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Oh you silly, silly naive relativist; sadly I've known, lived with, and watched junkies die their sordid, sad lives. Dealers are parasitic scum living off their own communities and should not be mourned for a minute. "Positive aspect of his life." **** that, I can only imagine you're still grooving to your Gary Glitter discs and bemoaning the cruelty of all those nasty judgemental types.
Do what?
Where did I say a 'dealer should be mourned'? Where?
What I did say, which you obverussly din't read through all your steaming bile, was that maybe those who lost a loved member of their family might have wanted to pay tribute to someone they saw some good in. Don't they have the right to do so? I dare say those close to Tony Blair will want to commemorate his life when he passes...
As for the rest of your post; go and have a lie down. Sounds like you need it.
What I did say, which you obverussly din't read through all your steaming bile, was that maybe those who lost a loved member of their family might have wanted to pay tribute to someone they saw some good in.
No mate, no steaming bile just no time for dealers. If a family wants to cvelebrate their beloved dealer-in-the-family and the luxuries their death pimping bring, well, **** 'em too. (And no, no time for arms dealers, investment bankers etc either; soulless, exploitative capitalists - whichever side of the 'law' they operate on - *can* be judged for the scumbags they are.)
No seriously, please go and have a lie down. You must be very tired. You'll do yourself a mischief if you carry on being so wound up.
Are you constipated?
I have reached the conclusion that "ilovemygears" is actually a very clever troll, possibly one of the other regulars in disguise, who has initiated a situation in which all the "Daily Mail" flogem-and-hangem tendencies can exercise their need to froth at the mouth, and also expose the damaged crippled underbelly of modern Britain that is represented here in microcosm. The upside is that they also get exposed to a reasoned level of rebuttal, which may have the chance of penetrating their knee-jerk, emotional response defences.
I mean:
they need a quality eduction provided by the state. Class dosent effect youre IQ.
This so heavily laced with intelligent irony that I just can't believe the writer isn't a comedy genius.
Troll of the year. My hat. Off.
Yeah but troll or not; I find it a bit disturbing that there are genuinely people out there who are that ignorant and blinkered.
I think the quote that Flashy posted is very poignant indeed. 🙁
Yes.
The whole incident will now be subject to intense scrutiny by the IPCA. [b]If that's not justice I don't know what is[/b].
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Anyone?
Given that the media has recently been awash with stories about police corruption, and that these regular indications of the fact that venality and self-interest are as endemic within the police force as anywhere else and that, as Elfin says, even nice "white" middle-class people are unlikely to automatically trust the police these days:
Yes, you don't know what justice is.
How's that?
It will be interesting to see what the truth actually is here about the shot man.
Youth worker Michelle Jackson, 43, ................"I knew the person that was shot, he's a really nice guy, and they're making him out to be some kind of gangster involved in guns and all that kind of stuff.
Indeed.
"They're making their presence known because people are not happy," she said. "This guy was not violent. Yes, he was involved in things, but he was not an aggressive person."
To be fair, Teej, people do tend to come forward and say positive things about someone who's just died.
At the end of it all, there's 4 young children who have lost their daddy. Whatever the whys and wherefores, we, as a society, ought to be working together to ensure their futures are brighter and more positive.
This thread doesn't suggest that such a thing is about to miraculously happen though. 🙁
Indeed - they always do. It will be interesting tho when the truth comes out as it will.
it is easier to be critical than correct
No seriously, please go and have a lie down. You must be very tired. You'll do yourself a mischief if you carry on being so wound up.
Why do you think I'm wound up? You're not very good at reading people so I'd stop trying to do it - you're onto a loser on that path.
Pleased you can keep sidestepping reality; some people need other means to do so but for you it seems natural.
The plot thickens..
The bullet which was found lodged in the radio of one of the officers at the scene is still undergoing forensic tests. But reliable sources have said the first ballistics examinations suggested it was a police issue bullet.These are very distinct as the Metropolitan Police uses dum dum type hollowed out bullets designed not to pass through an object.
The early suggestion from the IPCC was that the Met officers had returned fire after someone in the minicab opened fire. But the result of the ballistics early test suggests both shots fired came from the police
yup lefty muck stirring channel4 news was hinting at the same thing earlier
confidence in the met is so low with regards to killing people and then issuing missinformation/lying about it afterwards that these rumours are likely to stick with a lot of people
If early reports are to be believed its kicking off in Enfield as I type.
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kimbers - Memberyup lefty muck stirring channel4 news
Yeah, the muck should be left where it is, eh?
i should have added a 😉 im a fully paid up whining guardian reading john snow fanboy
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That is the Government for you opening the doors for scums and dead beats, I feared for the future in UK as this country is ruined now.
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You think [i]you're[/i] worried about the future of our country? Try being us reading that.
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rainbow.
edit. He isn't saying what I think he is saying is he?
