoken word.
Everybody has the ability to be a psychic, they just choose not to tune in.
You will get a flaming on this forum because the majority on here have to have hard, cold scientific fact that something is real, they are unable to accept anything that science/mankind has not (as yet) been able to explain because its way outside of their parimiters.

Can I just re-iterate if only for the late comers, this isn’t about recent loss, or grief it was about a potential life cross roads and external indeed commercial pressures.

The returning grief was just a by product and I have to say, once you’ve lost your Father, your son, your mother, your best mates, you become fairly hardened to it. Did she play on any of this? How was she even to know any of it, we’d never met, she didn’t even know I was coming along, so could not have done any research, she’d even forgotten the appointment having just had a bereavement of someone close to her to deal with, so to that end I’m confident she knows less about me than you all do.

I’m not actually on the brink of suicide although I guess posting here might give one that impression but thanks for the thought, so I think we’ve about covered it haven’t we?

Thanks for caring, those that did, next time maybe I’ll try the Tarot.

Everybody has the ability to be a psychic, they just choose not to tune in.

Indeed 😀

has given very very specific details of their lives that she could not we could not see how she could possibly have know or gleaned via the usual social engineering techniques so often used.

And yet she did.

Whitegood man, you can’t really expect to throw out a post about a clairvoyant and not get ridiculed. You’re free to believe in whatever you like but don’t be surprised when people question your sanity, intelligence or gullibility.

To put it another way, in the words of a very wise poster:

That’s the trouble with these fringe organisations they always attract the ‘nutter’ element

when i’m king i’m going to make it a law that any individual accepting payment for ‘psychic’ services/tarot cards/angel therapy and all that stuff is arrested and charged for financial abuse of vulnerable adults.

have to have hard, cold scientific fact evidence that something is real, they are unable to accept anything that science/mankind has not (as yet) been able to explain because its way outside of their parimiters.

A fine example of gormless gibberish (partly fixed for you).

For example: A magic invisible penguin directs the fate of humanity from the moon. Which is made of ectoplasm. If you don’t believe this, it’s because it’s “outside (your) parimiters (sic)”…

OP maybe you could take solice in the fact that your loved ones are happy and at peace, and clearly able to communicate with you. The body is just a vehicle that allows you to move your real self (soul) around on this plane. A clairvoyant is only like a radio mast that picks up signals and transmits them into spoken word.

I’ll have a gram of whatever you’re snorting

she’d even forgotten the appointment

I’m sorry but you just made me lol again

What is science? The things scientists don’t understand are enshrined in the principles of science.

Falsifiability

“I’m not actually on the brink of suicide…” and “…a potential life cross roads…”

That’s what I was trying to get at.
The fact that you visited a clairvoyant, for whatever reason, shows that you are looking for outside help.
I may be reading too much in to one comment, but you appear to share the common view that the Samaritans are only there to stop people jumping off bridges.

If I was after that sort help, I think I’d rather visit a well trained volunteer, then make a donation as I felt appropriate, than pay someone by the hour.

Religion, clairvoyance, hypnotism, to succeed they all require a certain level of naivety and emotional vulnerability in the subject.

A few months ago I was getting all upset about certain psychological consequences of ageing; I went to my GP and talked while she listened for fifteen minutes. I came out feeling great and haven’t had a moment’s bad feeling about ageing since then and it was all free at the point of delivery. All I needed was to talk about it.

you can’t really expect to throw out a post about a clairvoyant and not get ridiculed.

Yes, you can. Or at least, you should.

You can expect to receive advice and some people are less tactful about that than others. But you shouldn’t expect ridicule, and if you’re the sort of person who will respond to a request for help by questioning someone sanity and intelligence then perhaps you need to have a think about that for a moment.

I’m starting to think of this as Molgrips’ Law. It’s a bit like STW’s version of Wheaton’s Law.

MidlandTrailquestsGraham – Member
“I’m not actually on the brink of suicide…” and “…a potential life cross roads…”

That’s what I was trying to get at.
The fact that you visited a clairvoyant, for whatever reason, shows that you are looking for outside help.
I may be reading too much in to one comment, but you appear to share the common view that the Samaritans are only there to stop people jumping off bridges.

If I was after that sort help, I think I’d rather visit a well trained volunteer, then make a donation as I felt appropriate, than pay someone by the hour.

