[Closed] The lad that's been stabbed and killed whilst robbing!

Drac, there really is no point...

If they dont go burgling houses then they wont get stabbed while burgling a house. It's pretty simple really.

Nahhh ... use bow and arrow instead or a crossbow or booby trap them with bear trap.

I have a longbow with a 70lb draw, my mate has a goats-foot crossbow with a 320lb draw weight. The longbow will definitely kill, the crossbow will probably put a hole in someone you could put your arm through, not really the sort of thing to be shooting at anyone.

live by the sword.. die by the sword.. I have no sympathy..

If they dont go burgling houses then they wont get stabbed while burgling a house. It's pretty simple really.

's pretty much my feelings.

I find the attitude of those who would kill just as unpalatable as those who would rob.

See, here's the thing. This is the Internet. It's like being in the pub after six pints. People will make bold cocksure claims like "well, if they came in my house, they'd bloody regret it, I'd kick the snot out of them and they'd beg me to kill them by the end" when in actual fact what would really happen is that they'd involuntarily piss themselves and cry like a schoolgirl whose puppy just got run over. Myself included.

Once you break the law you forfit any rights. You chose to enter the house. If you choose to enter a derelict building and it falls on you. Your choice. If you choose to ride a black run and you hurt your self, your choice.
1 less I say and good job.

If only insurers saw it that black and White!!

Cougar - Member

See, here's the thing. This is the Internet. It's like being in the pub after six pints. People will make bold cocksure claims like "well, if they came in my house, they'd bloody regret it, I'd kick the snot out of them and they'd beg me to kill them by the end" when in actual fact what would really happen is [b]that they'd involuntarily piss themselves and cry like a schoolgirl whose puppy just got run over. Myself included.[/b]

LOL! True, true ... yes, minor things you might as well let them have it but if your family is in danger just don't be a nancy boy and defend with all your might until the last drop of your blood.

Junkyard: "It is not like Vikings are arriving and you need to fight for your life or your families."

True, true ... they are fighting machine ...

wrightyson - Member

If only insurers saw it that black and White!!

Insurers! Runnnnn!!! Damn! ... That you definitely do not want to mess with.

People will make bold cocksure claims like "well, if they came in my house, they'd bloody regret it, I'd kick the snot out of them and they'd beg me to kill them by the end

As a counter balance, I would shit myself and they would probably feel too embarrassed by me crying in the foetal position to even steal my stuff.

He complied and handed them over, and then matey stabbed him anyway. Guy just survived.

There is a point in there somewhere.

Clearly 😯

Another reasonable force gone too far:
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2010/01/20/uk-britain-vigilante-idUKTRE60J2J420100120

At least people are talking about burglaries, it's not "robbery" as OP has listed, very different offences.

Who knows what happened but it does look as if a "not entirely innocent fella" suffered so the incident is not without some symmetry.

Should'nt have broken in!
I know one thing i will do the same if confronted with someone in my house
got what the scum deserves.And shows what scum they where has his friends
left him there.

Zero tolerance here

My dad gave me his old lead injected chair leg that he used to keep under the bar in the pub we used to own.It now rests beside me and the wifes bed in our home.Never used it.Never want to use it but I will if me and/or my family are ever endagerd.Before anyone says "you can't use that" it's simple - don't break into my house and I won't have to.

At least people are talking about burglaries, it's not "robbery" as OP has listed, very different offences

then you could be charged with an offence the same as if you were tooled up in the street for purely self protection reasons. Why not use it only if they attack you rather than because they enter your property?
Two wrongs dont make a right.

[i]Every morning at the mine, you could see him arrive.
He stood 6 foot 6, weighed 245.[/i]

an other P.O.S off the streets, these people will only piss on you if your on fire to put the flames out so they can steal your wallet,yes a waste of a young life ,it was there choice to to go into the house, wait now to see the facts.

Clearly

Yes.

I have no information but that terrible bad person should definiteley be shot or killed. I spelled definitely right btw.

then you could be charged with an offence the same as if you were tooled up in the street for purely self protection reasons. Why not use it only if they attack you rather than because they enter your property?
Two wrongs dont make a right.

In reality this is seldom the case. Although it may be in daily mail land. Unless the intruder receives an absolutely disproportionate hiding nobody from the police to the legal system are interested despite what urban myths are out there.

I'd say getting killed would be classed as a disproportionate hiding.

yes good point and a fair correction, sorry I was getting carried away there. I was assuming they said they would kill them [ as others suggest] but they did not. They mean to defend themself which they can do. Hit them a few times ok beat them to death not ok.
Some people think the later is ok the poster I responded to to has not suggested this. Sorry.

I've been down there today covering this story.... don't know yet what really happened however seeing the police presence, size of the cordon and the fact that no one in the area would talk to us (didn't want to get involved) there is way more to this than a burglary gone wrong.

I would shit myself if someone broke into my house in the middle of the night but I think if you break and enter someone elses property than you sign away all and every one of your rights...ergo if you get killed than that's tough shit. If you're big enough to try and pull stuff like that than you should be big enough to face the consequences.