Nah; surely [i]nobody[/i] could be that thick??
either spectacularly stupid or spectacularly ignorant.
a friend of ours in Enfield has just seen 20 hooded and masked people walk past their house on Ladysmith Road headed into Enfield Town
why, why, why...........
i can only hope for local resdents sake that these gangs are dealt with promptly by the Police to minimise intimidation and damage to the local law abiding residents
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Did he really say that? Is this 1972? What an utter twunt!!!
Seems as if Enfield is kicking off and some rioters have arrived by BIKE.
If anyone is planning on a night of rioting and mayhem, could you please pick me up a pair of black Adidas Samba Classic, size 42?
Thanks in advance.
Is there an Evans in Enfield?
What that shop for big lasses?
Have you put on weight, Dunt? 😯
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Is it kicking off tonight again?
Almost certainly. It'll be like the last wave of riots in the 80's. It will become a summer fad with lots of media hand-wringing going on.
mmm ... as a good guardian reader, I've been watching c4 news - lots of talk of inner city areas being a 'tinderbox', followed by the inevitable political point scoring about 'why'. Just made me think about the 'location assumptions' that exist - ie if you live in certain places you must be a violent criminal, whereas in other places the police are more likely to assume you're a fine upstanding member of society.
Used to happen all the time when I lived in Leeds - if you walked through chapeltown you'd often get stopped and searched for no particular reason, but as soon as you'd crossed over to headingley or chapel allerton, you were fine. Same person, looking / acting the same - but in one location regularly stopped by the police and in others you weren't. Maybe the continous differential treatment people get in different places leads to some of the 'tinderbox' that politicians are so keen to refer to.
I've noticed it even more since I've lived in rural backwaters of Scotland and Wales - despite living in inner city Leeds for years, the only place I've been shot at or threatened with a gun has been in Scotland. And the police reaction has been completely different - no armed response unit swooping down, just the local bobby strolling down to have a look and going 'ah yes, slightly different angle and it would have gone through the back of your head rather than just shooting out the rear windscreen - I'll go up tomorrow and have a chat'
maybe we need to consider how we treat people and communities, and how that then affects how they react?
I'm just off out to start a riot so I can loot me a new cooker, it aint my fault guv, society made me do it.
Seems tonight's trouble is more about youths having a do with the fuzz rather than any significant 'political' statement. Quite possibly some of those from last night fancying another night of grabbing stuff and having a buzz. Riots are very exciting and the adrenaline rush is tremendous.
A lot of anger out there though. And where? Seems to be concentrated in the more deprived areas, unsurprisingly.
it aint my fault guv, society made me do it
Of course individuals should have a grasp on social responsibility, but shoon't we be looking at [i]why[/i] some don't seem to have any sense of such responsibility, rather than getting all angry and condemning others?
Those idiots out there tonight are causing untold damage to society, not just a few shops etc. But maybe they just see it as a buzz, having a laugh, having a bit of power. I think the key is to harness that energy and use it in more positive and productive ways, because it can be done.
Not the easiest task when there are fewer decent jobs, prospects, opportunities and possibilities, and more frustration, resentment and fear.
I woon't want to be a young person growing up in an urban area right now.
harness that energy and use it in more positive and productive ways, because it can be done.
like rebuilding the homes and shops they have destroyed
like rebuilding the homes and shops they have destroyed
Isn't that the model used by the USA in Iraq?
that's irrelevant
For as long as there's been cities, there's been rioting. As soon as you put people into poverty and make them live on top of each other the foundation is created. I'm not sure that you can ever remove completely the likelihood of unrest without addressing poverty first.
It does amuse me when I listen to politicians and the police condemning the violence as being perpetrated by 'mindless thugs'. What does mindless thug actually mean? It's a sound bite, a stereotype. It's irelevant and condescending to the people involved and people observing. It serves no purpose other than to maintain the status quo. I'm sure that every person involved in the disorder had a reason, I doubt anyone 'mindlessly' went outside the other evening. As with many situations and conflicts we would be well served by listening to WHY before deciding HOW to resolve the problems.
Well, the last two main riots in Vancouver have been over hockey matches so that blows that theory out of the water.... Dickheads are dickheads....
Dickheads are dickheads
Reasonable analysis of the riots in general. None (or almost none) of the rioting was to do with the initial incident; it was just about the act of rioting and looting.
Incidentally, extra points to Elfin for posting that link to the Churchill page. It's the same sort of pseudo-intellectual crap that he (quite rightly) slams the EDL/BNP/far right for; fundamentally incorrect with just enough fact scattered around to further convince the already convinced of its truth.
These are very distinct as the Metropolitan Police uses dum dum type hollowed out bullets designed not to pass through an object.
Sorry for the change of subject, but I thought these were outlawed years ago. Designed to expand and fragment on impact to cause untold damage....that's what I thought.