Well, I’m obviously after guidance better than my own, I am inherently distrustful of my fellow man/woman and see little around me to convince me of their ability to help more than me just randomly flipping a coin, it is after all my ‘fellow man’ that is causing me and mine the stress that has pushed me to the point I feel I will inevitably make that turn in the crossroads, the question is which direction I should take. So and picked up by this woman she indicated that I would take it, but that in two years I’d be back, bored doing things similar to what I’m doing at the moment, (she correctly identified this and other interests)but that it would be somewhere warm and distant that frankly until now I hadn’t considered, is that now a self fulfilling prophesy? Who knows, the choices I had until now considered were all local.

You just don’t get that sort of intrigue, I don’t imagine by ringing the Samaritans, I wouldn’t know I’ve never felt the need to ring them, until I started posting this..

if you’re the sort of person who will respond to a request for help by questioning someone sanity and intelligence then perhaps you need to have a think about that for a moment.

I agree but that’s not what happened. The OP has been at great pains to say this isn’t a call for help. And even if they were, it’s the belief in clairvoyance that is being ridiculed.

I am inherently distrustful of my fellow man/woman and see little around me to convince me of their ability to help

and yet you posted..
on here..
on a Friday..

I hope you find peace in your troubled world

FWIW my cousin is training( I have no idea how that works) to be a Pshycic .
She is lovely and never tires of my ghostbuster jokes

…that’s like saying all STW posters are nobs…

But probably quite a fair assessment. 😉

OP I’ll assume you are completely genuine, In which case I’d suggest for future reference STW, other Forums, Facebook, twitter, etc – online “social media” in general isn’t the best place to take discussions of your deeper, personal issues.
It sounds like you’ve got some significant stuff going, on and a weighty past. TBH I’d just not trust the advice, comments and digs you’re going to get from unqualified, potentially malicious, strangers.

I think the majority on here are probably (like me) cynical when it comes to clairvoyance and psychics and their claims, but that’s my belief system (or lack thereof) and I’d hope not to be treated as harshly for that as some here seem to feel you should be.
If spiritualism or the like helps you then good, I shall not judge, my own preconceptions might yet be proven wrong. Although it sounds like your decision to visit a clairvoyant has not given you comfort or clarity you sought, but instead caused you distress and unearthed issues that you believed you had dealt with.

I’d echo the advice of others on here about talking to a councillor (obviously not your sister in law), or maybe your GP first (they are trained to help, and can offer an appropriate referral if you want).
The advantage is that they are not concerned with contacting spirits or reading the future, they are merely there to help you deal with your own issues directly. They won’t try to “fix” or “trick”.
Think of it more as a complimentary thing, aimed at helping you with the decisions and issues you face, essentially the same reason you visited the clairvoyant, lending some alternative perspective is all they will do, if that’s all you want.

Good luck

You just don’t get that sort of intrigue, I don’t imagine by ringing the Samaritans

You’ve just perfectly encapsulated the clairvoyant/psychic scam.

They prey on the needy and give false hope

cookeaa – Member
…that’s like saying all STW posters are nobs…
But probably quite a fair assessment.

OP I’ll assume you are completely genuine, In which case I’d suggest for future reference STW, other Forums, Facebook, twitter, etc – online “social media” in general isn’t the best place to take discussions of your deeper, personal issues.
It sounds like you’ve got some significant stuff going, on and a weighty past. TBH I’d just not trust the advice, comments and digs you’re going to get from unqualified, potentially malicious, strangers.

I think the majority on here are probably (like me) cynical when it comes to clairvoyance and psychics and their claims, but that’s my belief system (or lack thereof) and I’d hope not to be treated as harshly for that as some here seem to feel you should be.
If spiritualism or the like helps you then good, I shall not judge, my own preconceptions might yet be proven wrong. Although it sounds like your decision to visit a clairvoyant has not given you comfort or clarity you sought, but instead caused you distress and unearthed issues that you believed you had dealt with.

I’d echo the advice of others on here about talking to a councillor (obviously not your sister in law), or maybe your GP first (they are trained to help, and can offer an appropriate referral if you want).
The advantage is that they are not concerned with contacting spirits or reading the future, they are merely there to help you deal with your own issues directly. They won’t try to “fix” or “trick”.
Think of it more as a complimentary thing, aimed at helping you with the decisions and issues you face, essentially the same reason you visited the clairvoyant, lending some alternative perspective is all they will do, if that’s all you want.

Good luck

Good Post.

