49mph in a 40mph limit

captainsasquatch – Member

49 is excessive if you driving in the build up area … A50.

You’ll have to show your workings on this one. [/quote]

If you google Warrington business park map that place is surrounded by houses … 😛

If you google Warrington business park map that place is surrounded by houses …

Many motorways and dual carriageways are surrounded by houses….

If you google Warrington business park map that place is surrounded by houses …

One day, my little cherub, I’ll teach you about the indefinite, the definite and where not to use the article. 😀

captainsasquatch – Member

If you google Warrington business park map that place is surrounded by houses …

One day, my little cherub, I’ll teach you about the indefinite, the definite and where not to use the article.[/quote]

So where were you caught then since you think you should be allowed to drive at 49 in 40 zone?

Show me on the google map … 😛

my little cherub

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Being fined only if you don’t cause an accident is more ridiculous.

Luckily that’s not the case.

If people are amazing machines able to judge so well then it’s very puzzling me as to why I’ve pulled so many dead or dying ones out of cars.

Bus and truck drivers have to do periodic retraining, it’s called driver cpc (certificate of professional competence)
I believe its to be introduced for taxi drivers and van drivers soon too.
35 hours of training gets you a five year certificate which looks like a blue driving licence.
Would it be worth car drivers being offered discounted insurance if they did this?
Voluntarily of course, or make it compulsary if someone gets caught driving like a tit on more than one occasion.

I drive for a living, (long distance coach) and having spoken to managers from several of the companies ive worked for over the years, one of the things ive heard them say consistently is ‘accidents are caused by distractions’
Hence most companies having strict rules about wearing headphones, using a mobile, playing the radio, eating/drinking behind the wheel etc
The drivers who frighten me the most are the ones who appear distracted, whether by their phone or passenger or whatever,
Speed on its own doesn’t worry me too much, I rarely do it, one of the perks of my job is the 62mph speed limiter fitted to coaches by law, once you get used to that 70 in your own car feels fast.

Speed on its own doesn’t worry me too much, I rarely do it, one of the perks of my job is the 62mph speed limiter fitted to coaches by law, once you get used to that 70 in your own car feels fast.

I guess not all coaches are fitted with one of these limiters.

Would it be worth car drivers being offered discounted insurance if they did this?
Voluntarily of course, or make it compulsary if someone gets caught driving like a tit on more than one occasion.

I’d like to see it made mandatory across the board, TBH.

All buses and coaches manufactured after 1985 are.
They could exceed the limit going down a hill though, due to weight.

The coaches I have been on most certainly are not limited to 62 (Oxford Tube, National Express, Woking-Hathrow Link)

£300 for 49 in a 40 sounds like the area is designated residential

3 points and a 300 quid fine with no option of driver course (on a first offence).
I apologise to the world for being a horrendous driver and driving at 49mph on a Warrington business park. I have learnt my lesson and business parks across the country will be safer from now on.
Use my money wisely.

At least you know which lanes are which. 😉

Would it be worth car drivers being offered discounted insurance if they did this?
Voluntarily of course, or make it compulsary if someone gets caught driving like a tit on more than one occasion.
I’d like to see it made mandatory across the board, TBH.

I’m in complete agreement with this. I’d happily take a refresher every five years. Say £100 for time with a qualified driving examiner. I think people need to remember that driving is a privilege, not a right.

Camera van, not seen until creat was crested. I´m not contesting the crime, just the sentence. As noticed, 300 quid, ooft!

Just pondering this…

If you couldn’t see the camera van until after you crested the hill this means this is a blind crest/summit. I wouldn’t be speeding towards a blind crest… that way lies danger (head on collisions, fallen cyclists, dead bodies, carnage etc.).

I would guess you haven’t taken extra lessons such as roadcraft as taught to blue light drivers, IAM etc. So perhaps you’re not aware of the danger at this point (I seem to recall it mentioned in the Highway Code but don’t have a copy to hand), but good driving skills would have you slowing down and moving to the nearside on the approach to a blind crest & not maintaining a speed 22% over the limit (not having a specific dig here just rehashing someone else’s words to make a point).

A good rule would be to never exceed any speed that does not allow you to safely stop in the distance you can see to be clear on your side of the road.

I actually agree that it is a great shame you weren’t offered a driver/speed awareness course but not for the reason you state – for the sake of a clean licence, but rather because I think you’d actually learn something.

Was it a 300 fine, or a 200 fine, 20 victim surcharge and 80 court costs?

People with cheap cars and small engines should have to stick rigourously to the speed limits. Those of us that buy fast powerful cars are usually better drivers and so the limits should not apply.

Also bigger engines mean we pay more to use the roads, and as such should be allowed to go faster.

