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  • jivehoneyjive
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    So you’re not really qualified to discuss the matter…

    grum
    Free Member

    You do seem to have a very keen interest in JHJ being wrong, can you explain why this fascinates you so much?

    I’ve not listened to the R4 programme yet but I will.

    nealglover
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    What’s the point of any discussion on a bike forum?

    Various reasons, too many to list.

    Solving crimes not being one of them.

    Why do you keep coming back to this thread?

    Because it’s interesting.

    Problem ?

    nealglover
    Free Member

    So you’re not really qualified to discuss the matter…

    That’s funny 🙂

    nealglover
    Free Member

    You do seem to have a very keen interest in JHJ being wrong, can you explain why this fascinates you so much?

    I find it interesting and depressing in equal measure, that someone who obviously cares about something so much, is so incapable of understanding the process of investigation and the meaning of evidence, that he’s ill equipped to do anything about it.

    I’ve not listened to the R4 programme yet but I will.

    Then your not really qualified to discuss the matter.

    jivehoneyjive
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    Beyond all the bickering on here, you have to admire the bravery of the survivors, social workers and journalists who have been campaigning on these matters for what now amounts to decades.

    And Mark Williams Thomas for exposing Jimmy Savile, knowing the links he had to so many powerful people.

    grum
    Free Member

    Beyond all the bickering on here, you have to admire the bravery of the survivors, social workers and journalists who have been campaigning on these matters for what now amounts to decades.

    And Mark Williams Thomas for exposing Jimmy Savile, knowing the links he had to so many powerful people.

    Agreed JHJ

    Because it’s interesting.

    I’ll ask again, why is this so much more interesting to you than the actual subject matter of high-level child abuse and corruption? You really do seem to have quite a bizarre fascination with it.

    I’m not suggesting we can ‘solve’ the crimes on STW but some threads on here actually do contain interesting discussion and useful information about all sorts of issues.

    Cougar
    Full Member

    what did you think of the Radio 4 programme?

    I haven’t listened to it. If you read what I posted a couple of pages back you’ll know why, I’m still waiting on an answer to that question.

    jivehoneyjive
    Free Member

    What question is that oh great overlord?

    jambalaya
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    Beyond all the bickering on here, you have to admire the bravery of the survivors, social workers and journalists who have been campaigning on these matters for what now amounts to decades.

    Yes I would agree with this too. Who finally broke the Rotherham and Oxfordshire child abuse stories ?

    nealglover
    Free Member

    I’ll ask again, why is this so much more interesting to you than the actual subject matter of high-level child abuse and corruption? You really do seem to have quite a bizarre fascination with it.

    If the topic is high level child abuse and corruption, then my critique of the “evidence” supplied to support it, is bang on topic.

    Your critique of my motivations for posting however isn’t on topic at all.

    Wind yer neck in.

    I’m not suggesting we can ‘solve’ the crimes on STW but some threads on here actually do contain interesting discussion and useful information about all sorts of issues

    This thread might have had a chance of being an interesting discussion, if it wasn’t for the constant posting of spurious “evidence” that’s turned into yet another conspiracy theory dumping ground.

    Cougar
    Full Member

    What question is that oh great overlord?

    If you read what I posted a couple of pages back you’ll know

    jivehoneyjive
    Free Member

    I’m glad to report that from what I can see, the questions raised have been answered in the meantime.

    If you have any further questions, please don’t hesitate to ask.

    Cougar
    Full Member

    I’m glad you feel that way, it’ll free me up to see what Mollari is up to on Centari Prime.

    jivehoneyjive
    Free Member

    Enjoy… If at any point you feel you need a break from fiction to dabble in fact, you may want to have a good look through this to check if there’s any errors, though I’m sure most of it is in order

    Cougar
    Full Member

    No, I’m not following any of your links until you’ve answered my question. It’s an exercise in futility otherwise.

    jivehoneyjive
    Free Member

    Until you clarify your question, there isn’t much I can answer that hasn’t already been answered…

    Cougar
    Full Member

    As I said, it’s a couple of pages back. Do your own research.

    jivehoneyjive
    Free Member

    In that case, it’s already been covered…

    I’m glad to report that from what I can see, the questions raised have been answered in the meantime.

    If you have any further questions, please don’t hesitate to ask.

    enjoy your fiction

    Cougar
    Full Member

    And the same to you.

    nemesis
    Free Member

    Chalk one up to Cougar for that comeback 😆

    jambalaya
    Free Member

    Police statement today Guardian link

    1,433 people referenced in allegations;
    135 TV/Film 9.4%
    76 Politicians (local and national) 5.3%
    43 Music Industry 3.0%

    jivehoneyjive
    Free Member

    Interesting…we’ll have to see what figures come forward for

    Judges
    Military figures
    Police officers
    Clergy
    Care workers

    Also worth noting the relative influence of individuals depending on their profession and social circles

    jivehoneyjive
    Free Member

    Interesting:

    One of Britain’s most influential paedophiles was Head of a Masonic lodge founded and frequented by GCHQ spies.

