Another "why am I fat" thread…

Do people seriously still believe this is how it works?

Evidently so. Its like going back the 1980s.
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Around my fattest part, my belly button, I can pinch about an inch and a quarter. So there’s not a lot of subcutaneous fat on me. You can just about see my abs for the top half.

Most of it’s on the other side of the stomach muscles, which is why my belly goes in when I lose weight.

Incidentally today I’ve had some scrambled eggs with cheese, a sausage, a coffee and a handful of peanuts. Am I hungry? Not at all. Do I fancy a cake? Hell yes.

If I’d eaten that few calories in the form of cereal, I’d fancy a cake and I’d be bloody ravenous, thereby making it a lot harder to ignore the desire for cake!

I didn’t realise this thread was still going on…
Firstly @Kryton, yeah don’t radically change your diet or overly-restrict calorie intake in the run up to an endurance event
Secondly @solo – I fail to understand why you’re struggling with the concept so much. Fat is where the body stores excess energy, ergo if you change to having a calorie deficit where do you think it takes the balance from? It really isn’t rocket science. Trying to directly target fat stores can work but is often not the most efficient way of doing it as you’ll likely not be creating as big a calorie deficit as you would be by doing higher intensity exercise, especially for someone with limited time to exercise.
If you really want to target fat directly then get liposuction.

Fat is where the body stores excess energy, ergo if you change to having a calorie deficit where do you think it takes the balance from? It really isn’t rocket science.

But it is well known and been mentioned many times on here before that insulin inhibits use of stored fat for energy. Thus if the calories you have consumed cause the release of insulin then you will not burn fat.

Trying to directly target fat stores can work but is often not the most efficient way of doing it as you’ll likely not be creating as big a calorie deficit as you would be by doing higher intensity exercise,

You lost me on that one. HIIT targets fat way better than longer lower HR rides. So if you have limited time HIIT is ideal.

Isn’t mountain biking (in proper hilly/rocky terrain) often somewhat akin to HIIT anyway?

Admittedly I don’t know a lot about it but I was thinking about this on a ride in the Lakes last night and I generally go at certain sections of climbs really hard (say to get up a particularly steep/tricky bit with enough momentum), then ease off for a bit to rest where it gets less steep (still putting in quite a bit of effort – then there’s periods of sustained steady effort on flat bits etc.

Isn’t mountain biking (in proper hilly/rocky terrain) often somewhat akin to HIIT anyway?

Depends where you live.. Somewhere in the SE maybe, with short sharp climbs, but up North where each climb takes 10 mins, not so much.

F/W.
Sounds to me like you need to lay off the carbs mate. You’re blathering is of a biblical magnitude.

Oh, and you’re not answering my Qs.
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There still seems a lot of crap being typed about burning fat to, that’s irrelevant for someone trying to lose weight
That is bollocks ! But in your more recent jabberings:

ergo if you change to having a calorie deficit where do you think it takes the balance from?
Your fat stores, perhaps ? In which case, you will be burning fat.
Or, as I asked before, what else are you burning.

Anyway, OP wants to lose fat. And you’re saying, don’t use fat, just run a caloric deficit. Ever heard of a scientist from the 60s called Jean Mayer ? Jean starved rats to death (an extreme form of calorie deficit), only to find….. They still had fat in their bodies. What does this tell you ?

Solo – I’ll drop you a mail. IIRC you may have had to pay for the idave diet? If so just send me a summary as I’m interested in what its about atm – I don’t want to unfairly get something for free you’ve paid for.

I would just add, yet again I’ve returned from a ride after kind of following MolGrips advice – I’ve had 2 slices of toast at 7am, a cereal bar at 11, 2 coffee’s with total 2 spoons of can sugar – then on the bike at 12:30. Just done 35k in a 20kmph wind with an average of 18.1mph and 6 Strava records – all on climbs. 18.1mph average for me is good and the fastest this year.

Also, despite the “complaining” from my legs I’ve been able to happily wind up the gears – looking down on a flat at a Garmin to see myself rocking along at 24/25mph is a novelty to me.

Got to be more than a coincidence – I’m pretty convinced now the Race Weight diet didn’t suit me at all.

Edit: No food on the bike at all – just water with a std zipvit hydro tab. With the planned evening meal and luch I’ve just eaten Mfp puts me at 1900cals today

Kryton.

iDave released the 2 page .pdf doc for free. Based on his C.V. some folk approached him for more detailed/personalized information. Thats where things went wrong.

