2019 General Election

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  • 2019 General Election
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    Has anyone seen Diane lately, I haven’t seen much of her during the campaign.

    The two parties reached an electoral pact.

    She’s being kept hostage in a remote farmhouse for the duration of the election, with Jacob Rees Mogg to keep her company.

    They’re killing the hours by her re-sitting her maths GCSE and him learning all about 20th century post-war history, a lot of which is proving quite challenging to them both

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    I think JRM needs to further back else he’ll still have gaps in history

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    Kind of difficult having a hypocrite like Diane about, what with the pledge regarding private education.

    FWIW, I used to like Diane many moons ago, before she sent her kids to private school whilst being ideologically opposed to them.

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    I think JRM needs to further back else he’ll still have gaps in history

    They’re having to do all this in stages.

    He’s still reeling from he whole welfare state and formation of the NHS thing. He’s been sat rocking back an too, gently sobbing for quite a few days now. Not even nanny can console him

    FWIW, I used to like Diane many moons ago, before she sent her kids to private school whilst being ideologically opposed to them.

    … and then fiercely berating anyone who had the temerity to point out that there might be an ickle bit of an inherent contradiction in this position.

    stevextc
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    … and then fiercely berating anyone who had the temerity to point out that there might be a ickle bit of an inherent contradiction in this position

    This is the nugget for me … had she turned round and said she was wrong rather than what’s good for my kids is too good for yours.

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    The whole Dianne Abbott private school thing did lend itself to a classic episode of the Thick of It, where Julia Murray refuses to send her daughter to a comprehensive school and went private, which led to an epic Malcolm Tucker outburst

    Oh, well that’s great. That’s ****ing great. That’s another ****ing thing, right there. Not only you’ve got a ****ing bent husband and a ****ing daughter that gets taken to school on a ****ing sedan chair, you’re also ****ing mental!

    😂

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    Well, there you go… PM to only do a USA style 2 person head to head… might as well call him Mr President now.

    Well, there you go… PM to only do a USA style 2 person head to head… might as well call him Mr President now.

    Because he’s scared shitless that Nicola Sturgeon will tear him  an extensive selection of new arseholes on live TV?

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    I agree with every word of this…

    …but it still feels like he’s actively trying to stop people listening to those words! Is it just me? Do I just need more coffee?

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    Catatonic

    I actually think he’s got a massive barbiturate habit. He’s clearly been on the jellies.

    Maybe it was nearly afternoon snoozy-bye-bye’s time in the shed on the allotment, curled up with his favourite tartan blanket over his knees

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    Catatonic

    FFS man stop being an arse. They cut the video to start at the exact point he was blinking, so that dullards who didn’t watch it think ‘oh look, he’s half asleep, he must be tired, that’s because he’s to old to be PM’. Clearly it works!

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    Raise the reality shields!

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    Did you see his speech* at the CBI yesterday?

    Dear god! He looked like he was sedated. As I said on the previous page

    Like a bored middle manager at a photocopier convention telling disinterested telesales staff about his companies latest developments in toner cartridges.

    He’s been on auto-pilot for over 2 years now. I thought he might perk up a bit once the starting gun had been fired, as we keep being told he’s apparently ‘a natural campaigner’

    Campaigning for what? Another mug of Ovaltine before the shipping forecast?

    *the word is used figuratively in this instance

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    45%

    > think happy thoughts <

    > prepare to celebrate as a success <

    …but it still feels like he’s actively trying to stop people listening to those words! Is it just me? Do I just need more coffee?

    Is the nationalisation program fake news now?

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    No, but it’s not “anti-capitalism” as many excitedly claim, just bringing some monopoly providers of infrastructure and services back under public ownership. Without competition, there is always a battle between the approaches of state regulation and state ownership to ensure delivery to all and prevent market abuse. In some areas, regulation proves not to be enough. We’ve had publically owned banks, post office, railway lines and railway services in recent years, without people asking “Communism?” Of course, it would be easier to explain all this without the likes or Milne&Murray&Co hanging around in the shadows…

    Very glad Corbyn is emphasising growing the economy [just don’t mention Brexit].

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    it’s not “anti-capitalism” as many excitedly claim, just bringing some monopoly providers of infrastructure and services back under public ownership.

    It is, however, a stupid idea that is meant to appeal to misty eyed old socialists who remember the good old days of the TUC running the show.

    There’s bigger things to focus on, this is a distraction. Maybe Brexit will be brought up tonight and Jez will just ignore it?

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    a stupid idea

    Ok Boomer.

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    Lens contributions are always helpful.

    For the Tory’s.

    He puts a lot of time and effort into finding ever more imaginative ways of him and fellow multi-millionaire Jezza remaining in permanent opposition while still carrying on picking up their big salaries and infinite perks

    Every time he opens his gob, Labours poll ratings take a 5% hit

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    feels like he’s actively trying to stop people listening to those words!

    This saddens me. We all decry personality politics and sound bite speeches, but when we see a video of a calm speech, saying really quite sensible, but not exciting things, we jump on the ‘OMGz! YAWN! SNOZEFEST!’ Bandwagon. We’ve been gaslighted as a nation into wanting big exciting people as leaders, despite their vacuous and empty hearts.

    The human race gets the leaders it deserves, rather than needs, it seems.

    kerley
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    We all decry personality politics and sound bite speeches, but when we see a video of a calm speech, saying really quite sensible, but not exciting things, we jump on the ‘OMGz! YAWN! SNOZEFEST!’ Bandwagon.

    And when you say “We”, you mean Binners don’t you.

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    And when you say “We”, you mean Binners don’t you.

