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  • 148 wide rear Hubs, Are Hope using spacers or a pukka wider hub
  • yorkycsl
    Free Member

    I’m interested in a new bike but looking at the new 148 rear end on the Bronson 2 & wondering if the wheels supplied are a complete new wider hub or just have new wider adaptors to meet 148, UK Bikes have Hope hubs while US versions can have DT240’s on the spec list but again wondering if DT have just made slightly longer (3mm either side) spacers to suit 148, any info appreciated.

    scotroutes
    Full Member

    It’s a Boost rear-end. That means the distance between the flanges needs to increase. Just putting in axle spacers leaves the rotor in the wrong place. I’m guessing someone will come out with some -3mm adapters for the latter bur I don’t know how good/strong they’ll be.

    twohats
    Free Member

    Apparently Hope are bringing out spacer kits to convert their 135/142 to Boost.

    PeterPoddy
    Free Member

    Apparently Hope are bringing out spacer kits to convert their 135/142 to Boost.

    Hmm. I’d like to know how that’s gonna work.
    Boost isn’t just a wider rear hub. The extra 6mm over 142 goes into spacing each hub flange out 3mm. Which in turn moves the chainline out 3mm, so you also need a different offset crank. That’s the whole point, widen the rear end to get a fatter tyre through.

    brant
    Free Member

    Hmm. I’d like to know how that’s gonna work.
    Boost isn’t just a wider rear hub. The extra 6mm over 142 goes into spacing each hub flange out 3mm. Which in turn moves the chainline out 3mm, so you also need a different offset crank. That’s the whole point, widen the rear end to get a fatter tyre through.

    I’d guess on a 6mm wider spacer on the disc side. Then spacer to move the disc back across to the right position.

    Rorschach
    Free Member

    American Classic are’nt changing the flange spacing on their boost hubs,just the disc positioning and a longer axle.Their reasoning being having nearly symmetrical lacing is more beneficial than a marginally wider braced but still dished wheel.
    Hope could do the same by offering a 6mm longer nds end cap and a 6mm disc spacer and longer bolts.
    I’m not sure why you can’t achieve the same things boost does by offsetting the rear end asymmetrically (like Pace did in the rc100 and cannondale Fsi) without the hassle of making all your wheels obsolescent.

    pigyn
    Free Member

    Pyga do the same offset rear end thing.

    But yes Hope are doing both a true boost hub and kits to convert your old Pro2 to fit boost frames. I would think the Bronsons are coming with real boost hubs.

    matthew_h
    Free Member

    Hmm. I’d like to know how that’s gonna work.
    Boost isn’t just a wider rear hub. The extra 6mm over 142 goes into spacing each hub flange out 3mm. Which in turn moves the chainline out 3mm, so you also need a different offset crank. That’s the whole point, widen the rear end to get a fatter tyre through.

    I’d guess on a 6mm wider spacer on the disc side. Then spacer to move the disc back across to the right position.
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    And then re-dish the wheel too.

    I was of the understanding that it was only the front hubs that Hope were planning to do a conversion for but could be wrong

    singlespeedstu
    Full Member

    It’s a Boost rear-end. That means the distance between the flanges needs to increase.

    No. It means the distance between the 11T and the disc need to increase.
    The flanges could stay exactly where they are. Just like they do on loads of 150 downhill hubs and 145 tandem hubs.

    yorkycsl
    Free Member

    Im going to look into the possibility of machining some spacers & have a good look at what it takes, Peterpoody I think fitting fatter tyres is surely down to how wide the frame is not how wide the hub flanges are, I’ve run Roval Fattie SL carbon wheels 30mm wide on a Bronson with no clearance issues at all.

    PeterPoddy
    Free Member

    I’d guess on a 6mm wider spacer on the disc side. Then spacer to move the disc back across to the right position.

    Ahh. A bodge then.

    Peterpoody I think fitting fatter tyres is surely down to how wide the frame is not how wide the hub flanges are,

    Moving the chainline out enables the frame to be built wider. Simples. 🙂

    No. It means the distance between the 11T and the disc need to increase.

