Abergeldie Castle – could it be saved from the Dee?

Little bit of a thread diversion but a friend of mine took these of Cockermouth Castle a few weeks ago…

Photos taken to show the devastating effect that the 2015 Floods have had on Cockermouth's most historical landmark, &…

Posted by Jaye Adams – Lake District Makeup Artist on Tuesday, December 15, 2015

Work is already underway to shore up the missing bank.

I’m amazed the Cambus bridge survived – though “survived” may be a relative term looking at the shape it’s in.

Gonna be a lot of river crossings this year

Is Ballater cut off?

I’m amazed the Cambus bridge survived – though “survived” may be a relative term looking at the shape it’s in.

Being so flexible might have saved it – looks as if the towers are okay, the deck needs rebuilding. A lot of work, but nowhere near as much as rebuilding it.

Is Ballater cut off?

No, the “Aberdeen” and “Tomintoul” roads are open but the road to Braemar is closed (and from the pictures I think will be for a long time).

There was certainly flooding earlier in the Blairgowrie area with road closures, which I think means Braemar is pretty close to cut off.

are there any problems for folks traveling from England up to the Puffer

Scotroutes; any word on the new bridge at Derry Lodge? Or we back to using the tree( which was a sod with a bike)

Found it on Cairngorm Walker,still there!

Ta Poly

trout – Member
are there any problems for folks traveling from England up to the Puffer

Trains from the south via Glasgow are affected.
As above, avoid travelling via ballater 😀

If it affects englanders going to the puffer…. They should throw their sat nav in the bin and look at a map.

Drive down A9 yesterday, train track is missing somewhere N of Pitlochry so bus service between Perth and Inverness afaik. Aviemore was reasonably dry last few days but as soon as we got to Dunkeld it was all on. Thoughts for all those affected.

Thank you TRAT for your very helpful post

Trout – no issues if driving, unless you take the uber scenic tour via East coast.

Is it just me that thinks if it falls down, he can build something else on the land without having to bother with all the listed nonsense that’s such a hindrance to wealthy folk?

Saves an ‘accidental’ fire and all the unwelcome interest that follows.

If it affects englanders going to the puffer…. They should throw their sat nav in the bin and look at a map.

Thank you TRAT for your very helpful post

I thought it was helpful considering Strathpeffer is in a completely different part of the country to Crathie. You might as well have asked if the floods in Cumbria would stop someone from Edinburgh getting to Lincoln.

As for the permissions, there is a rule that says anything built within a certain time period must be the same hence all the gap sites in Glasgow from “mysterious fires”.

So is the castle still standing?

He could put it on Ebay – “buyer must collect”.

Is the castle still there today?

I’d want to know where exactly I’m collecting it from

Still there. Here’s the latest drone footage.

http://www.newsflare.com/video/59929/weather-nature/breaking-news-abergeldie-castle-storm-frank-050115

The marshes round Kincraig / Kingussie always look like they’re trying to reclaim the railway line!
[ Edit – from NZCol’s post looks like it’s at least as affected N of Pitlochry.. ]

train travel between Inverness and Perth is indeed cancelled, passengers being bussed. Son was travelling to Glasgow – reconnected with train at Perth. Word was that Aberdeen Inverness line may go under water soon – that may not happen though.

£100,00 has been secured from Scottish Business in the Community (SBC) to try to protect historic Abergeldie Castle, which is at risk of collapsing into the swollen River Dee.
The castle’s owners were forced to evacuate the 16th century A-listed tower house on Sunday, after the river swept away about 60ft (18m) of land behind the property, leaving it only a few feet from the water.
The funding has allowed a team to get undertake initial work.
Aberdeenshire Council said further financing was an issue for the owner and insurers.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-35231876

How many other homeowners/businesses have had a cash injection to save their home workplace? one rule for the gentry and another for the working person.

How many other homeowners are in A-listed buildings though bruneep?

Bear in mind there are a LOT of downsides to living with a listed building as well.

Perish the thought that they might have to sell off some land to pay for repairs!

Yep I’m sure he could sell off a few acres to Tesco or MaccieDs.

The funding has allowed a team to get undertake initial work.

I’m surprised they haven’t already started work – it’s VERY close to the edge!

So The Baron of Abergeldie, a friend and neighbour of the Royal family is given a large sum of money by a charity whose President is the Prince of Wales.

No one forced him to live in a listed building, he has others.

It looks more like April than January based on that drone footage.

Perish the thought that they might have to sell off some land to pay for repairs!

And how quickly do you think that would get cash in the bank? Honest question.

Second question, who would want it?

No one forced him to live in a listed building, he has others.

And his annual bills for maintaining this particular building will be huge – he doesn’t have to pay them either, but he does.
Would you have a different point of view if this building was owned by a charity, for example?
Disregarding the this particular event, would you prefer it if [in general] a country’s heritage was left to rot?

I dunno. What do other folk do when they have an asset and need money. Get a loan using the asset as security? Get a loan pending sale of the asset? What are all the other flood victims having to do at the moment – or is this magic charity funding on a “first come, first served” basis?

Second question, who would want it?

Seems like there’s still a market for estates in Scotland
http://search.savills.com/list/property-for-sale/scotland/highlands#/r/list/property-for-sale%252Fscotland%252Fhighlands%252Fgbp

Tanera Mor for £2M 😯 I wonder if I could find some loose change down the back of the sofa

So The Baron of Abergeldie, a friend and neighbour of the Royal family is given a large sum of money by a charity whose President is the Prince of Wales.

yep, the Establishment taking care of its own.

Not sure handing out £100k to prop up an old house is part of the SBC remit.

Scottish Business in the Community (SBC) works with our members and partners to strengthen communities so people can thrive, businesses can flourish sustainably and Scotland is a greener place in which to live.

http://www.sbcscot.com/%5B/url%5D

is this magic charity funding on a “first come, first served” basis?

I don’t know, do you have any reason to think that it isn’t?

See the post above yours 😆

And his annual bills for maintaining this particular building will be huge – he doesn’t have to pay them either, but he does.

He doesn’t have a choice about that, as the owner of a listed building it is his legal responsibility to maintain it. If he doesn’t the local authority can have the work carried out under an Urgent Repairs Notice and recover the money from him through the courts.

I dunno. What do other folk do when they have an asset and need money. Get a loan using the asset as security? Get a loan pending sale of the asset? What are all the other flood victims having to do at the moment – or is this magic charity funding on a “first come, first served” basis?

Second question, who would want it?
Seems like there’s still a market for estates in Scotland
http://search.savills.com/list/property-for-sale/scotland/highlands#/r/list/property-for-sale%252Fscotland%252Fhighlands%252Fgbp

Tanera Mor for £2M I wonder if I could find some loose change down the back of the sofa

Still takes time though. And yes, people want estates, generally the ones that aren’t suffering significant erosion though 😉

Absolutely scandalous. Had a look at their website, back in December the released £40k to help hard hit rural communities but magic’ed £100k out of the arse to help the laird at the drop of a hat.

http://www.sbcscot.com/new-fund-offers-help-for-scotlands-devastated-flood-hit-rural-communities/

I’d imagine this won’t be the end of the matter given the prevailing mood in Scotland.