I personally think that anyone who drives a car with less that 120bhp should be made to have an orange sticker on their car to alert all the better more serious drivers to the upcoming hazard, and by law be made to pull over on a single lane road to let us pass. This alone would massively decrease the amount of B road accidents caused by overtaking these inconsiderate bimblers.

roadcraft

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Oh yeah..! 😀

If you couldn’t see the camera van until after you crested the hill this means this is a blind crest/summit. I wouldn’t be speeding towards a blind crest… that way lies danger (head on collisions, fallen cyclists, dead bodies, carnage etc.).

Traffic ahead of me hitting brake lights, plumes of smoke, accident noises and the ubiquitous wheel bouncing up the road would all indicate a problem ahead. Bird singing and lambkins frollicking in the central reservation indicated all was well.

A good rule would be to never exceed any speed that does not allow you to safely stop in the distance you can see to be clear on your side of the road.

If you drop to 10mph on a hairpin bend, you’re more of a danger than a pissed footballer in a Bentley.

there is a good reason for speed limits in industrial areas, if everyone was doing 50 – 60 then the lorrys would never get out of junctions

Am I the only one worried that the OP needs to concentrate less on speeding and more on earning a reasonably salary?

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Yes, the rest of us class £600 a week as more than reasonable.

Ah a disguised humble brag.

Drac – Moderator

Luckily that’s not the case.

Not exclusively, but routinely.

If people are amazing machines able to judge so well then it’s very puzzling me as to why I’ve pulled so many dead or dying ones out of cars.

Not puzzling at all. People cease to use their abilities to judge in favour of fiddling with their phone/sat nav/radio et cetera.
It’s almost as if people have lost their sense of responsibility whilst crashing within the speed limit… 💡

funkmasterp – Member

I’m in complete agreement with this. I’d happily take a refresher every five years. Say £100 for time with a qualified driving examiner. I think people need to remember that driving is a privilege, not a right.

I’ve already mentioned the excellent RoSPA driving course (although it’s three years not five), and someone even linked to the RoSPA website.

Unfortunately I’d imagine the number of posters here that will take it up will be approx. equal to the square root of **** all.

*Prove me wrong.

*Misquoting for cheap shots will incur abuse. ➡

If only there were gizmos on say lampposts, that automatically limited engine speed to conform with decided top speed, as vehicle drivers drove by… 😉

We would all be paying more VAT and/or other taxes to make up the governemnt money shortfall! 😆

me wrong

Yes you are 😉

Traffic ahead of me hitting brake lights, plumes of smoke, accident noises and the ubiquitous wheel bouncing up the road would all indicate a problem ahead. Bird singing and lambkins frollicking in the central reservation indicated all was well.

If you drop to 10mph on a hairpin bend, you’re more of a danger than a pissed footballer in a Bentley

Wow, it’s a shame you got the fine because you really, really need a driver improvement course.

The issue with driver refresh courses or improvement courses of making it worth people’s while.

I hold D1 and D1E (minibus and trailer), tested. Like pcv or hgv tests its a higher standard of driving, tested for an hour. I took IAM training as well, and worked training or drivers at the outdoor centre, with retired traffic officer.

My insurers are not interested in any of this, and never have. The colour of my car according to them is more important than hours of additional driver training and tested skills.

I was surprised that any business park has a 40mph limit, they’re usually 30 or less. But mention of the crest suggests the dual carriageway that runs parallel to the business park? I think I know exactly where you were!

Go on, try it. Chewkw did and failed miserably. So much of Warrington looks the same, it’s a horrible place to drive around.
Wow, indeed, bails. 😛

Birchwood?

If you drop to 10mph on a hairpin bend

Google map link to the place you’re referring to, please.

We now know what bearnecessities does for a living.
Extra points for car make and colour. 😛

Google map link to the place you’re referring to, please.

Do grow up! 🙄

So many excuses for speeding, it is like the old days with Safespeed!

Even down to the assumptions made about those who disagree with their idealogy!

£600 pw is £30k pa so only just over the average earnings, although the new fines will really only impact PAYE as anyone working for themselves will just ‘frig’ their payslip.

The issue with driver refresh courses or improvement courses of making it worth people’s while.

Surely the benefit is from being less likely to incur higher insurance costs following a crash or speeding fine. Though not as up front and obvious as an insurance discount.

But driving history is a more accurate guide in the long term anyway. Anyone (or almost anyone) can pass an advanced driving course and still choose to drive badly.

£600 pw is £30k pa so only just over the average earnings, although the new fines will really only impact PAYE as anyone working for themselves will just ‘frig’ their payslip.

Well they’ve certainly cocked up their maths there. I wonder whether they’ve got any other figures wrong that could be challenged.

Didn’t they give you any kind of breakdown of how the fine was calculated?

If it’s means-based then I’d definitely want to check the figures!

Does “growing up” mean making up silly shit to post on the internet? If so I think I’ll pass.

Does “growing up” mean making up silly shit to post on the internet? If so I think I’ll pass.

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