So, the basic iDave diet doc is free, at least from me.
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Depends where you live.. Somewhere in the SE maybe, with short sharp climbs, but up North where each climb takes 10 mins, not so much.

Yeah but like I said it’s not like each climb is of a consistent intensity – I often have short bursts of absolutely beasting myself to get up a short section then easing off, and repeat……

I often have short bursts of absolutely beasting myself

Steady on, you’ll hurt yourself.

in a 20kmph wind,

looking down on a flat at a Garmin to see myself rocking along at 24/25mph is a novelty to me.

Tailwinds are precious and beautiful things

Tailwinds are precious and beautiful things

Only if they’re your own.

FWIW, that 24/25mph value was on a flat travelling east to west. The wind is Southerly.

Into the wind I was at 18/19mph, with the wind about 27mph. The average has come down becuase of the 400m climbing I did.

I recently rode 4 hours, 64 miles. The largest climb was 1.7 miles, 656 ft, 12% in places. There were several other climbs too.

Set out fasted, on water, started eating at 2hrs 10 mins when I had 1/2 dozen mini scotch eggs. I was carrying coconut macaroons too, but didn’t need them.
I did have a 50/50 mix of none concentrate fruit juice and water in my second bottle, which I went into during the last 2 hrs.

Just a typical ride.

Good for you kryton57, ignore me, I’m just being silly ( and slightly jealous, went out last night in similar conditions and was no where near your figures)

Trust me Nick, I’m similalry surprised and haven’t achieved anything like that in the last 8 months.

Last year I average a 100k with a 18.2 mph average and was told on here that that wasn’t fast, and my club rides faster than me so I don’t consider that fast.

There may be an element of winter rides coming good, the roads being dry, warmth, shorts instead of longs which contributed as well 🙂

@Solo – I understand now why I can’t get rid of this belly. If I was planning a similar ride to yours prior to this week, I’d be eating a massive bowl of granola, carrying a high 5 energy drink, regularly eating fig rolls / jelly babies during the ride and at least one energy bar.

Looks like I need to re-learn what my body will allow me to cope with and trust it.

Edit: Proof here. Wind numbers where from Endo.

I found cutting out bread in my diet helped a lot with weight loss , and generally stopped me feeling bloated and farting all day

Hmm, so pros and cons then

are you hank or rob on endo kryton ?

Trail Rat – Hank – pork wah?

Edit *considers going out for another 5k* LOL!

Err OK perhaps I should have added (but assumed it would be stating the obvious) the 1600 (or whatever) calories you should be on need to be a balanced diet and not 1600 calories from jelly babies (apologies I made the mistake of assuming common-sense existed in STW…).
And seriously Solo wtf are you going on about? You were talking about targeting fat burning DURING exercise that was your whole point, my point was you don’t need to target burning fat DURING exercise in order to lose fat and that, given limited time to exercise, you would ultimately lose more weight (inc. fat) by including HIIT which DURING them isn’t the optimal way to target fat stores however their overall effect is creating a larger calorie deficit so post-exercise your body uses more calories replenishing glycogen stores rather than laying down more fat and the secondary effect of raising the BMR causing your body to use more calories repairing itself than it would be doing had you just done steady-state stuff.

..my point was you don’t need to target burning fat DURING exercise in order to lose fat and that, given limited time to exercise, you would ultimately lose more weight (inc. fat) by including HIIT which DURING them isn’t the optimal way to target fat stores however their overall effect is creating a larger calorie deficit so post-exercise your body uses more calories replenishing glycogen stores rather than laying down more fat and the secondary effect of raising the BMR causing your body to use more calories repairing itself than it would be doing had you just done steady-state stuff.

Well this goes against everything i’ve done. I used to do loads of HIIT, circuit training, running, intervals on the bike but didn’t really burn that much fat. When i changed my diet the fat fell off me

So i’d say it’s not exercise that wholly burns fat it’s your diet that turns you into a fat burning machine (also backed up by 2 fitness tests id 6 months apart – this gave my metabolic profile which showed prior to this diet i was rubbish at fat burning)

I am bearing down on you in number 3 – not really as ive done no recreational miles this week really other than a 10 miler on the TT bike to check function and position.

Kryton.

I’ve mailed the info you asked for. Whatever you decide to do, good luck.
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EDIT:
So i’d say it’s not exercise that wholly burns fat it’s your diet that turns you into a fat burning machine
This, very much. Get off relying on so much carb in your diet and your body will switch to using B/F, for everything, BMR, exercise, the lot.

trail_rat – Member
I am bearing down on you in number 3 – not really as ive done no recreational miles this week really other than a 10 miler on the TT bike to check function and position.