    Which is pointless unless you increase the flange spacing. Which is exactly what Boost is all about! 🙂 It’s not just a wider hub…..

    PeterPoddy
    Free Member

    …..It’s a complete system to stiffen the wheel and move the chainline out.

    Now, wether you like/believe/want it or not is neither here nor there really, but that’s the idea of it! 🙂

    Bear in mind I work in a Trek dealership, and lots of Treks (Mine included) have Boost, then it’s my job to know about it. I need to know what works and what doesn’t work with it. SRAM, Manitou, DT Swiss and Shimano (Maybe others) are producing specific parts for it, cranks, hubs, forks etc

    Bit of reading….

    Tech Talk | What’s the Boost standard all about?

    mc
    Free Member

    Being cynical, it would of been too simple and not generate enough new part revenue by using an existing standard like a 83mm bottom bracket with 150mm hub spacing…

    scotroutes
    Full Member

    And we’re off….

    (again)

    mc
    Free Member

    Somebody had to 🙂

    smatkins1
    Full Member

    That’s the whole point, widen the rear end to get a fatter tyre through.

    When I heard the new Bronson was going to boost hub spacing I was expecting that if it wasn’t for + sized wheel reasons it would be to give a bit better tyre clearance at the back… but on the one I saw the tyre clearance was as tight as the previous one.

    singlespeedstu
    Full Member

    Which is pointless unless you increase the flange spacing.

    Yes. But i bet that just like some 150 and 145 hubs they’ll not bother…
    Also it’s not pointless if you want to run a 3″ tyre on a 45/50mm rim and still have a full selection of gears.

    yorkycsl
    Free Member

    opened a can of worms with this one …..

    The only reason I’m looking at the whole 148 thing is because we had a visit in the night three weeks ago & 3 bikes went awol, the insurers have been superb & Wheelies sorted one bike, the rest all paid out swiftly and no quibbling, so now with a depleted garage I’ve started to look around, the 30mm wide rovals really do spread the tyre out nicely, many people have commented on it & the grip feels some what increased so the 148 thing got me thinking what can be done re a bit of lathe work, I’m all for increasing the stiffness but to be fair I’ve found the Rovals very stiff.

    nonk
    Free Member

    I would get the proper boost Hub from hope rather than the axle ands and the disc spacer that they do
    Bollox to the crankset though it’s only 3mm works fine with a normal set up

    RickDraper
    Free Member

    I thought hope we’re only making spacers for the front hub not the rear.

    Northwind
    Full Member

    My understanding too. But there’s a difference here- they’re doing a Boost hub but they’re also making adaptors so that people with existing hubs can carry on using them. Which is ace.

    You could definitely adapt a 135 rear to boost sizes (or space brakes and mech in and out) but it’s more situational and depends on your other parts.

    As enlightening as it is watching the bike industry scramble after the fact to turn b+ into something that needs a new frame, hubs etc, Boost can still **** off. But things like this will help a bit.

    Onzadog
    Free Member

    Hope will be doing a proper wide flanged boost hub. This will be best for your boost frame.

    However, hope are also planning spacers that would allow people like me to keep their old wheels and use them on a boost frame. They’ll also be offering offset brake mounts to make up for the shift in rotor position. Not sure if they’re going 3mm either side and accepting the chainline but keep the dish or if they’re going 6mm all on one side to keep the chainline but require a redish.

    enmac
    Free Member

    UK Bikes have Hope hubs while US versions can have DT240’s

    Are you sure they are 240’s, the DT Swiss website only mentions their heavier (and cheaper) 350 hubs coming in Boost width?

    brant
    Free Member

    Hope will be doing a proper wide flanged boost hub. This will be best for your boost frame.

    They’ve been doing them for a while. I’ve got one. It goes brrrrrrrrr.

    qwerty
    Free Member

    Brant – is it the 15th your revealing all?

    yorkycsl
    Free Member

    enmac, If you spec a v2 Bronson on the US site with Enve’s it says they come with DT240’s or at least thats what I read the other day.

