Are the Isrealis the new Nazis?

Is this thread going to last as long as the Isreali “campaign”? Can we just talk about weeing in shoes and bashing singlespeeders instead?

I know I will get flamed for this but once all Palestinians are finally driven out and into Egypt Israel will suddenly stop their fighting and the land will be theirs. Israel wants them out. Whether we agree or not- thats where its going.

When you say “Israel” hora, you mean America (and the UK) surly?

Is this happening before or after hell freezes over Hora?

Oh definitely before. I bet in our lifetime.

O/T – I once went out with an Israeli girl. Stunning but she was utterly convinced and (I wasnt arguing I was shagging) read off as if by rote (as though someone and had told her word for word over and over again) why Israel was always right in everything and was the countries of all countries etc etc. Scarily brainwashed. Stupidly I reminded her that I might not be kosher and she dumped me in a flash. Ah well.

“Scarily brainwashed”? Like everyone at the trail centers riding 6in full sus bikes, becuase that’s what you “need”?

If someone keeps firing homemade rockets what are you going to do? Let them?

Ya right let me shoot/aim some fireworks (not rocket) at your home and feel that. Then see if you can sit or relax and let me continue with my ‘fun’.

Hamas knows Israel is going to retaliate and that’s exactly what they want so they gain sympathy vote via the media. They need something to show their people (their voters) that they are doing something what better to do then to fire rockets at Israel eh. That makes them the hero of the Palestinian cause. Then all they got to do is hide behind children, women and old folks when the Israeli’s rockets fall on them. Now they are crying foul … what do they expect? Israel throwing home make pie at them? Hamas knows exactly well that civilians are going to suffer and kill but do they care? No of course now. They are the heros remember?

When Hamas fires rocket at Israel I don’t see anyone complaining …

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“Scarily brainwashed”? Like everyone at the trail centers riding 6in full sus bikes, becuase that’s what you “need”?

Not a good analogy I’m afraid. If you applied me/her to that it would be like me offering a 10inch monster DH bike for her trail centre use…..honest

Sofatester- if you have no interest in this thread, or no desire to add anything interesting, then there are plenty of other threads to read.

Why not start an interesting thread of your own? Now there’s a mad concept.

Is this happening before or after hell freezes over Hora?

I’d say Hora is probably right, vile and disgusting though that situation will be.

I think we should send Sofatester to solve the problems – he obviously knows a wealth of information on the subject and has such a mature way of conveying it.

Rudeboy/Zokes – How do we fix the problems over there? And to answer the original post, are the Isrealis the new Nazis?

I’m far to ignorant of world afairs to understand…

1 million were killed in Rwanda but who cares about them? Who is their voice to keep their memory alive? Only Journalists.

The near future also holds a scary thought. The return of stronger antisemitism. Sadly brought about, in part by Jews themselves.

We thought you knew, given your comments!

How to solve the problems:

Send in Peace keepers
Stop supplying Isreal with multi-billion dollar weapon grants
Force Isreal using whatever diplomatic or other means necessary to observe UN directives on border blockades etc
Allow Palestinians the ability to build a functioning economy, and stop bombing what little of it there was
Get the two parties back to the negotiating table

Some of those are more realistic than others, but probably all neccessary to some degree. The ultimate answer would be to convince both sides to stop fighting over two different versions of a fictional book…..

Just heard on the radio, about the sudden spate of Anti-Semitic ‘incidents’ that have occurred in London, over the last week. Apparently, a Jewish cemetery has been desecrated, and a gang were shouting Anti-Semitic slogans.

A reaction to recent events? Guaranteed. Justified? No. Hateful and Xenophobic? Definitely. Provoked by Jewish people here? No way.

I have several Jewish friends. I would hate to think their freedom and safety is in any danger.

This is not just a problem isolated to Palestine.

As i said before, when you say “Israel” you mean the USA & UK don’t you?

“The ultimate answer would be to convince both sides to stop fighting over two different versions of a fictional book.”

