Are the Isrealis the new Nazis?

G – Member

So of course theres no Irish people who had that happen to them then?

Wally!

Yes of course, I forgot about the millions of stateless Irish living in refugee camps scattered throughout Europe, which had to be considered during the NI peace process.

I’m obviously a complete wally 😳

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Slapper – I’m intrigued to know what you’re talking about – do tell 😕

A national LAN game of “sabotage” on COD4 should settle this. With no ReSpawn of course!

Plus what you dont hear that much in news reports- alot of Israeli’s are against the violence and feel uncomfortable about the Palestinian problem.

This is very true hora. In the same way that many whites in South Africa were appalled by the racist Apartheid regime’s policies, many Jews (incl ones in Israel) are disgusted by the actions of the Israeli government. Something which should never be forgotten.

And moreover unlike white South Africans, those Jews who oppose the Israeli government are subjected to the particularly nasty vilification of being labelled “self-haters”

G – Long time no see! you decided to brave STW again then, or was it you that broke it? 😉

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special holding pens for women with PMT, with very high walls and soundproofing, and thats just on day one!

Love it! You have a career in politics beckoning there fella’!

I think we should have a C2C reunion soon…..

Oh, and Palestine – Well, I’ve not really got much to add, so I’ll butt out again now…

G – does sfb know your here?! WTF’s Dibnah!

G – Member
So of course theres no Irish people who had that happen to them then?

Wally!

Yes of course, I forgot about the millions of stateless Irish living in refugee camps scattered throughout Europe, which had to be considered during the NI peace process.

I’m obviously a complete wally
Eruope? No. America. There are more Irish Americans than Irish. There’s probably more Irish in London than Ireland too.

Ah right, the millions of stateless Irish living in refugee camps in America, not Europe.

Yes of course, they all had to be considered before the NI peace process could be implemented.

G is right – I really am a wally 😳 😳 😳

Not refugee camps no. Americans are rather more charitable than those arab fellas. Or more accurately it was never in Americas interest to amplify the suffering of displaced Irish.

Americans are rather more charitable

And they were very charitable in supporting another murdering terrorist group, the IRA.

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And they were very charitable in supporting another murdering terrorist group, the IRA.

Yep. The cheeky monkies.

What goes round comes round.

So it’s going pretty well today, nice high death toll, plenty of civilian casualties – it really is a lovely war!

The Israelis are right to act against the missile attacks from Gaza but their response is totally disproportionate.

I’ve just watched footage on the news of the hundreds of Palestinian civilian casualties and it made me think that it’s really not that surprising that much of the world hates Israel (and to an extent, by proxy the US)

Seems that most of the victims of the recent Israeli attacks are civilians.
BBC

Which makes this genocide, not ‘war’.

Time the UN stepped in. WTF is it for, if not to try and prevent this kind of thing?

If Iran, Pakistan, Ethiopia, Syria, Somalia etc were ding this, it would be denounced as senseless slaughter. Israel is quite literaly, getting away with murder.

I wonder where the Whargrider is, tonight? I wonder if he’s now relfecting on his ill-chosen and ill-judged comments, yesterday?

Sick. Utterly sick.

How can anyone claim this is justified, no matter what the act against them?

The Israelis are right to act against the missile attacks from Gaza

OK

There appears to be a serious misunderstanding about who the aggressor actually is.

In June last year Hamas agreed to a six month ceasefire with Israel.

On the 4th of November Israel broke the ceasefire by killing six Palestinians in Gaza.

Up until that point in the ceasefire not one single Israeli had been killed by Hamas.

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Of cause Israel likes to do it dirty work when it believes the world isn’t watching (at the moment it won’t allow reporters into the killing zone) So it chose the 4th of November the day the world was witnessing the historical election of the first ever black US president. It knew that it’s blatant violation of the ceasefire wouldn’t make the front pages of the world’s newspapers.

They hoped no one would notice. Judging by some of the comments on here, the strategy seems to have been quite successful.

Furthermore, Israel was bound by the terms of the ceasefire to lift it’s blockade of the Gaza Strip.
A barbaric and inhumane blockade which the United Nations Human Rights Investigator describe as, quote :

“a flagrant and massive violation of international humanitarian law”

And

” a crime against humanity”

Israel failed in it’s obligations and the blockade was not lifted. The cost in Palestinian lives is not known.