Yes, I did wonder about the strength of feeling engendered by the stuff from the past that I did feel I’d dealt with, it was a long time ago and I definitely think she went over the top describing him to me and telling me he was standing there next to me and the dog and then that it was cold. It takes me a while to work out wether I’m upset or angry, I’m not the sort to fly into a rage, I also have a naive tendency to give others the benefit of the doubt and my usual armour against lifes slings and arrows, is humour, which you do find here aplenty, I’m also safely anonymous so any hurt here can only go keyboard deep. It most certainly isn’t facebook fodder, it is however thought provoking, reading other folks sensible views such as contained within that post above.
But at the end of the day all I wanted was an alternate perspective, just not as much as she delivered, they like the reality of life you on occasion try not to face up to, can be very harsh.

it is after all my ‘fellow man’ that is causing me and mine the stress

You mean A fellow man.. not all fellow men. No matter how many crap people you meet, we are not all the same.

I guarantee that she wasn’t bringing anyone into the room with her, sorry. She’s not ‘gifted’, it’s a trick.

there is no possible way of proving or disproving this. the universe is infinitely more complex that any human could ever hope to understand in a lifetime. I sit firmly on the fence in these types of debate and point and laugh at anyone who uses current sciencific fact to rubbish these claims or who believes wholeheartedly in them.

The thing about therapy is that you’d also be given tools for how to deal with all the stuff that comes up. It sounds like you were basically laid bare and then left to deal with the fall-out by yourselves.

I’ve no doubt that all the feelings, etc are genuine.

The clairvoyant may also be completely convinced that they were offering a real valuable service to their customers. They probably feel that they are experts at getting to the root of people’s emotions and feelings.

I hope you don’t feel raw and exposed too long. There are definitely ‘professionals’ that can help, but you don’t have to go the GP referral route. Put as much effort into finding a therapist as you did into finding the clairvoyant, and you might be surprised.

…as to money changing hands so you’re saying a shrink or counsellor is going to cost nothing?

The difference is there is tons of peer reviewed double blind tested evidence showing the benefits of using qualified counselors. And not one iota of hard fact based peer reviewed double blind tested evidence to support psychics.

there is no possible way of proving or disproving this. the universe is infinitely more complex that any human could ever hope to understand in a lifetime.

And on the other hand there is common sense.

when i’m king i’m going to make it a law that any individual accepting payment for ‘psychic’ services/tarot cards/angel therapy and all that stuff is arrested and charged for financial abuse of vulnerable adults.

Would be nice wouldn’t it, I’ve always wondered how they can legally operate. I’d extend that to religious funding too.

And on the other hand there is common sense

yes common sense, the world is flat, everything revolves around the earth, spinach builds muscle etc

yes common sense, the world is flat,

Actually common sense would tell you the world is round as you can actually see the curve of the earth…

Woah there. The worlds not flat?

binners – Member

Woah there. The worlds not flat?
You’d have known that if you’d let your spirit fly into space and look down on yourself!

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You mean to tell me they didn’t tell you you were going to be ridiculed for sharing this information? shame on them!

Shortly after meeting mrs Zip she went off to a clairvoyant. She said someone may come through for me.
At the time no one close to me had died. The biggest impact on me was the loss of my dog.
Anyway after all the usual jumbo jumbo mystic meg said that a small scruffy dog had entered the room, a jack Russell.
Spot on. Could be one of the usual fishing type statements, maybe not. I’m still a sceptic though.

Woah there. The worlds not flat?

Of course it is. Look at it. Look out of the window!

I’ve had a look Molly. There are some big hills out there. Which would definitely indicate that it must be flat. Round indeed? You don’t get bumpy footballs do you?

Some make fortunes feeding, and feeding off, other peoples misery. It’s just wrong.

http://www.krdo.com/news/psychic-dead-wrong-about-kidnap-victim/-/417220/20071556/-/ax901mz/-/index.html

there is no possible way of proving or disproving this.

Such a gift would be readily demonstrable under controlled conditions though, would it not?

the universe is infinitely more complex that any human could ever hope to understand in a lifetime

We don’t doubt that. But that doesn’t mean we can make up any old crap and peddle it as fact (or even as a viable alternative). By all means have an open mind, but give it a little filtration.

Their “gifts” have been consistently demonstrated and explained, yet the gullible continue to believe. They’re experts at reading peoples reactions and they have perfected the art of suggestion. Here’s a perfect example of the power of suggestion

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/2187084/derren_brown_secrets_revealed/