49mph in a 40mph limit

3 points and a 300 quid fine with no option of driver course (on a first offence).
I apologise to the world for being a horrendous driver and driving at 49mph on a Warrington business park. I have learnt my lesson and business parks across the country will be safer from now on.
Use my money wisely.

Hang your head in shame for endangering all those business-kiddies going to work on the business park.

[STW]If only there was a way you could have avoided this happening…..[/STW]

Camera van?

300 quid? ooft.

Cripes…£300…that is steep.

EDIT: Did someone with a dashcam report you? 😀

[STW]If only there was a way you could have avoided this happening…..[/STW]

How do you suggest I influence the court´s decision making and pennalty handing our process?
Camera van, not seen until creat was crested. I´m not contesting the crime, just the sentence. As noticed, 300 quid, ooft!

EDIT: Did someone with a dashcam report you?

That would have a certain irony that would make me smile.

suck it up buttercup

seems harsh. I’ve had a speed awareness course for 43 in a 30.

what area?

I wonder who decides on whether it’s a speed awareness course or not?
49 is >22% over the speed limit, so furry muff on the fine.

But, when I did a speed awareness course (34 in a 30 m’lud) there was a woman there who had been caught doing 38 in a 30. The bloke who was teaching the course didn’t believe her but she had the letter to prove it.

Ask to pay it in instalments.

what area?

Warrington, where most of the Warrington business parks are. 😛

howsyourdad1 – Member

suck it up buttercup
He dishes it out, we wonder whether he can take it, like a man.

Did you contest it? EDIT: I see not.

£300 sounds unusual for a first offence FPN.

EDIT again:

http://www.theaa.com/driving-advice/legal/fixed-penalty

A 300 quid penalty appears to apply to no insurance.

I was recently caught for my 1st offence doing 51 in a 40. Got the speed awareness course booked for March.
I am aware this doesn’t help you!

sorry was playing devil’s advocate. I still don’t have any sympathy though 😀

Didn’t fines policy change a few weeks ago?

Minimum is £100 and 3 points now

Bring back hanging.

Nah, but that’s a fair cop innit. Well over the limit – doesn’t matter if it’s a school for baby robins or a war zone.

As above ^^^ suck it up.

£300 sounds unusual for a first offence FPN.

Indeed it does…online calculators are saying £100. Do you have existing points?

EDIT: nickc: Didn’t fines policy change a few weeks ago?

Ah, maybe they did. If so, then existing online calculators may need updating.

I´m not contesting the crime, just the sentence. As noticed, 300 quid, ooft!

I agree. £500 might have been better.

Didn’t fines policy change a few weeks ago?

I can see something relating to speeding dealt with by magistrates, but not FPN.

Those are court guidelines, unless Cheshire police can look up how much the OP is earning. <Puts on tin foil hat>.

Those are court guidelines, unless Cheshire police can look up how much the OP is earning. <Puts on tin foil hat>.

details filled in when replying to letters from the rozzers/courts.
Put the foil away.

Welsh websites, but assuming they are still relevant….?

This website has a table a little way down explaining the new banding of speeding fines:

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/local-news/how-penalties-speeding-offences-changing-12500446

3 points & a Band A fine for 49 in a 40…..

Here’s some information on the fine banding:

https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/explanatory-material/item/fines-and-financial-orders/approach-to-the-assessment-of-fines-2/2-fine-bands/

So it looks like you might have got 50% of your relevant weekly income – band A is 25-75% of your relevant weekly income, with a starting point of 50%.
How they determine your relevant weekly income, I don’t know….tax code?

Edit – Drac was quicker than me….! And with a better table…..

He mentions a court decision.

How do you suggest I influence the court´s decision making

Other posters claimed FPN.

£300 seems pretty steep – though I think fixed fines in general are a pretty crap way to enforce the law. (Disproportionate punishment of the poor).

Having said that I work in a business park and I regularly see people doing 60+ despite the fact there are roundabouts and pedestrians crossing regularly. I cross the road twice a day myself and it’s blooming scary at times.

details filled in when replying to letters from the rozzers/courts.
Put the foil away.

