SNP +10 seats or so at the expense of Torys
LD + a few at expense of Torys depending on the state of Brexit at time of GE
Lab depends on how solid their message is. Needs to be clear.
Torys depends on state of Brexit

The wild card in this one will be the brexit party.

They are wild, I’ll agree.

The wild card in this one will be the brexit party.

Yes. Depending on the state of Brexit, Farage could end up stoking the fires against Labour if it’s not done, or against everyone if it’s done but in a way that doesn’t please him. I think the only way it would please him is no deal.

Labour have consistently been polling around 20% and they have a historically unpopular leader (amongst the population). They stand a fair chanced of being slaughtered. If you are a labour voter but want brexit what are you going to do?

The Tories are polling quite well aren’t they? They’ve lurched further to the right to soak up the Brexit party voter base.

5thElefant

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Hopefully we’ll see the Labour Party decimated and not a threat for a generation.

Do you really believe that or are you just trolling?

I’ll assume the former and question why you think it’s a good idea for any party (Conservative or otherwise) to be able to enact all of its policies unopposed by any serious checks and balances. Or are you dim enough to be wishing for a dictatorship?

JP

Of course. Who wants an antisemitc socialist party in power? Didn’t go well last time that happened.

I’d be happy with either the liberals or the conservatives in power or as the opposition. Or even a return of new labour. The destruction of the current incarnation of the Labour Party is a likely and welcome possibility.

Fingers crossed.

More Oswald Mosley. Glad we didn’t find out how that would have worked out.

Confiscation of private property and imprisonment of political opponents don’t sound reassuring.

Who wants an antisemitc socialist party in power? Didn’t go well last time that happened.

When was that? and are you therefore fine with a right wing antisemitic party?

I’d be happy with either the liberals or the conservatives in power or as the opposition. Or even a return of new labour.

So centre right and hard right and maybe allowing another centre tending towards right person.
Good choices there.

Probably wise to rename this thread, “2019/2020 General Election” now, rather than later.

Anyway, TV voxpops predictably full of people saying, “We don’t trust these politicians, yet don’t want the bother of getting the chance to do anything about them in the voting booth”. 🤦🏻‍♂️

Not what I meant, but very likely.

Depends which polls you look at.

There’s not many that show the Tories with a substantial lead

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49798197

There’s not many that show the Tories with a substantial lead

Realistically, have the Brexit Party any chance of winning Westminster seats? I just assumed some sort of voting pact with the Tories, suggesting that they’d end up with 45-50% of the popular vote in total, though not sure how that would break down into seats.

Realistically, have the Brexit Party any chance of winning Westminster seats

Difficult to tell how things are going to turn out. Depends on if they manage to get the “tories failed to deliver its only us you can trust” line working.
A voting pact seems unlikely. For all of Farages many flaws being a complete idiot isnt one of them so he wont trust Johnson as far as he can throw him.

5thElefant

Confiscation of private property

I’m actually with you on that one – Labour appear to have lost their minds on that issue.

JP

At the risk of stating the obvious. This election campaign will be focused on brexit with no mention of what else the successful party will do. It might be the big issue of the day but it could be a 5 year term which is a long time if their other plans are crazy (selling the NHS, screwing the most vulnerable, islamaphobic etc).

We are just lucky that Corbyn is not that skilled operator, although McDonnell might be – see his youtube videos celebrating direct action and spitting in your managers tea being a victory for the people.

Neither of them are skilled. Sadly.

Ah well.
Anyone who stands up against entitled right whngers who whine about living in one of the most privileged parts of the western world is worth listening to.
Shame they’ve been unable to leave the sixth form common room, but at least they’re socialists.

Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer……
we’ve never needed a decent democratic socialist government as much as we do now.

The last Labour manifesto, you know, the only one that was independantly costed was just fine in my eyes.
The addition of scrapping private education is just the icing on the cake.

And what’s wrong with direct action?

Who wants an antisemitc socialist party in power?

Labour aren’t antisemitic in any real sense – totally inflated story based on insinuation and smear tactics. I do however very much want a socialist party in power.

Greed is bad.

It’ll be a totally hung parliament across three or four parties.. and we’ll still be in the same mess.
Bxp making noises that they’ll get into bed with the tories but the tories aren’t interested.

We need a second referendum before a general election.