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An “Alternative” viewpoint of how it’s going……….

He’s a mate of trumps ain’t he?, seem to remember trump wanted him for a post in Europe somewhere but was blocked as macgregor is a right wing nut job so I’ll pass on the alternative opinion


 
Posted : 29/09/2022 6:24 pm
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In fact, this doesn’t make sense.

but now, thanks to the recent failure of Ukrainian counterattacks in the Kherson region, they’ve reached horrific levels that are impossible to conceal. Casualty rates have reached 20,000 killed or wounded a month.

That paragraph contains a link as a source which is dated to before the Kherson counteroffensive https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/10/ukraine-casualty-rate-russia-war-tipping-point

I’ve no doubt the Ukrainian casualty rates are awful.


 
Posted : 29/09/2022 6:28 pm
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There’s this

Russia already controls the territory that produces 95 percent of Ukrainian GDP.

Which cites this article https://carnegieendowment.org/2012/03/09/underachiever-ukraine-s-economy-since-1991-pub-47451

Which I’m not seeing that 95% figure for (skim read if any wants to point out something obvious)

And going by this https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ukrainian_subdivisions_by_GRP

Isn’t correct even if I could find it.


 
Posted : 29/09/2022 6:46 pm
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There was some other cited claims in there that didn’t didn’t seem to tie up but I’m passing on digging any further.


 
Posted : 29/09/2022 6:51 pm
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The American Conservative publication is akin to 55 tufton st producing a pamphlet and spouting their shite online


 
Posted : 29/09/2022 6:52 pm
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Am I missing something or is that article a load of bollocks?


 
Posted : 29/09/2022 8:08 pm
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Douglas Macgregor, Col

Our resident troll posted about this guy a few months back, along with a video from the former weapons inspector guy turned nonce who - like MacGregor - is an occasional RT pundit.

People with damaged credibility will often say absolutely anything in exchange for roubles.


 
Posted : 29/09/2022 9:09 pm
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Am I missing something or is that article a load of bollocks?

No, I’d say you’ve understood it perfectly! I wasn’t aware of the authors background, but not surprised!


 
Posted : 29/09/2022 9:12 pm
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Looks like Lukashenko is upping the ante in support of Putin.  ISTR he has a fairly flimsy grip on power and his military have been very reticent about getting involved. I hope they mutiny and this sparks the end for Putin's sidekick.

It also seems from twitter that the complete encirclement of Lyman is tantalisingly close.  Can't wait to see the talking heads on RT explode with rage when it's confirmed.

https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1575488935513333761?s=20&t=xhcnTUWXHeyk4qUJbzWuMA

https://twitter.com/PhillipsPOBrien/status/1575571421786316800?s=20&t=xhcnTUWXHeyk4qUJbzWuMA


 
Posted : 29/09/2022 11:09 pm
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Early, unconfirmed reports coming in that Ukranian forces have completed their encirclement of the area around Lyman, all the men and materials the Russians poured into there over the last few weeks to shore it up are now trapped including quite a few 'elite' units, Wagner group fighters etc.

Still a lot that could happen but we could be about to see one of the biggest mass surrenders and captures of equipment of the war so far.


 
Posted : 29/09/2022 11:15 pm
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I’ve heard Yampil Garrison has fled, and UA have taken Stavky to the N of Lyman.

RF still hold Zarichne which could be used as a staged withdrawal, but it would definitely be contested and a rout.


 
Posted : 29/09/2022 11:36 pm
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Also………..

https://twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/1575599955297062912


 
Posted : 29/09/2022 11:40 pm
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Still a lot that could happen but we could be about to see one of the biggest mass surrenders and captures of equipment of the war so far.

I'm not sure Ukraine have finished country what they captured in Kharkiv yet !