Aha. Now you have your answer…there was no enquiry of that kind a few years back when I was picked on driving like a dick.

So police are now allowed to fine tune their FPNs to take account of income? I wonder what happens if you put zero in the relevant box?

He mentions a court decision.

Perhaps OP could clarify. Has he stood up in front of a magistrate or three, or was this dealt with by way of FPN (SP30)?

I wonder who decides on whether it’s a speed awareness course or not?

Local police forces. Lancashire falls in line with ACPO guidelines, which is 10% +2. So in a 40mph zone you’d be offered a course at 41-46mph. Dunno about Cheshire but they’re probably similar.

At 49mph though, your speedo was probably reading ~55mph.

I wonder what happens if you put zero in the relevant box?

Assuming you’re not lying, I’d expect they’d give you more points instead.

Perhaps OP could clarify. Has he stood up in front of a magistrate or three, or was this dealt with by way of FPN (SP30)?

All done from the comfort of the sofa and the great postal service we have in this country.

At 49mph though, your speedo was probably reading ~55mph.

Maybe, maybe not, but when the office called to give me the good news, I´m sure I made reference to 49mph, so kind of knew.
So, if it´s a percentage of weekly, then that makes more sense of the numbers. Lack of driving course is more frustrating. I get the points and can´t be a smug git about having a clean licence any more.

All done from the comfort of the sofa and the great postal service we have in this country.

Brown-nosing won’t help 😆

captainsasquatch – Member

Maybe, maybe not, but when the office called to give me the good news, I´m sure I made reference to 49mph, so kind of knew

The real kicker is that you might as well have done 55mph because you’d have got the same fine, so you’d have got where you were going even quicker & it wouldn’t have cost you anymore….

Might be worth printing that table out & keeping it with you so you know how fast you can afford to speed by……no point only just going over the limit if you are gonna get fined the same as going a lot over the limit…… 😆

I have learnt my lesson and business parks across the country will be safer from now on.

I’m glad to hear it. Next!

Interesting to see the table with the banding on.

After doing a speed awareness course around 10 years back my view shifted and I’d now argue that there should be no Band A for speeding where there are 20 & 30 mph speed limits. This is due to the simple reason that these are usually areas where people (and baby robins) live and pedestrians/cyclists are very common.

People doing 10 mph over the limit on the dual-carriage ways/motorways, Band A makes sense.

Just my 2p…

We got a warning letter a few weeks back – community speed check picked me up doing 40 in a 30. The letter mentioned the fine was 3 points and 300 quid as well if I had been caught by the cops.

i got caught by a mobile camera last year…coming into a 30 zone from a 50…the 30 started on a blindish bend and i was slowing down. as i went round the bend there was a van further up ahead that caught me. i’m pretty sure my speedo was well below 40 but they reckoned they clocked me doing 45!
the NIP they sent me said i was doing 45 in a 30…i could have contested it by stating they were catching people slowing down from 50 to 30 and that the speed change occurred on a bend and having the van in operation hidden round the bend and inadequately signposted was unfair. but given the sped they say i was doing i decided to accept it. if i was caught going under 38 then they would have offered me the speed awareness course, but instead i got 3 points and a £100 fine.

BigEaredBiker – Member

I’d now argue that there should be no Band A for speeding where there are 20 & 30 mph speed limits. This is due to the simple reason that these are usually areas where people (and baby robins) live and pedestrians/cyclists are very common.

I’m tempted to agree with you. Every day driving to work, I end up with a queue of cars behind me while doing 30mph through the villages – you even get the occasional impatient overtaker – who I then invariably catch up on the next stretch of NSL, while they trundle along at 50….

My personal view is that speed limits should be removed totally, but penalties for speed related accidents increased to national debt levels.
Simply using current speed limits as guides.
An accident at 25mph in a 30mph limit has no speed related penalty, but an accident at 35mph in a 30mph limit will get you a 5 grand fine and lots of points (for example).

For those interested in these things, the sentencing guidelines are changing again in April.
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