A new political class

My kids 25,23,19,18 have historically been non political- they all voted to remain and are more than slightly annoyed – angry would best describe it. Now they don’t really have a view on old school politics (don’t really know who Thatcher, Blair etc are) so they don’t have a left/right political view. They now have no time or respect for the perceived mass voters (pensioners, benefits class, non graduates in many cases) who took Europe away from them.

It should be noted they are a significant number of them and they recieve on the whole little or nothing in the way of benefits (quite the opposite as many have student debt)

They were not quite strong enough to swing the vote in the referendum however this is not the case in a general election as proportional representation means nothing.

So it’s 2017 and the Tories win a landslide with a combination of Brexit and the new political class – step forward to 2021 and tax receipts are on there arse, unemployment and low pay no progression jobs are the norm for the new political class who are now on the whole 30 years old- when the Tory Government of he day says we must cut pensions/benefits back to subsistence living are the new political class going to rise up and defend the old and unemployed? Like **** are they

The UK has changed politically but not in the way the a Brexiteers expected

The UK has changed politically but not in the way the a Brexiteers expected

Would that be the Politician Brexiteers or the Brexiteers Voters?

IMO the Politicians didn’t have a plan, except to get into power, and the Voters were just anti-Politics and had no idea that a plan was needed…

If you treat people like animals, they behave as such.
Blaming people is easy.

The cult of the self is now the norm.
People are proud of behaviour that previously would have been seen as reprehensible. Social responsibility is seen as weakness, caring about others a character flaw.

The political and social legitimisation of greed, combined with the deliberate disenfranchisment of the working class?
This is what you get.

Just wait for the top generations of populace to die off. Those that blindly vote Tory because of “what labour did in the 70s”. The younger generations are now better informed than the old and are losing their political apathy at an earlier age. Tory and labour are both on borrowed time. I think you’ll see a lot more multi party coalitions. The current government know this is coming and are trying to line their own pockets at the expense of the working classes and the sick.

No telly in your house in the nineties?

BOOOORIIIING

I think they’re here already!!!

https://www.facebook.com/To-Hell-with-Political-Correctness-934007073306965/?fref=nf&pnref=story

I just saw this. It was the poorer workers what done it –

http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/07/brexit-voters-are-not-thick-not-racist-just-poor/?ref=yfp

I’ve been assuming it was the biggest protest vote I’ve ever seen, perhaps a way of saying ‘get this stitched’ to DC.

pensioners, benefits class, non graduates

OP i suggest the first thing they do is understand the above is a false and ludicrous steriotype, secondly that they try and appeciate that the EU is unlike any other “trade” organisation in the world and that that is not a good quality.

As for the future no one has a crystal ball but consider this scenario, the 2020 election takes place in an environment where we have exited the EU and are starting to see the benfots of new global relationships. Against this backdrop Europe is in a deep eurozone crises, Greece has left the euro and the other members are nursing €200bn is losses with Portugal, Spain and Italy on the brink with unemployment running at 15%. Remainers of all ages realise we are better off out of that mess and the Tories sweep to victory.

I’ll have whatever jamba’s drinking,I haven’t tripped like that in 40 years.

^^ Jamba’s wet dream right there…

New political class…. Nah.
No respect for the old, unemployed, less well educated workers…… we’ve seen it all before. Thatcher anyone?

They now have no time or respect for the perceived mass voters (pensioners, benefits class, non graduates in many cases) who took Europe away from them.

EU values would promote respect for all, as would democratic values.

Perhaps they’ve spent a lot of time online reading their friends shared links, exposed to the echochambers of various forums, facebook groups etc. and don’t appreciate the nuances to the “leave” arguments – having not been exposed to them (aside, of course, from straw-man image macros).

I’d be angry with those who hold the actual power, rather than the fellow commoner, if I were in their position – divide & conquer innit? 😉

So we had a peasants revolt? What happens next? Let’s be honest this group of people on the whole couldn’t be arsed to vote in the last election?

All of them?
Wow.

Blaming the poor for everything used to just be the preserve of a certain kind of unpleasant, snobbish fool.
Isn’t it so much nicer now we can all join in?

The younger generations are now better informed than the old and are losing their political apathy at an earlier age.

64% of 18-24 year olds didn’t vote in the EU Referendum.

The point I am trying to make is that if this protest group feels down trodden then this is actually going to make life worse as they have no political support under the current system – so are they going to take their protest to the street?

Let’s see. The referendum was only advisory, and there’s been a backlash. Son-of-Dave may choose to ignore it after a few opinion polls show a majority for remain. And heirs-of-Boris haven’t come up with a plan. Meanwhile the EU are discovering it’s not only the UK that’s expressing doubts, so may offer an olive branch.

