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  • SurroundedByZulus
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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-12910636

    A 98-year-old man has appeared in private at Perth Sheriff Court on two charges of attempted murder.

    Sylvester Nowak is alleged to have used an axe and a knife to try to kill two female police officers at his home in Birch Row, Scone, on Tuesday afternoon.

    The 98-year-old, who is believed to be the oldest person ever to be held in custody by Scottish police, made no plea or declaration.

    Mr Nowak was sent to Murray Royal psychiatric hospital to be assessed.

    The assessment order lasts 28 days.

    In a private hearing before Sheriff Peter Hammond, the Polish war veteran was accused of severely injuring PC Shona Beattie, 42, and attempting to murder her by stabbing her on the arm with a knife.

    He was also alleged to have tried to murder her colleague PC Katie Deas, 23, by attempting to strike her head and body with a knife and an axe.
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    Proceedings were delayed until the end of the court roll, as Mr Nowak was said to have severe difficulty with his hearing.

    An attempt was made to move the case to a different courtroom with specialised infra-red circuitry for people with hearing aids.

    However, Nowak was still said to be unable to hear sufficiently and the case was delayed for a further two hours, and moved back to the original courtroom.

    It has emerged that the pensioner, who lives on his own in the Perthshire village of Scone, had been in hospital at Perth Royal Infirmary until the day before the alleged incident.

    A Tayside Police spokesman confirmed that officers had been called to his address after a carer had called in to report concerns about his welfare.

    A force spokesman said: “By the nature of the job officers are sometimes faced with dangers. One officer has been left with a significant arm injury.

    “The other officer was uninjured. Officers had attended at the address because there were concerns for an elderly man’s welfare. It was a carer that raised the alarm.

    “Two officers attended, which would be deemed appropriate. This incident happened upon their arrival and then a number of further officers attended at the scene to assist.”

    Mr Nowak, who is known locally as Eddie, formerly worked as a welder for a coachworks firm in Perthshire and was formerly a prisoner of the Nazis during the war.

    Are police really that soft that they cant handle a 98yr old man? I do not see what public benefit charging this guy with two lots of attempted murder is going to have.

    mastiles_fanylion
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    Your dad?

    SurroundedByZulus
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    No, my dad is dead.

    epicyclo
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    Probably thought the Nazis were back for him..

    mastiles_fanylion
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    Guess it isn’t your dad then.

    donsimon
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    Police probably didn’t want to touch him because of things like this!. Spain has a law that prohibits sending people to jail after a certain age which means you see a lot of people of a certain age killing their spouse! 😯

    dr_death
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    Could’ve been dementia, or delerium or any other cause. Just discharged from hospital at 98 is likely to cause slight confsion/upset due to change of surroundings, add in an untreated/not fully treated infection and you have a recipe for confusion.

    (Also for those that will say how did two burly coppers not get the better of a 98 year old man, have you ever seen a little old lady with a urinary tract infection? They go crazy and have the strength of a bear – I wouldn’t want to face one armed with a knife and an axe!)

    Munqe-chick
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    MMmm I just saw the mention of knife and an axe .. have you ever tried to tackle someone with weapons like that, 98 years old or not? Police officers aren’t super human, street bobbies DO NOT have super power weapons to disarm people like this. Have you ever encountered someone with mental health problmes? PTSD? On drugs? It is all good and well taking the pi** but believe me until you have been in that situation you just would not understand.

    julianwilson
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    I can’t remember the diferences between the mental health act in scotland and england/wales, but it is certain that even if the old guy was drooling mad, they had to actually arrest him for something so they could take him away since he was in his own home (in england you would otherwise have to get a magistrate’s warrant via a social worker, which takes aaaaages and necessitates old man getting really shirty whilst police stay at his house until warrant plus social worker are produced. Or they nick him for something and then have him assessed in the cells. They wouldn’t have then needed to charge him though: I wonder if this bit is different in scotland?)

    As to being wounded by a 98 year old, I reckon SBZ would be able to put someone on their arse from beyond the grave,never mind 98.

    donsimon
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    It is all good and well taking the pi**

    Not taking the anything, a thread started by SBZ? That can only mean one thing!!!

    thegreatape
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    Do we know how ‘burly’ these WPC’s were? I think the public benefit of charging him is that charging him means he goes before the court, who can then get him the psychiatric assessment and help he may need, before he or anyone else gets hurt.

    julianwilson
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    the greatape, in england/wales they could have done that without him being formally charged and appearing in court, by the FME requesting a Mental Health Act Assessment and then going straight to hospital from police cells.

    Perhaps in scotland you can’t though?

    thegreatape
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    What Julian said about warrants and so on is correct. In Scots law, once someone has been arrested for something they pretty much have to be charged, notwithstanding the greater powers a court has to get someone quickly into a suitable place if mental health is an issue.

    thegreatape
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    We posted at the same time. Yes, you can do that in Scotland, and would do just that for someone detained under mental health act powers. However, as I said, as soon as he’s arrested (arrest in Scotland is slightly different to E&W, we have detention as well) he has to be charged basically.

    julianwilson
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    …ooooh, english Mental Health Act FTW then 😀

    thegreatape
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    There isn’t much difference really, well not so far as the bits that concern the police go anyway. I think the difference is probably more in police procedures. In England there is a bit more flexibility for the police to be able switch from the offence/suspect/charge and off to court road to the mental health/patient/straight to hospital do not pass court road. The procedures are much more rigid in Scotland. If that makes sense?

    Junkyard
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    Could’ve been dementia, or delerium or any other cause

    so you have narrowed it down to absolutely anything then….you are sherlock holmes and I claim my five guinea.

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