Just imagine that.

How to solve the problems:

Send in Peace keepers
Stop supplying Isreal with multi-billion dollar weapon grants
Force Isreal using whatever diplomatic or other means necessary to observe UN directives on border blockades etc
Allow Palestinians the ability to build a functioning economy, and stop bombing what little of it there was
Get the two parties back to the negotiating table

Good ideas, but all rejected by Israel and the US.

All rejected by US arm firms, through their lobbyists, strong connections to Congress and scare-tactics that Israel must be Hawkish to survive?

Provoked by Jewish people here? No way.. Aye but all will suffer. Here it’s own the idiots of society. What is worrying is reaction within the region and further afield.

Clarks are doing a massive trade………..

Still, Israel really has scored an own goal with this one.

4 versus 550 (inc 100 children). That is one heck of a own-goal.

That’s the point I made two or three days ago – this was how it was always going to turn out.

How many arabs has the US killed so far (with our help) in retaliation for the 2000-odd dead in New York?

I bet the Israelis have a way to go to beat that.

5thElefant… on the same ratio the US would have had to have killed about 275,000…

Am not sure even they have managed that yet!

Ah yes, http://www.iraqbodycount.org[/url%5D has it at around 100,000. Poor effort.

To be brutally honest, I actually don’t care that much. Frankly I’m much more concerned about Russia cutting my gas supply off.

Anyway back to ruling the world….. All hills will now be one way.. Down only, Ileagal drugs will be legalised and available on the NHS at prescription charge levels, dentistry will be back under the umbrella of the NHS, and check ups will be free. Dentists will only nominally be paid for removal of diseased teeth. Packaging materials will be heavily taxed, those deemed unnecessary for any practical reason by double. Products which are produced with low longevity/high obselescence will likewise be heavily taxed. Sport and diet will receive more attention on the school curriculum and Airline tickets will be sold on the basis of gross passenger weight including luggage. Anyone weighing more that average with their luggage will have to buy an additional seat so their lard doesn’t encroach into mine personal zone!

Just wait for tomorrow !!!!

Zokes : Couldn’t agree more. When would be good for a reunion? Re the return of G, evilzone pi$$ed me off more than the mods on here. Only way to show solidarity IMHO.

Products which are produced with low longevity/high obselescence will likewise be heavily taxed

So bike parts then? 😡

Zokes : Couldn’t agree more. When would be good for a reunion? Re the return of G, evilzone pi$$ed me off more than the mods on here. Only way to show solidarity IMHO.

Well, Feb is looking very busy as the missus graduates, and I’ll probably have my viva around then. Then (hopefully) I’ll be Dr Zokes….. End of March I’m at a conf in Reading, and I’m sure I have another in Edinburgh at some point (a good excuse to go MTBing at GT with fuel paid for 😀 )

Apart from that, seeing as I’m no longer a student, I just need to do the usual boring thing of complaining how much work I have to do, then ignoring it and taking leave. I reckon we should wait until night time temperatures are above -10 in Wales though!

Hamas has scored their own goal here with their daily rocket firing. I think they must be going ape shite?

Now, they are cowering behind their human shields. Good tactic that with all the world media dedicating their air time to highlight the death and unfortunate circumstances of Hamas.

Oh look Annie Lennox, George Galloway, some politicians etc are there too to increase their own profiles. I think they are trying to outdo Bono the god.

Zokes or future Dr Zokes,

Are you planning an academic career? What PhD are you doing?

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It seems to have ended up that way. PhD was in organic waste management and land remediation. I’m currently on a 1-year PostDoc contract investigating nitrogen in upland soils, so all environmental sciency really. The major plus side of my job is being able to go walking and off-road land rover driving, and get paid for it! 😀

I am actually looking for fellowships as I type, although as you can see, I’m not getting that far….

zokes,

Organic waste management? Yes, tonnes of shite around nowadays. Like the outdoor fun though. You should justify you work by riding there.

Oh ya … welcome to the academic world of fixed term contract where you have to re-apply for your own job after a while.