If Labour weren’t so busy stabbing their leader in the back, they’d be getting stuck into the Tories. Let this amateur coup get sidelined, then Chilcot will shut them up, and JC can start acting like a leader. As Nicola has been since day one.

Another three weeks, I’d guess.

so are they going to take their protest to the street?

Well if almost two-thirds of 18-24 years couldn’t be bothered to stroll down to their local polling stations for a once-in-a-lifetime referendum vote then I wouldn’t rely on too many of them manning the barricades.

This isn’t the 1960s you know.

They have better things to think about – such as unattainable dreams of becoming rich and famous.

Bang on Ernie.

So how does a protest vote work when it hands power to the very people who are most likely to reduce even further the rights and wellbeing of the working poor?

So how does a protest vote work when it hands power to the very people who are most likely to reduce even further the rights and wellbeing of the working poor?

which is also what a lot of people think the goal of the EU is.

A lot of these older voters have seen the whole history of signing up to the common market, the expansion of the EU, the political aspirations of the EU, how the EU has stuffed the southern countries of Europe, etc, and have made a judgement based on that.

But apparently not, we should be trusting the politically naive youth.

Look at the voting stats, the older voters were, the greater the leave vote.

It would be nice for the current parties to be able to divorce some of their history, choosing your vote today based on thatcher, Blair or what clegg may or may not have done is pointless and leads to the deep divisions across politics. For the young get involved, make it conversation and shape your own future.

Seriously OP? If people in their 20’s do not remember Blair or have an idea who Thatcher was I would say they are dangerously ignorant and not equipped to make an informed choice about EU membership. You seem to be suggesting that their opinions should carry more weight than older people (particularly non graduates).
Maybe they should educate themselves about democracy, learn to respect others and wind their collective necks in!

Did any of these precious souls actually make any effort to win over Leave voters before the referendum?

Not saying that this new political class is smart or well educated in politics or the EU but the fact is the exit voters are not likely to prosper and as I have said elsewhere it’s those who didn’t vote to leave who will prosper- the division between the haves and have not sure will get bigger as no one in power gives a rats ass about the working/or not poor

but the fact is the exit voters are not likely to prosper and as I have said elsewhere it’s those who didn’t vote to leave who will prosper- the division between the haves and have not sure will get bigger as no one in power gives a rats ass about the working/or not poor

That’s a fact is it? Really? I don’t know if you’ve noticed but this Tory government whilst in Europe has been hitting the poorest and most vulnerable in society again and again. The young who voted to remain as you say have had no favours either tuition fees set to rise, high cost of housing, minimum wage a real prospect for most with no hours contracts to boot. I think you live in a dream world mate.

oldmanmtb – Member

My kids 25,23,19,18

Four kids?
How horribly selfish.

They are all anti democracy then? Maybe they would be happier in north Korea.

Where were steriotype benfots?

The NPC are at it again:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-36693136

Mitsumonkey I agree the Tories have been doing this to the poorest but my point is that group of people voted for Brexit handing more power and less accountability to the Tories or are we going to see a massive resurgence of the Labour left?

Four kids yes selfish but all bought and paid for…

and less accountability to the Tories

Out of the EU all UK governments will be more accountable, include Tory governments.

So how many people reading this the thread think the poor (working and not) will benefit from Brexit.

What people are ignoring is the fact that as individuals age, they become more conservative. Many of the insular and fearful oldies who voted leave would have been on here opining on common good and global responsibilities when they were younger.

So it is ourselves who will be that older generation soon, and we can expect our views to be out of kilter with the radical young. Humbug.

So how many people reading this the thread think the poor (working and not) will benefit from Brexit

Yes it’s like they’ve shot themselves in the foot isn’t it. Complain about the Polish taking their jobs but at least there were jobs to be taken. Not so sure any more.

Well if almost two-thirds of 18-24 years couldn’t be bothered to stroll down to their local polling stations for a once-in-a-lifetime referendum vote then I wouldn’t rely on too many of them manning the barricades.

This +1

If they want to blame someone, they should lay the blame at their friends, not the old.

Agree muffin man but the question remains will the poor suffer due to Brexit, we have probably got many years of Tory rule ahead of us (with a majority)

Recent polling indicates that young people did turn out and vote.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/02/brexit-referendum-voters-survey

Someones got their figures massively wrong! On Tuesday it was 36%…

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/28/young-people-bad-voting-millennials-eu-vote-politics

…from 36% to 70% turnout in the space of a few days. Someones massively cocked-up, or the young who didn’t vote are now claiming they did when surveyed. And no one can prove otherwise.

^^ Jamba’s wet dream right there…

Aah…
His typing left handed would help explain the spelling errors that turn half his posts into utter gibberish.

The other half? Well…