 
Posted : 30/09/2022 12:29 am
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Counting even


 
Posted : 30/09/2022 7:04 am
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The RT faithful are revolting...
Margarita Simonyan, RT editor, discussing the botched mobilisation, "They're infuriating people, as if on purpose, as if out of spite. As if they'd been sent by Kyiv,"
Novaya Gazeta Europe has revealed that the redacted paragraph in the mobilisation order is for a call-up of 1,000,000 conscripts. Officials denied this


 
Posted : 30/09/2022 7:45 am
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Ukraine need to set up a text hotline for Russian soldiers.
Simply text ‘defect’ to 7890 and we will ensure safe passage to a safe haven.
Calls cost 10rubles plus your standard network charge.
Terms and conditions apply.

https://twitter.com/SlavaUk30722777/status/1575728759142985732?s=20&t=pH-QmKaRGhgEyB1bwP4svw


 
Posted : 30/09/2022 9:33 am
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Excellent article on how wars end.

How the War in Ukraine Might End


 
Posted : 30/09/2022 1:12 pm
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Interesting read 👍


 
Posted : 30/09/2022 2:28 pm
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Excellent article on how wars end.

Great article, thanks for posting!


 
Posted : 30/09/2022 2:47 pm
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I'm also, for the first time since the war started, entertaining the idea that Putin will use nukes. It seemed beyond likelihood before but now seems entirely possible, for all the reasons so well explained in the above article. Very sad and scarey times


 
Posted : 30/09/2022 2:49 pm
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Something on Radio 4 now about Ukraine having a huge amount of rare earth metals. Russia now in control of 20% of Ukrainian resources. Started 15 minutes ago.


 
Posted : 30/09/2022 2:59 pm
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Something like 2trillion $ of rare earths mostly in the Donbas region!


 
Posted : 30/09/2022 3:02 pm
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Vlad would have to be pretty confident that Ukraine wouldn't and couldn't respond to a WMD attack with a like-for-like response.

There were nuclear weapons in Ukraine for years - now removed.

Some Ukraine scientists, engineers and military will have been involved in the Soviet NCB programs and Ukraine has had some time to put together a response package.

If Vlad detonates a weapon on Ukraine soil, he and he band of nutters will have to be pretty confident that something like a dirty bomb wont be used in a major Russian city.

Once Vlad starts scorching the earth of Ukraine, the people of Ukraine will have F-all left to do other than kill as many Russians as they can before they die, whether they be POW's, invaders in Crimea or kiddies in Moscow.

A response attack on mother "Russia" will be war porn for the Russian hardliners, but the hard liners aren't driving the shitty tanks or in a western air defence shooting gallery or seeing sons and father's conscripted (and being trained to kill and given guns).

I think Ukraine (and the west) need to give the Russian military a way out - a way of retreating back to Russia, declaring victory but most of all decapitating United Russia.

Driving a wedge between the fighting military and the political/spying cabal might help to progress regime change - there is no dialogue to be had with Vlad or his GRU thugs, but soldiers on a battlefield seem to have shared experience.

There doesn't seem much to be gained by further humiliating Russia's military (give them a good hoofing, though) - a sore looser is much more likely to come back for a second go - let them retreat and feast on their politicians and secret services.


 
Posted : 30/09/2022 3:43 pm
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I think Ukraine (and the west) need to give the Russian military a way out – a way of retreating back to Russia

Russia has always had that way out. All they need to do is retreat back to Russia.

There doesn’t seem much to be gained by further humiliating Russia’s military

They've humiliated themselves. Russia did this to themselves, it's not on other countries to bail them out of the hole they've dug.


 
Posted : 30/09/2022 3:48 pm
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If putin uses nukes the us have made it clear they will respond heavily. Not with nukes but sinking the black sea fleet and destroying bases sort of thing


 
Posted : 30/09/2022 3:55 pm
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And surely that would then warrant a response again from Putin? I doubt anyone believes that the RF are going to retreat back to Moscow. This is just another move from Putin to get what he wants. He will try and take Ukraine bit by bit.


 
Posted : 30/09/2022 4:07 pm
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Excellent article on how wars end.

Excellent article indeed.

I can see Putin going small scale nuclear if he's backed into a corner. All the "experts" seem to think Ukraine couldn't/wouldn't retaliate in kind, but NATO would decimate Russian flats and bases.