    I’ve a pair of DT240 hubs that I’d like to convert if possible, cracking hubs & surely some one will produce the parts to do it or at least I hope so

    gelert
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    Wouldn’t like my hubs to be cracking.

    Boost fragments 650B wheel sets into pre-Boost 650B and post-Boost 650B. Picking up replacement wheels in a couple of years will be a minefield.

    It’s a shame they didn’t introduce Boost and 650B at the same time and make an actual benefit to the whole wheel size affair.

    brant
    Free Member

    Brant – is it the 15th your revealing all?

    I have no idea what you are on about.

    barbs
    Free Member

    Hope told me they were only doing the spacers etc for their front hubs, not rear hubs.

    I’ve just had my rear LB rim re-built onto a new Hope Boost hub for £195 and will sell the old hub to recoup some of the outlay so won’t be too expensive.

    Anyone want a nearly new black Pro 2 Evo 40t (32h) 12×142 hub with xd driver?!

    singlespeedstu
    Full Member

    Hope told me they were only doing the spacers etc for their front hubs

    Any idea where I can get these spacers from?

    yorkycsl
    Free Member

    At least the 650b debate seems to of eased at last, now it bloody hubs & rim width all to get us to part with our dosh without the wife seeing the bills…..

    gelert
    Free Member

    What’s annoying for people who went all in with 650b because they were told it was the future is that the bike industry has managed to make those first generation 650b rims and hubs as obsolete as the 26 inch ones before them. Same story for 650b front forks that don’t have boost compatible lowers.

    How can you trust that the second generation of 650b wider rims and boost hubs won’t be the next chocolate teapots in 12 months time?

    When you buy a good and therefore expensive set of wheels you want them to last a little while or possibly plan to use them on one bike and the next one. Resale values are never that great.

    soundninjauk
    Full Member

    When you buy a good and therefore expensive set of wheels you want them to last a little while or possibly plan to use them on one bike and the next one. Resale values are never that great.

    The advent of boost sizing is now stopping me from buying a nice pair of wheels for myself for Christmas, as the chance of them fitting the next frame I go for is now somewhat reduced.

    scotroutes
    Full Member

    Is there much of a move to Boost for non + or 29er wheel sizes?

    Onzadog
    Free Member

    It’s a worry as the new frame I’m looking at is 142 x 12

    brant
    Free Member

    Is there much of a move to Boost for non + or 29er wheel sizes?

    Your frame is in Cirencester.

    Northwind
    Full Member

    gelert – Member

    How can you trust that the second generation of 650b wider rims and boost hubs won’t be the next chocolate teapots in 12 months time?

    You can’t, of course. Don’t think for a second the big players in the bike industry will do right for you, it doesn’t enter the equation, they’re not your friends. At best they’re farmers and we’re the herd but increasingly they act like hunters who know there’s enough animals that they don’t need to worry about whether they kill too many or chase some off, and if they do they can always just fight the other hunters.

    If they can think of a clever way to make your bike outdated, they will do it. Churn is here to stay, it’s proven its value to them and as a punter there’s no managing it, and no predicting it, it wouldn’t be effective churn if you could see it coming. All you can do is mitigate the ill effects.

    scotroutes
    Full Member

    Your frame is in Cirencester.

    Of course it is.

    Funny though, that doesn’t seem to be in a direct line between Leeds and Aviemore. I hope it’s not going to be worn out before I even get to see it 😆

    roverpig
    Full Member

    I don’t think the big players have ever cared much for those of us who want to move kit from frame to frame. They’d much rather we bought a whole bike (and replaced it every year or two).

    It’s the smaller players I feel for. What is a relatively small outfit (like Cotic, for example) supposed to do? Some customers will want Boost compatible frames, others will be vehemently opposed to them and they can’t really afford to stock both.

    Onzadog
    Free Member

    Roverpig, I agree. I’m looking at a Turner rfx and Dave Turner has decided not to go boost as his customers typically swap frames with existing kit.

    However, I’m going to 650b from 26″ so now is the time for me to go boost and try and stay on top of the ever changing standards.

    For small outfits, it’s just one more why of deciding their market share.

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