The aggressor is Israel, and Palestinians are the victims.

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BTW, this latest Israeli bloodbath has nothing to do with responding to Hamas, and everything to do with the fact that there will be a national election in Israel on Feb 10th.

And of course in 2 weeks time there will a new US president who might not be quite as easy on the Israelis as the present one.

Now is the time to kill as many Palestinians as possible.

BTW

Richard Falk the UN human rights investigator who described Israel’s blockade of Gaza as “a flagrant and massive violation of international humanitarian law” and ” a crime against humanity” was expelled by Israel.

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/12/17/days_after_calling_israeli_blockade_of

Which is funny, because I thought countries which expelled UN inspectors risked being invaded by the US ?

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Oh yes ……….. and Richard Falk is an American Jew.

So not your typical Hamas supporter then…….

What gets me about all this is that can none of the Israeli government see the parallels with the warsaw ghetto and the pale of settlement and the various pogroms the jews have suffered. they now do this to someone else.

Thankyou TJ – that is exactly why I started the thread.

TJ, good to see you back old chap!

A very salient point as well.

I understand yer basic national defence doctrine (i.e. if missiles were raining down on Somerset from Devon…), but what gets me is the casual indifference of many Israeli onlookers (like those two girls at the border, interviewed on Newsnight) to the wholesale slaughter of women and children. As if dead civilians were no more than – now, what’s the word? – untermenschen.

To be fair, the creation of Israel was sanctioned by the UN – and the existence of Gaza as a refugee camp is entirely down to the refusal by neighbouring arab states to accept the displaced palestinians as a gesture of realpolitik.

Additionally, comments like Genocide are, frankly, ridiculous – ten days of high intensity military action in one of the most population dense areas of the planet have resulted in approximately 100 civilian casualties (UN figures) – to be honest thats pretty remarkable!

Lets bear in mind, population of about 1.5 million, death rate due to natural causes would be roughly 65 per day, so its not as if there’s a huge rise in mortality, the hysterical allegations simply don’t stack up!

“So, statistically at least, nobody has been killed in the recent Israeli campaign!

Bargain”

source: ARRSE

Hello labrat. Bargain, eh?

I put my 18 month old to bed last night. Kissed him gently on the forehead as he slipped off to sleep. Lay him down in his cot, snuggled him in etc.
A few hours later I saw a chap on the news kiss his baby son, much the same as I had done earlier. Only this chap was kissing his little one for the last time. Unlike my little one, who sprang into life at 6am this morning, this little one will never wake up. And also, unlike me, that poor chap will never see his little man grow up.

Now I’m no expert on what is going on over there, but what is apparent to me is the senseless & brutal waste of life. I know little of Hamas, & what they stand for, but FFS surely its time this atrocity was stopped.

That Hamas are a bunch of murdering cowards who hide behind a civilian population is not in doubt (all terrorists are the same) the issue is that the amount of force being used is indefensible. Shame on you Isreal.

One persons terrorist is another’s freedom fighter. Israel was based / built on terrorism – the stern gang and so on. These people blew up British army forces

Perhap Zulu-Eleven could set this Norwegian medic right – http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4698406n.

I don’t much care for Hamas (especially not the likes of the late Nizar “suicide dad” Rayyan), but the IDF pretence that shelling civilians is going to somehow help establish a lasting peace is **** laughable. It will do quite the opposite.

As I commented the other evening if Israel wants peace it should provide Gaza with jobs, employment and wealth. Poverty breeds terrorists. But as usual there appears absolutely no end-game with this, no plan for the future, regime change appears to mean regime distruction and an even poorer and angrier population.

NUTS!

Hello labrat. Bargain, eh?

Tongue firmly in cheek noteeth ;op – doesn’t take away the fact that the independent statistics don’t support the allegations!

Additionally, comments like Genocide are, frankly, ridiculous – ten days of high intensity military action in one of the most population dense areas of the planet have resulted in approximately 100 civilian casualties

Erm, more like getting on for 500, and rising every day.