    Yes, the rest of the country love it. Clearly.

    olddog
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    From C4 news last night, economic thinking is moving on from the free market idealism of the the 80s, 90s and 00s. Maybe we should be framing the free marketeers as the misty eyed nostalgics….

    The bit at about 4:20 in from ex banker and Tory Treasury Minister is especially relevant if you don’t want to watch the full 15 mins

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    Its not too much to ask to have some middle ground between a bumbling, badly-drawn, latin-speaking cartoon character on acid and the human equivalent of a rusting, brown Austin Allegro.

    There are plenty of capable politicians in both main parties. Unfortunately for us, none of them are anywhere near either front bench. They are stuffed with complete imbeciles, who’s only qualification for being in a senior position is their unquestioning loyalty to the idiot they refer to as their leader

    stevextc
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    No, but it’s not “anti-capitalism” as many excitedly claim, just bringing some monopoly providers of infrastructure and services back under public ownership. Without competition, there is always a battle between the approaches of state regulation and state ownership to ensure delivery to all and prevent market abuse. In some areas, regulation proves not to be enough. We’ve had publically owned banks, post office, railway lines and railway services in recent years, without people asking “Communism?” Of course, it would be easier to explain all this without the likes or Milne&Murray&Co hanging around in the shadows…

    Very glad Corbyn is emphasising growing the economy [just don’t mention Brexit].

    It’s all yes/no/maybe … Yes enough to get pounced on and commie labels but no/maybe for the best part of 40% Labour voters that voted LEAVE.
    How is this costed? Is it costed with remaining or leaving?

    stevextc
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    From C4 news last night, economic thinking is moving on from the free market idealism of the the 80d, 90s and 00s. Maybe we should be framing the free marketeers as the misty eyed nostalgics….

    or maybe we should deal with the immediate problem first?

    ransos
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    FWIW, I used to like Diane many moons ago, before she sent her kids to private school whilst being ideologically opposed to them.

    My kids’ education trumps my political beliefs: I can’t speak for Abbott, but I’d take a deep breath and send my kids private if the only alternative was a particularly bad state school.

    stevextc
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    My kids’ education trumps my political beliefs: I can’t speak for Abbott, but I’d take a deep breath and send my kids private if the only alternative was a particularly bad state school.

    Which is fair enough but then say so….
    What exactly is a bad state school anyway as in what makes it bad or worse than other state schools?

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    There are plenty of capable politicians in both main parties.

    I’d have more sympathy with this view if the ones you repeatedly promote weren’t Andy Burnham, Yvette Cooper, Jess Phillips and Anna Soubry. Again though you’re obsessing about personalities, when what we should be concentrating on is the policy and the direction of travel. Thatcher was a very capable politician, look where that got us.

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    Good point.

    Binners – do you actually want to see state owned railways and utilities?

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    My kids’ education trumps my political beliefs: I can’t speak for Abbott, but I’d take a deep breath and send my kids private if the only alternative was a particularly bad state school.

    Where do you think Dianne (or any other politician for that matter) lives? In the middle of some Jeremy Kyle sink estate? I doubt the schools in the vicinity of their homes are going to be hotbeds of teenage pregnancies, free school meals and knife crime.

    And what percentage of Dianne’s constituents do you think would have the option of private schooling open to them?

    stevextc
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    Binners – do you actually want to see state owned railways and utilities?

    I know you’re not asking me but at this point in time the question is IMHO irrelevant.
    Most importantly what I don’t want to see is rushing into it and doing it badly.

    … and it will only happen if Labour get elected with a majority anyway so it’s pie in the sky…

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    They are stuffed with complete imbeciles, who’s only qualification for being in a senior position is their unquestioning loyalty to the idiot they refer to as their leader

    on that note, out on my lunchtime run today, I very nearly ran into geoffrey cox and his ‘entourage’. fortunately I heard his ridiculous voice before I saw him. i thought it was a persona he put on for parliament but it seems not.

    ransos
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    Where do you think Dianne (or any other politician for that matter) lives? In the middle of some Jeremy Kyle sink estate? I doubt the schools in the vicinity of their homes are going to be hotbeds of teenage pregnancies, free school meals and knife crime.

    I can’t speak for Abbott

    And what percentage of Dianne’s constituents do you think would have the option of private schooling open to them?

    My kids’ education trumps my political beliefs

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    Most importantly what I don’t want to see is rushing into it and doing it badly.

    Railways are already state owned. Are you talking about the services run on them? Where’s the “rushing”? Taking them into public hands when franchises end is the Labour plan, isn’t it? Remember the East Coast mainline services? What did they cost the UK state when publicly run for a few years, above what it was costing when in private hands?

    I don’t have a problem with privately owned and rail services in some (many) circumstances, bu there are definitely routes that being failed year after year, with the government mostly shrugging and saying “not on us”. It is on the government. And taking franchises (I’d prefer it to be selective rather than rolled out everywhere) away from companies, and running them publicly, can’t come soon enough in some areas.

    Binners – do you actually want to see state owned railways and utilities?

    Is there another way to ensure that profit making parts subsidize non-profit making parts? So public transport on busy routes did it on less busy routes but makes it possible to serve people who need it?

    ctk
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    DA was on Any Questions on Fri- she wasn’t great.

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    I like DA… but she shouldn’t have a front bench position, she can’t handle the communication part of the job. Well, I say that, but look at some of the others… many are worse.

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    I don’t have a problem with privately owned and rail services in some (many) circumstances, bu there are definitely routes that being failed year after year,

    That’s all very well, but it would be (already is in parts of the rail network, the prison service, and the NHS) privatisation of profit and nationalisation of losses. Why should you and I effectively subsidise shareholder profits through our taxes because they want to cherry pick the juicy contracts?

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