There doesn’t seem much to be gained by further humiliating Russia’s military (give them a good hoofing, though) – a sore looser is much more likely to come back for a second go – let them retreat and feast on their politicians and secret services.

I'd say this was the best but unlikely scenario - defeated Russian military turning on the person/regime who ultimately caused their defeat and losses. Not sure what would fill the void afterwards.


 
Posted : 30/09/2022 4:08 pm
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If putin uses nukes the us have made it clear they will respond heavily. Not with nukes but sinking the black sea fleet and destroying bases sort of thing

My guess is that the U.S. would probably declare a no-fly zone over Ukraine and send Patriot missile batteries (i.e. defensive weapons) to Ukraine, plus declare a total air and sea blockade of Russia rather than actually attacking Russian territory. In other words, Russia can stay within Russian borders, but cannot set foot outside those.

The point of this would be to utterly isolate Russia from any remaining allies. Using nukes would make it very difficult for China and India to stay on the fence. Attacking targets in Russia would alarm China, but China would probably go along with a blockade of Russia and a no-fly zone over Ukraine.

This is a bit like the first Iraq war where George H. Bush negotiated an international coalition, but the point was just to expel Iraqi forces from Kuwait, not to invade Iraq and overthrow the regime.


 
Posted : 30/09/2022 4:13 pm
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I’d say this was the best but unlikely scenario – defeated Russian military turning on the person/regime who ultimately caused their defeat and losses. Not sure what would fill the void afterwards.

For me there has to be an open door for the knobbers to walk through - "you scoot off back to Russia - don't let the Javelin hit you on the backside - and remove United Russia. We will be making some impressively conciliatory noises about self determination for regions and honouring Russian security."

As you point out - but what would replace the current mob?

I think fighting them back to the border will only bring, at best, a ceasefire long enough for Russia to re-equip, destabilise and plan.


 
Posted : 30/09/2022 4:32 pm
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https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1575854600925896705?s=20&t=ZjCnEIsPPk8PO_sl4QxyOQ

I don't believe thats expected to be approved, more a FU to Moscow


 
Posted : 30/09/2022 4:32 pm
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Also, we keep forgetting Ukrainian agency in this, the U.S. and NATO aren't in the war. A Ukrainian surrender would be up to Ukraine, not the U.S. If Russia used nukes against Ukraine, I doubt that Ukraine would surrender and it wouldn't stop the U.S. from supplying weapons to Ukraine. Russia is trying to persuade the U.S. into persuading Ukraine into surrendering, but Ukraine will not surrender. In order to coerce the U.S. into not supporting Ukraine, Putin has to directly threaten the U.S. An overt attack would be suicide, but making empty threats just makes Putin look pathetic. More importantly, China knows that an overt attack would be suicide, so every diplomatic backchannel right now will be urging Russia to just declare victory and go home. There's no winning for Putin in this, China knows this. Going nuclear won't make Ukraine surrender.


 
Posted : 30/09/2022 4:38 pm
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I think fighting them back to the border will only bring, at best, a ceasefire long enough for Russia to re-equip, destabilise and plan.

At the same time, Ukraine will be getting even more kit and training from the US.

The HIMARS systems that seemed to be the game changer for Ukraine, that wrecked the Russian logistics.

There were 8 of them. 8.

They are getting 16 more.

What if they had 50?

That time would give a chance to equip with F-16, F-18 and maybe a few A-10's.

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Posted : 30/09/2022 4:39 pm
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At the same time, Ukraine will be getting even more kit and training from the US.

The HIMARS systems that seemed to be the game changer for Ukraine, that wrecked the Russian logistics.

There were 8 of them. 8.

They are getting 16 more.

What if they had 50?

That time would give a chance to equip with F-16, F-18 and maybe a few A-10’s.

E

Until Trump or mini Trump gets in. Go ask the Kurds how they did as US "allies". Twice.

It needs an actual victory for Ukraine and a pretend victory for the nutters to last any time.


 
Posted : 30/09/2022 4:44 pm
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I think fighting them back to the border will only bring, at best, a ceasefire long enough for Russia to re-equip, destabilise and plan.