From what I understand not all hollow-point rounds are dumdums. Supposedly the ones the police use don't fragment but they do mushroom slightly to stop it going through the person being shot.
horseshite of the highest order. Unless your idea of a reason is tograb a new tv or case of voddie from aldi'sI'm sure that every person involved in the disorder had a reason, I doubt anyone 'mindlessly' went outside the other evening.
Well he's right. Some went out to burn carpet right and loot xbox games. Some went out to lob bricks at the police and burn cars belonging to locals. That's going out with purpose!
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You've made my point for me really, sucked in by sound bites because it's easier than adressing the issues. Let's start with hockey shall we? It's not mindless, there's a point to it. Whats the point? Looting, there's a point to it, would it happen in Oslo? Why not, and what could be done to prevent it happening here? The only mindless behaviour is that of those watching and commenting. EVERYBODY ELSE has a purpose.
Eh? Please enlighten us soundbitebrainwashedmindlessones on this"purpose", I for one am ready to see the light
As soon as you put people into poverty and make them live on top of each other the foundation is created. I'm not sure that you can ever remove completely the likelihood of unrest without addressing poverty first.
So kids were nicking trainers because they live in poverty?
Come off it - it was just opportunists stealing crap - most of them will have got home (to their Wii and PS3) and realised that they had, in fact, just stolen 3 pairs of rugby boots, a sports bra and an umbrella and it will all be in the bin by now.
Come off it - it was just opportunists stealing crap -
^^This^^ (At least for the idiots last night)
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Welcome To Tory Britain.
See youse later, I'm off to the West End...
And labour Britain was riot free?
Jamie - surely that should read 'Steal more eggs'?
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Of course if Tottenham was branded better this wouldn't have happened. The lack of a good logo definitely caused this.
A quick spin through the beeb and other online sources will give you s starting point j_me, I'm not doing everything for you. Funny how it's always the poor who are 'mindless' isn't it? Why is that?
Eh? Please enlighten us soundbitebrainwashedmindlessones on this"purpose", I for one am ready to see the light
really? i mean, [i]really[/i]? c'mon, think about it. you'll be the first to admit you've seen quite enough light thank you.
Perhaps they're all angry about Luca Modric going to Chelsea?
I accept there are underlying social and economic problems, I accept that these are highly likey to give rise to malcontent and even civil unrest.
But what "purpose" were they united in, socio economic change? Nah, a general expression of discontent from some maybe. Opportunistic neds out for themselves definitely.
Welcome To Tory Britain.
who'd have thought 75% cuts to youth services in harringey this year wouldve come round to bite them in the ass so soon
Opportunistic neds out for themselves definitely.
It was city boys and Tories rioting then?
I believe that they were stealing xbox games from Currys, particularly historic role-play ones, so that they could fill in the gaps in their learning that the cuts in the education system have left.
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Of course if Tottenham was branded better this wouldn't have happened. The lack of a good logo definitely caused this
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what a load of pc drivel on this thread! Excuse after excuse has been written for the actions of idiots over the last couple of days even to the point of calling people racist for having an opinion.
I’d be interested to know how many have actually grown up on an inner city council estate which is rife with drugs and robberies?
All previous riots within london followed the same trend, with similar minded people making the same excuses as we have on this thread.
thank gawd your here lockrobnkel we were all waiting for you to tell us how to sort out all this riot mess
Was the shot person a promising footballer?
Its just 80's nostalgia gtaken to its logical conclusion. We've the evil tory government, rampant unemployment, obscene inequality, the rioting was the only thing missing
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Oops! I seem to have inadvertently posted a picture of another coloured gentlemen who died in police custody. Wasn't he alledged to have stabbed himself through the heart while making a cup of tea? A completely plausible story which in no way had 'police cover-up' written all over it
Was the shot person a promising footballer?
probably. He was probably also very popular and did charity work too!
Apparently the looters in Wood Green HMV smashed up all the Marvin Gaye, Aretha Franklin and Joss Stone CDs they could find.
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Soul destroying.
IGMC
My heart goes out to all the Crack-Heroin selling, ****less, gun carrying and violent youths down there.
Apperently its going to kick off again there this evening.
turns out that bullet lodged in the police radio was police issue....oops
turns out that bullet lodged in the police radio was police issue....oops
Is a fact or journalistic conjecture?
Remember the last time the Press went rampant ruining lives?
http://news.sky.com/home/article/15874586
hora - MemberMy heart goes out to all the Crack-Heroin selling, ****less, gun carrying and violent youths down there.
Apperently its going to kick off again there this evening.
Great, I just got in after a 23 hour shift. Can they wait until i've had some sleep?
Joss Stone? Soul?
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I just got in after a 23 hour shift.
Bloody part timers! 😉
Its arrange for between 7-8pm as 'silent vigil' outside the Police Station.
WTF.