Labelling the child 'trans' would be reason to be concerned though.
I'd agree that labels aren't particularly helpful. The kids should just be free to dress in whichever uniform they feel comfortable in. If my daughter wanted to wear trousers to school I'd be all for it. Completely aside from any gender issue, they are a lot more practical when it comes to larking about.
Boys are indeed boys and girls are indeed girls, but why should boys not wear dresses? Give me ONE good reason.
Tell the child the earth is square and the child will accept that.Tell the child pigs used to fly and the child will accept that.
I've told my kids that Brexit will work out fine and that Trump is the best president EVA!
Its the whole Pink vs Blue - Skirt vs Trousers - Football vs Netball thing I don't get.
All of these are fairly recent artificial gender markers.
So any "choice" certainly isn't drive by biology.
Do Scottish gender fluid boys refuse to wear kilts ?
Did Victorian dads thrash their boys until they were willing to wear manly pink ?
Or is the real problem society and the media selling an image onto kids far to young to have developed a sense of self let alone a sex
but why should boys not wear dresses? Give me ONE good reason.
OK then, dresses are not designed for pissing at a urinal.
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I'm going to assume you're not a parent then chewkw?How hard can it be to dictate to, manipulate or programme a 6 yr old child?
I can assure you that in Borneo one of our traditional pastime is to tell scary stories to scare the shite out of every kids we know ... It's compulsory I kid you not. 😆
We used to tell kids all sort of B-shite scary stories then tell the children to ask the parents then laughed our head off later on ... yes, we did. 😆
In the UK you might call that "child abuse" but in Borneo it is a favourite traditional story telling ... the child would be scared to the hilt but then when they reach certain age, they would understand all in the name of growing up and to build up "immunity". 😆
[quote=martinhutch ]I've told my kids that Brexit will work out fine and that Trump is the best president EVA!
How hard can it be to dictate to, manipulate or programme chewy?
A thought: did the six year old boy have an older sister so dresses were available?
At six years old I wore whatever was given to me, though I did like my superman trainers 'cause the tread went right up over the toe so you could run up walls.
I can assure you that in Borneo one of our traditional pastime is to tell scary stories to scare the shite out of every kids we know ...
Isn't there a danger that they grow up a bit wrong in the head with all sorts of weird ideas about maggots, zombie and the like?
How hard can it be to dictate to, manipulate or programme chewy?
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molgrips - MemberBoys are indeed boys and girls are indeed girls, but why should boys not wear dresses? Give me ONE good reason.
Because the world is full of arseholes, and perhaps 6 is a bit young to make a public statement about being transgender with all the discrimination and BS that sadly still goes with it.
My personal view is that six is too young to know that one's gender is 'wrong' and that for an adult to suggest or encourage a child to dress, act or behave in any particular manner is harmful and potentially negligent. Any child will have phases of behaviour.
Pretty much my personal view aswell.
OK then, dresses are not designed for pissing at a urinal.
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That's ok half the folk on here at least piss sitting down.OK then, dresses are not designed for pissing at a urinal.
OK then, dresses are not designed for pissing at a urinal.
You've never been out in Newcastle I see.
I was once approached by some religious leaders trying to "brother" me this or "brother" me that ... crikey ... I mean of all the people they chose me. It was fun ... I bet they felt dirty after being "infected" (reverse programmed) by me. 😆aracer - Member
How hard can it be to dictate to, manipulate or programme chewy?martinhutch » I've told my kids that Brexit will work out fine and that Trump is the best president EVA!
No, they all grew up feeling like a "donkey" and embarrassed for believing the scary stories (some true some not) we told them. We usually repeat the stories back to them in front of their women/girls/whatever but everyone just laughed ... no big deal. It's a way to distinguish between bullshite and reality. 😆GrahamS - Member
Isn't there a danger that they grow up a bit wrong in the head with all sorts of weird ideas about maggots, zombie and the like?