    Though I was a bit dubious, it’s legit

    He knew Leon Brittan, Cyril Smith and Jimmy Savile… Greville Janner too?

    jivehoneyjive
    Free Member

    So it turns out the MP for Cheltenham from 1974-1992, Charles Irving, was a member of the Monday Club, who like Leon Brittan, Cyril Smith and Jimmy Savile, was known at Elm Guest House[/url]

    He has also been mentioned by David, which if I’m not mistaken, is the guy from the Radio 4 program:

    I was abused by top Tories then blackmailed to keep quiet

    This passage is particularly interesting:

    “Alan told me ‘Do you have any idea about the people who I know and the power they wield?’,” says David.

    “He said if ‘we’ could murder 13 people on the streets of Northern Ireland and get away with it, there would be little trouble in arranging for an accident to befall a member of my family. I was out of my depth.”

    As not only were members of Sinn Fein mentioned as visiting Elm Guest House, but also

    Jimmy Savile boasted of IRA connections for protection

    bongohoohaa
    Free Member

    Esther Baker, 32, said the politician was in a group whose influential members routinely abused young girls in Cannock Chase as uniformed police officers stood guard.

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/may/26/vip-paedophile-ring-woman-waives-anonymity-link-politician-abuse

    jambalaya
    Free Member

    Read that story yesterday, hopefully her actions will move the investigations forward.

    TurnerGuy
    Free Member

    Does this have anything to do with that “Pies, your time is now” graffiti on the M6 – something to do with the Paedophile Information Exchange ?

    binners
    Full Member

    Jimmy Saville was in the IRA? 😯

    CaptainFlashheart
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    Meanwhile, my apologies for taking this back on topic and away from the massive conspiracy at the very heart of every lizard, but….

    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/05/27/15-men-including-teen-charged-with-sex-offences-against-child-in-west-yorkshire/

    jivehoneyjive
    Free Member

    It’s good that the Police and Crown Prosecution Service have ensured justice for the victims in those instances, instead of protecting the offenders, as they seem to have done in the case of MPs…

    And given the clear knowledge of goings on around Rotherham as early as 2001 and the fact the Home Office was informed in 2003 not to mention missing files relating to Rotherham perhaps there was some degree of protection there too… but why? And how? Freemasons?

    By the way, I’m not suggesting Jimmy Savile was in the IRA, but given the known links between Kincora, Elm Guest House and Sinn Fein, it certainly lends credibility to the fact that Savile knew members of the IRA.

    CaptainFlashheart
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    Why would the Freemasons be “protecting” groups of Asian men in Rotherham?

    It’s lizards, isn’t it?

    jivehoneyjive
    Free Member

    Northern winters are too cold for lizards…

    MoreCashThanDash
    Full Member

    Flashy, that’s not what jhj is saying, stop baiting him.

    CaptainFlashheart
    Free Member

    No.

    Simple question –

    Why would the Freemasons be “protecting” groups of Asian men in Rotherham?

    The lizards comment is simply a flippant way of alluding to the conspiracy idea that there’s some massive all-pervading “control structure” at the heart of it all. cf the endless pictures of someone with someone, presented as evidence.

    As before, the cause is laudable, the approach is laughable.

    MoreCashThanDash
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    So why keep poking him?

    I’ve been with you at several points on this thread, but he isn’t making a connection between Masons and Rotherham.

    Leave ‘im, Flash, ‘e ain’t wurf it!

    jivehoneyjive
    Free Member

    Yep, silly me, providing links from credible sources, as opposed to hot air from my nether regions…

    Nonetheless:

    Why would the Freemasons be “protecting” groups of Asian men in Rotherham?

    is a good question…

    Here’s another good question:

    Why are Muslim terrorists given so much media coverage when you are as likely to be killed by the police?

    CaptainFlashheart
    Free Member

    he isn’t making a connection between Masons and Rotherham.

    Apart from this;

    And given the clear knowledge of goings on around Rotherham as early as 2001 and the fact the Home Office was informed in 2003 not to mention missing files relating to Rotherham perhaps there was some degree of protection there too… but why? And how? Freemasons?

    What annoys me is that the constant silly picture “nudge nudge” nature of so much of this detracts from what is a valid and laudable cause. Throwing around innuendo, question and supposition as “fact” detracts from that. *Edit – As does the pathetic inability to answer a direct question. Makes you think doesn’t it? etc.

    piemonster
    Free Member

    I don’t want to answer that question so here’s another question alluding to what I want you to think

    MoreCashThanDash
    Full Member

    Actually Flash, go get him!

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