Look at the Israel vs Arab wars. Israel knew that defeat meant extermination so they knew that any peace treaty was just temporary. The Arab leaders kept launching attacks on Israel, but their soldiers were generally badly trained and led. The result was that Israel became the dominant power in the region despite having a fraction of the population of the Arab countries.

In the Ukraine vs. Russia case, you have Ukraine and Poland knowing that any treaty with Russia is meaningless, and also knowing that defeat means extermination. Plus Finland and Sweden are rich countries with advanced technology and military industries. Russia really looks like the Arab countries versus Israel, with badly trained and led armies, except that Russia doesn't have the overwhelming population advantage that the Arab countries had. A ceasefire might give Russia time to build an army, but it would also give Poland, Ukraine, Finland, Sweden, etc. time to tool up too. Except that Russia can't rearm without foreign technology, but NATO countries can. My money's on Russia losing in a long-term conflict.


 
Posted : 30/09/2022 5:08 pm
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that photo on the bbc of putin cheering the annexation made me feel sick. the amount of death. and they are cheering


 
Posted : 30/09/2022 5:13 pm
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You take small comfort that Putin as chief gangster has to live with other gangsters and cannot leave gangster land.


 
Posted : 30/09/2022 5:23 pm
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I'd give big odds against Russia using nukes against western countries, but my odds won't be as good against using battlefield tactical weapons; https://rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/russias-nonstrategic-nuclear-weapons-and-its-views-limited-nuclear-war
The west has, by and large, given up on tactical nuclear options, just extremely accurate conventional weapons that Russia doesn't have
Russia can't retreat currently without giving up Ukraine, which is a loss. The use of tactical nuclear weapons is psychologically awesome, both at home and abroad, but practically not so valuable depending on kilo-tonnage.
I think that to make a proper assessment you need to know what has been promised in retaliation. If the west has threatened to wipe Russia's conventional forces on land and sea out and enforce a no-fly zone over Russia then Russia will be forced to consider the possibility of other nations moving against its interests both within Russia and elsewhere, as well as being Vladimir-no-mates for having pushed that button


 
Posted : 30/09/2022 5:51 pm
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Could NATO sink the Black Sea Fleet? I'm assuming the Black Sea has a fair few British and American submarines in it, maybe some French ones? And a few more in the Baltic?


 
Posted : 30/09/2022 6:40 pm
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Could NATO sink the Black Sea Fleet?

Yes.


 
Posted : 30/09/2022 6:41 pm
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I come from the opposite end of the political spectrum to Tom Nicols, but he knows more about Russia than I do and has consistently argued against escalating the conflict to a nuclear level. I agree that we should just ignore Putin's threats.

https://twitter.com/RadioFreeTom/status/1575886848135667712


 
Posted : 30/09/2022 6:46 pm
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Could NATO sink the Black Sea Fleet?

I think within 48hrs NATO could sink every Russian navy vessel, disintegrate any remaining Russian planes, wipeout every factory making anything war related, make some nice firework displays near any munitions dumps and probably stick a business card through the Kremlin chimney on the end of a cruise missile.

Whether that would be advantageous, politically acceptable, environmentally or morally acceptable is of course unlikely.


 
Posted : 30/09/2022 6:49 pm
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I actually don't see much strategic value in NATO in sinking the Black Sea fleet.   It's spent most of the war skulking, hiding and playing little part in the fight since it managed to lose it's flagship and a few others to an adversary without a functioning navy.


 
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I actually don’t see much strategic value in NATO in sinking the Black Sea fleet

What if the strategy included making me feel considerably happier?


 
Posted : 30/09/2022 6:55 pm
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We don’t know the specific nature of the US threats do we? Maybe threatening Russias oil and gas infrastructure would carry more weight? Perhaps that’s why Russia sabotaged NS1/2 pipelines as a preemptive threat? It’s all smoke and mirrors.


 
Posted : 30/09/2022 7:00 pm
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What if the strategy included making me feel considerably happier?

You make a fair point.  Crack on, it would make me smile too!


 
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