Military action resulting in deaths of large numbers of civilians, with no justifiable reason, with race or religion being one of the motivating factors= GENOCIDE.

Why should the ‘displaced’ Palestinians be forced to move elsewhere? Why should neighbouring states be forced to take them in?

I make no claim to be an expert in this, but I would have thought one way that the Israelis could be dealing with this, is by withdrawing it’s citizens that live within the range of Hamas’ rockets, to a safe distance, placing it’s troops on the Palestinian border, and be ready to defend it’s own borders, nothing more. That way, Hamas’ rockets would not be killing any innocent Israeli civilians, and the Israeli troops would be far better protected. most of the munitions Hamas is flinging over are relatively weak; more anti-personnel weapons than heavy duty building destroyers.

This way, Israel would gain a hell of a lot more sympathy, and the onus would be on Hamas, to engage in further peace talks.

Israel may be a modern, progressive Westernised nation, but that doesn’t exempt it from being run by evil tyrants, democratically elected or not. They can’t hide behind the veneer of respectability, just because they are ‘friends’ with the West.

And it’s these ties with the USA and Britain especially, that hinder any peaceful progress. As Long as thses two nations continue to support Israel, economicallly and militarily, this situation will only get worse.

We can start, by boycotting Israeli goods. Personally, I think imposing sanctions against israel, and forbidding the trade of everything, especially weapons, would have an immediate impact.

Israel is just acting like a bully with big brothers, knows it can act with impunity. Time for all of us that do not like what is going on, to put pressure on our government, to act. Personally, I think the UN should steam into Israel, and prevent them from carrying out any more military action.

Iraq invaded Kuwait, and the West steamed in. So why aren’t they, this time?

“the independent statistics”

How clear would you say the picture on the ground is, right now?

(ps. forums come and go, Empires crumble into dust, STWers remain the same… )

maybe if hamass or wot ever they are called , would stop lobbing missiles , sit down and **** talk , then all the sh*t would stop

Maybe, but since Israel, the US and the EU won’t talk to Hamas (and Israel imprisoned their MP’s), who should they talk to?

Plus, Israel have bombed their TV, radio and communication centres, so I’d say dialogue might be a bit difficult right now…

Perhaps they could air drop Bush and Blair in to have a chat?

I’d volunteer to drop-kick Bliar and Bush into Palestine.

‘Oh, sorry, didn’t get very far with that kick, better try again’ (and repeat). All the way into Gaza City.

Shock and awe.

The pictures of dead children today. Some Western journalists are very brave.

I think this thread wins the best Troll of 2009!

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maybe if hamass or wot ever they are called , would stop lobbing missiles , sit down and **** talk , then all the sh*t would stop

Maybe, but since Israel, the US and the EU won’t talk to Hamas (and Israel imprisoned their MP’s), who should they talk to?

Hamas refuses to recognise Israel as a state. I don’t think that helps matters either. On the Hamas-side: a country thats only been formed for 6 decades is going to rankle somewhat with the locals isnt it?..

Erm, more like getting on for 500, and rising every day.

UN Report – 4Th jan, 1700h:
http://www.ochaopt.org/documents/ocha_opt_gaza_situation_report_2009_01_04_english.pdf

As of this evening, the MoH reports casualty figures since the beginning of the Israeli military operation on
27 December of 491 dead and approximately 2,400 injured, out of which figures, at least 20 percent of the
fatalities and 40 percent of the injuries are women and children.

Why should the ‘displaced’ Palestinians be forced to move elsewhere? Why should neighbouring states be forced to take them in?

Ask the UN, they created Israel, and there is a duty on all nations to accept refugees – wonder why this has not happened – as I said, victims of middle eastern realpolitik

I could quite easily counter with “why should Israel have to withdraw to the 1967 border, when its land that they rightfully won after being attacked by neighbouring states intent on their destruction – blame the other nations for attacking in the first place”…

Two sides to every story and all that!

Who “made” Israel in the first place?

An ancient novel explained that it was once inhabited by a certain people a thousand years ago. Then in the mid-twentieth century Terrorists blew up a hotel and committed terrorist acts against a war-weakened Britain. Freedom fighter and Terrorist- all have different meanings to certain people.