Rachael, that female urinal is just a poor proof of concept. Unlike a genuine urinal your legs would inevitably touch either side and get covered in other people's piss.
OK then, dresses are not designed for pissing at a urinal.
As a semi-regular kilt-wearer, it's not that hard.
It's a way to distinguish between bullshite and reality.
Doesn't seem that effective to be honest 😆
Boys are indeed boys and girls are indeed girls, but why should boys not wear dresses? Give me ONE good reason.Because the world is full of arseholes, and perhaps 6 is a bit young to make a public statement about being transgender with all the discrimination and BS that sadly still goes with it.
A boy wearing a dress isn't necesarily identifying as transgender, they're just a boy wearing a dress.
My personal view is that six is too young to know that one's gender is 'wrong' and that for an adult to suggest or encourage a child to dress, act or behave in any particular manner is harmful and potentially negligent. Any child will have phases of behaviour.
Pretty much my personal view aswell.
The only adults telling a six-year-old to dress in a particular manner are the ones who made the complaint. Everyone else was quite happy letting the six-year-old wear whatever he wanted to wear.
The designer(s) need to be fired for falling basic practical product design. 😯enfht - Member
That ladies urinal is just a poor proof of concept. Unlike the genuine urinal your legs would inevitably touch either side and get covered in other people's piss.
That depends on the way people are programmed ... 😆GrahamS - Member
It's a way to distinguish between bullshite and reality.
Doesn't seem that effective to be honest
However they are entitled to their opinion, not something that goes down well here.
Folks are entitled to whatever opinion they chose - they are also entitled to the rebuttal they get..
Quite tempted to get myself a male cut dress actually. Just because.
OK then, dresses are not designed for pissing at a urinal.
I would have thought they are better than trousers actually. Just hold the hem in your teeth and away you go.
I teach in a large sixth form college in a market town in the north east of England.
25 years ago, when I was a student here, there was only one openly gay student.
A few years ago we started to get a few trans* students, but they were very quiet and everything was very hush-hush and whispered.
We now have loads of openly gay, trans*, non-binary, genderfluid, asexual, whatever students and nobody gives a shit. It's brilliant.
Ok, here goes...
For those who say that 6 is too young to know about gender you are wrong.
I've never said this in public before but I am gender fluid and I've known this since my very earliest memory.
At nursery school I wanted to play with the dolls and dressing up stuff because that's where I felt "right". I was made to play with the cars and guns with the boys because that is what boys did.
At primary school I wanted to wear the same summer dresses as the girls and have long hair. Unlike today though there was no understanding, just an evil old bitch of a teacher who beat boys for crying, or showing any emotion with a metre long wooden ruler. I was a very unhappy child!
However these feelings of femininity were not continuous and still aren't which is why I never transitioned. Probably half my time in in male mode and half in female mode.
Now, 40 years on I'm in a great relationship with a partner who is happy for me to be who I need to be, and on warm days I'm more likely to be found wandering around Scotland in a skirt than trousers and shorts. As of yet I've never had more than a raised eyebrow.
But if I'd been able to express myself and be 'me" from an early age, I may well not have had all the mental health problems which dogged most of my adult life including some close escapes with suicide.
Please let your children be who they want to be. Don't judge, because it's not a choice and not something anyone would choose. It's a desperate need to be able to be me.
That's it really. Be gentle...
Brave statement boriselbrus. Glad things are a bit better for you now.
Please let your children be who they want to be. Don't judge, because it's not a choice and not something anyone would choose. It's a desperate need to be able to be me.
+1.
As they say....."Thanks for sharing..."
boriselbrus - cap doffed to you, old fruit*. Stories like yours do far more to change entrenched attitudes than the couple who inspired this thread.
*nearly typed 'old chap' but, you know.... 😀
Calling the child 'trans' would be reason to be concerned though.
Especially if the kid is overweight. Cos trans fat is considered bad now.
Delete your account.
Brave statement boriselbrus.