The crux of the matter for me is that you have no idea of somebody's intention when they arrive. Sure, it is harsh if some guy gets shot dead for trying to nick a laptop in somebody else's living room. But if you wake up in the middle of the night with strangers in balaclava's in your house and you comply with them to avoid violence...what if they then rape your wife? Beat your kids?

I have a lot of sympathy for people who find themselves on a charge for defending themselves in this situation. It's easy to analyse reasonable force sat at a computer or in a courtroom after the event but it must be terrifying at the time not knowing what is going to happen.

The moral of the story is don't break into people's homes and you don't risk getting pounded on. I can think of few reasons why you would find yourselves in a strangers house in the middle of the night by accident.

Can't say I am sad that some thieving lowlife is now dead. Should be more of I think (dead thieving lowlifes). I am fed up with people thinking they can have whatever they want and that there are no consequences.

I think we will find out that this may not have been a burglary but some sort of dispute that went wrong. I wouldn't be surprised if the protagonists knew each other, burglary used as a cover etc. Time will tell!

It could very well be robbery scaredypants -only people can be robbed and only properties/premises can be burgled. People in a property are robbed when violence is used or threatened in order to steal from them.

I'd probably shit myself too but I've two small children and a wife to protect, I'm probably bigger than the burglar and once the adrenaline kicked in I'd be looking to maim or kill tbh. No apologies for that.

there are no consequences.

I know two Consequences. They both seem like reasonable people though and probably don't believe in idiotic things like capital punishment.

Good on people that do though... woooh, let's kill some people who are desperate enough to steal from others, yay, awesome!!!

So would i DD are you infering thats what i said?
There is a general misconception that if you slap a burglar you will get locked up etc when it's quite evidently bollocks. The point I am making (and by the miracle of copy and paste I made that clear) if you give a burglar a good hiding then you will not be treated as if you are "tooled up"

what if they then rape your wife? Beat your kids?

The moral of the story is don't break into people's homes and you don't risk getting pounded on.

if you give a burglar a good hiding then you will not be treated as if you are "tooled up"

I'm not inferring anything surfer. Stop trying to start a fight. Otherwise I may have to take the well rolled up magazine I keep by the side of the bed and give you and that disproportionately cute dog of yours a hiding. 😀

Surrounded By Zulus - Member

If they dont go burgling houses then they wont get stabbed while burgling a house. It's pretty simple really.

🙂

I'm with lodrick on this and we are both from the same part of the world where this type of activity is far too frequent. Fear would force me to react first and ask questions later I think as long as the guy ends up in hospital and not the morgue I suspect in the real world I would not end up in prison.

burglary = bad , killing = bad, two wrongs dont make a right.

Yes, but at the actual time of someone breaking and entering your house how you could possibly know that it is 'only' a burglary?!

I agree things like rape/beatings/torture are extremely unlikely but I doubt that's much comfort at the time to somebody faced with masked intruders in the middle of the night, so you could hardly blame someone for lashing out.

If you could see into the future and know that some dudes in your house were definitely only going to rob your TV and stuff and then walk out, it would all be fine, no?

Surely the crux of the matter is that you would have no idea what is going on and would be shitting yourself. Of course you could plot the best, calmest and most logical course of action if you had a crystal ball.

[i]Nobody seemed to know where John called home
He just drifted into town and stayed all alone.
He didn't say much, kind of quiet and shy
And if you spoke at all, you'd just said hi to Big John.[/i]

Junkyard - Member
then you could be charged with an offence the same as if you were tooled up in the street for purely self protection reasons. Why not use it only if they attack you rather than because they enter your property?
Two wrongs dont make a right

OK there is one thing of being convicted for the crime committed But how about being tried
for the reason one committed the crime on the other person/persons?

The law simply needs a large update.

I'd take no chances with an intruder. I live in a remote area, nobody is going to hear a shout for help here and even gun shots are not uncommon due to hunting (even at night).

On the plus side, nobody is going to hear a shout for help here and even gun shots are not uncommon even at night. And I have a lot of space to bury bodies too..

OK there is one thing of being convicted for the crime committed But how about being tried for the reason one committed the crime on the other person/persons?

The law simply needs a large update.

Just watching ufc on extreme, could easily be some of these keyboard warriors... ground and pound that burglar!

On the plus side, nobody is going to hear a shout for help here and even gun shots are not uncommon even at night. And I have a lot of space to bury bodies too..

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I was in a house converted to flats one night when a big gang of lads kicked the front door in and steamed the flats in turn. They didn't get as far as my flat but I was so hyped up I'd have killed the first three through the door and thrown the fourth out the window. I wasn't thinking or reasoning about just cause or reasonable force. I was shitting myself and was completely off the wall. It's not about possessions or insurance. Try being there before casting judgement.

I have no idea what happened in this particular situation but it is a pretty terrifying thing to go through from my experience. It is entirely possible that perfectly normal people have been pushed to respond in a completely abnormal way by an extreme incident and while death is an extreme punishment for an apparent robbery, the mitigating circumstances of this need to be taken into account.

Oh, and yes. It was in Liverpool.