Thats good to hear 😉

Seriously though good luck – this mileage is unsual for me as normally work gets in the way, I’m working (coughs) flexibly though bit to get the miles in before BORS. You may find our roles are reversed as we get near the end of the month, plus I’ll revert to MTB rides to get the bike / skills ready for BORS….. 😐

Solo – many thanks – I replied.

@trickydisco – but were you creating a calorie deficit? If you were fuelling those sessions with fast carbs then you’re not creating a deficit.
Sure, above and beyond a balanced diet, there are specific ways of manipulating fat usage (e.g. ketosis) but they aren’t vital in order to start losing fat and are of marginal benefit if you aren’t creating a calorie deficit in the first place

@trickydisco – but were you creating a calorie deficit? If you were fuelling those sessions with fast carbs then you’re not creating a deficit.

haven’t a clue never have counted calories. but i do know I thought i was eating healthy.. lots of pasta, veg, wholemeal bread. Like i said i did a fitness test in the December and it came out at my base rate (125bpm) 42% of energy was coming from fats. Post diet (and a bit of training) this changed to 84%

what is BORS ?

i have how ever separated my commuting miles into the commuting challenge – they are an entirely different set of miles 😉 so you may not see our positions turn round. this weekends eaten by taking the mrs to the womans road race at garelochhead and then im doing a sprint tri on sunday.

If you were fuelling those sessions with fast carbs then you’re not creating a deficit.

When I was fuelling with carbs to the recommended levels, 1g/kg body weight/h then there was still a calorie deficit. You can’t eat enough carbs to replace all the energy you burn.

The point is that eating the carbs produces insulin which prevents the use of fat for fuel. If you don’t eat the carbs straight away then you’ll be burning much more fat when you are riding. This has knock on effects beyond the burning of fat during the exercise – it trains your fat burning metabolic pathways. So you will use more fat all the time, and be better able to burn fat generally through the day.

I used to find it impossible to go without breakfast or to eat a late lunch – both things are easy now.

trail_rat – Member
what is BORS ?

i have how ever separated my commuting miles into the commuting challenge – they are an entirely different set of miles so you may not see our positions turn round. this weekends eaten by taking the mrs to the womans road race at garelochhead and then im doing a sprint tri on sunday.

lol cheating eh? Mine really are cycling sport – I don’t commute by bike.

BORS – Bucks Off Road Sportive – 132k MTB on May 12. 😯

not at all – i seperated them out 😉

Last year I average a 100k with a 18.2 mph average and was told on here that that wasn’t fast

I wouldn’t believe half the things you read on here 😉 Against some club racers I know, that’ll put you off the back, against most of population, you’ll be settling down on the sofa having washed your bike and put it away before they show up….

trail_rat – Member
not at all – i seperated them out

Ah – you did already! Apologies I misunderstood – bloody hell well done!

Please tell me you have a part time job and no kids… 😉

Crikey, that idiet would need discipline…

5:2?

Full time job, no kids and a mrs who rides bikes as much as i do helps.

Only things that get in my way are when i travel for work , diy and my land rover.

Tomorrow’s breakfast was: 2 slices granary toast with butter, filter coffe with milk and sugar

Tomorrow’s breakfast is now: Poached egg, parma ham and chorizo, black filter coffee.

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Crikey, that idiet would need discipline…

It’s not as bad as you first think. You soon lose the craving for sweet stuff. You just need to make sure you eat enough of the permitted stuff to be full.

it’s been known for decades if not a couple of centuries that sugar makes people fat. It’s just so prevalent these days people generally have no idea how much of the stuff they’re consuming… until they try and go without it.

So are we agreed then?
1) To lose weight, calories in must be less than calories out.
2) High intensity work may use more calories, build muscle, raise BMR and help you lose weight. But you might not lose weight if you wolf down the carbs afterwards.
3) Becoming a fat-burning mile-munching machine takes a different approach to just losing weight. It might take longer but it’ll make you a better cyclist (lighter, more endurance, faster cruising speed) 4) If you do 2), it won’t help with number 3).
5) Eat nice food, prepared by your own fair hand if possible.
As an aside, I remember reading somewhere that a young Sean Yates was told off by his team manager for being tubby. To lose weight, he cleared all the food out of his apartment in Italy and took up a training regime that consisted of massive long rides to the coast where he ate a pizza, then rode back home to a bare larder. Nutter.