Indeed. Well said, that can't have been easy.
Again, well said.
I always thought trans fatty acid was a kind of dance music for northerners.
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Hug boris
[s]I wouldn't give a damn who my kids were at school with. I tried to read between the lines in this story and there is one thing that concerns me. I find it hard to believe a 6 year old has any idea what gender they are, and it would be a mistake to pick one if[/s]
Edit see below some kind of double post issue.
In the far east even in a 60% moslamic country we don't really give much attention to a person's gender. i.e. 3rd gender/trans etc because it is no big deal and in some areas common. (however recently with extreme thinking things might have changed a bit ... )
However, at school or at work (public institution) the person must wear the clothing according to their gender. A must. i.e. the gender they are born with physically, and if they have transitioned by reassigning their gender to a different one then be that gender. Cannot be both at the same time in public office. If the person is working for a private company nobody cares or gives a monkey and the person can be superman nobody cares.
Beyond school or work nobody gives a monkey about gender coz it's a private matter. Be whatever they wish ...
incorrect facts
Wha?
Well spoken Boriselbus very honest of you.
I'm more likely to be found wandering around Scotland in a skirt than trousers and shorts.
A traditionalist too. 😉
I wouldn't give a damn who my kids were at school with. Boriselbrus, I admire your approach. To me if you find that conventional definitions of gender and the way you dress and look do not fit with the way you are, then picking one is a mistake. Wear what you want, have sex with who you want.
If we had less rigid ideas about how a man and a woman should behave and appear then I think this would not be an issue in any way and the world would be a much nicer place.
Cannot be both at the same time in public office. If the person is working for a private company nobody cares
Seems like an odd distinction. Why is that?
Wait... genderfluid?
*heads off to google*
Huh. Well the more you know.
[quote=enfht ]Rachael, that female urinal is just a poor proof of concept.
Piss poor?
Thanks for that boris - I'm more than happy to defer to experience. I suppose those of us who identify as the same gender as the bits we have aren't so conscious of gender identity because it's not really something we've ever had to think about.
Thanks for posting boriselbrus - can't have been easy. I'm glad you're in a good place now.
But if I'd been able to express myself and be 'me" from an early age, I may well not have had all the mental health problems which dogged most of my adult life including some close escapes with suicide
Cis hetero people also benefit from society becoming more progressive and accepting, rather than feeling confined to traditional male/female gender studies stereotypes. Everyone's a winner.
EDIT - Probably irrelevant
Social gender isn't the same as biological gender anyway. There are plenty of instances of non-binary gender positions coming up in cultures all over the world throughout history.
because it's not really something we've ever had to think about.
I wonder if that is really true/correct. I mean you may have considered playing with girls toys and wearing dresses as a small child and just got redirected by your parents. It might not have seemed worth fighting over at age 3 so maybe you brushed it off and followed the herd. Can you remember back that far?
Their religion. i.e. moslamic. They cannot be seen as "bending the rules in public(religious rules because the country is proclaimed a moslamic country). The public institution is monopolised (95% or some 100%) by the people of that religion.GrahamS - Member
Seems like an odd distinction. Why is that?Cannot be both at the same time in public office. If the person is working for a private company nobody cares
The difference between the west and the east regarding gender is this.
1. In the west it's all in your face thing by insisting it is a public matter by involving everyone, whether they like it or not.
2. In the far east nobody makes it a big deal by insisting on gaining recognition, coz it's more of a private matter. Everyone knows there are many genders long long time ago. A fact. Their attitude is "so you want to be a different gender so what? What's the big deal? Nobody cares so long as it is at your own time.
Just forced myself to listen to the parents being interviewed by Adrian Chile's. They dont have a clue why the are protesting. They tried saying it was out of love for the other child, then they said he needed medical help, then they said he shouldn't be allowed to change anything until he is 18. They asked where would it stop and questioned what would happen if he identified with being a lion.
Complete idiots.