🙂

To be brutally honest, I actually don’t care that much

We know, Adam.

Well, still in student mode, the idea of saving my new-found wealth was so foreign, I went out and bought not one, but two new bikes, and spent money converting the old XC machine to a commuter, so when (as discussed above), it’s not -10 and the roads are less of a skating rink. This especially holds true now my brain is sort of working out a year isn’t that long, and perhaps I may need some money at the end, so I’d better get some use out of the bikes, seeing as I now have no savings again…. I have also considered sampling on the MTB, but mud weighs too much, unfortunately.

The idea of applying for your own job again is better than what seems to be happening at the moment, whreby if Gordon keeps giving all our money to the banks, he won’t have any left for NERC et al., so there won’t BE a job 🙁

I assume you’re also in academia somewhere then?

G: To be brutally honest, I actually don’t care that much

Rudeboy: We know, Adam.

Wrong, try again…..

Really? Well, I apologise, in that case. Just had a whiff of selfish nastiness. My mistake.

Personally, I’m more concerned with the needless deaths of innocent people, than my gas supply, as I can always burn something else to keep warm, or move to warmer climes.

But that’s just me.

(Although I’m with you on the passenger + luggage gross weight thing!)

Zokes,

What is your budget for new toy? i.e. bike. I might want to sell my Mk 1 Cotic Soul 17.5″. I pulled out of sale the last time because I was not sure. Anyway, if that is your cup of tea let me know.

Yes, I care but so long as I am watching TV.

Chewkw

No budget – already got the two new toys: a medium Mk2 Soul 😀 , and for the other end of riding, a Patriot 7+ 😀 😀

So I guess had I mentioned I wanted a soul a couple of months ago, you may have had a deal and saved me some cash! Never mind….

£15million for Jermaine Defoe? Blimey. Good bit of business for Portsmouth.

In fact, who needs a forum – this one thread will do…..

Aren’t we in danger of missing the point here?

What’s happened is that:

1. Egypt negotiated a ceasefire that held for 6 months.
2. Hamas referred to the ceasefire as a “Hudna” – the term for a cessation in Jihad often motivated by the need to restock weapons before continuing the conflict
3. During the ceasefire Israel claimed that Hamas were using a network of 400 tunnels to move around 175 tonnes of explosives and an unknown number of rockets (both claims denied by Hamas). They also claimed that Hamas were receiving weapons and training from Iran.
4. Hamas broke the ceasefire by firing several hundred rockets including Iranian produced Grad rockets. Many of these rockets have been fired from civilian positions – Israel claims that mosques, schools and hospitals have been used
5. Egypt has laid the blame for the conflict at the door of Hamas.

So, what do we do? What’s the solution to a political group who will not acknowledge or entertain a two state solution? How does Israel protect itself against the new Grad rockets that put most of Israel’s lands at risk – including a nuclear power station? How should Israel respond to a continuation of year upon year of rockets and suicide bombers? How do you negotiate with a group that legitimises suicide bombings by women and children on other women and children?

It’s easy for us to sit back and have our own views, but in the midst of the suffering on both side, shouldn’t we also reflect on how we would negotiate with Hamas – or whether we even could?

Aren’t we in danger of missing the point here?

Well you certainly seem to have comprehensively missed the point.

Hamas won a free and democratic election
Israel illegally witheld tax receipts
Israel imprisoned Hamas MP’s
Their opponents, probably aided by Israel and the US, schemed a coup
Hamas pre-empted the coup and threw them out of Gaza
Israel closed the borders, imposing a state of siege and starvation, eliminating any chance of Gazans to earn a living
Israel, the US and the EU refused to talk to Hamas
Hamas agreed to a ceasefire including an agreement to open borders
Israel kept the borders closed
Israel attacked and killed Hamas members in Gaza
Hamas responded with some pretty ineffectual rockets
Israel invaded with massive and indiscriminate attacks on the Palestinian population.

Now – what should Hamas do?