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This is a very exciting race, lots of overtaking makes all the difference. 🙂

Not sure whether to stick with the GP or flick over to the TdF...

stoffel I like the cut of your Jib

Lewis bemoans his luck, how soon he forgets British gp, what an arse...
He should be over the moon he has such a superior car to the make up for his continuous mistakes all this year, qualy, not nursing car when he should,out breaking himself, he would be so many points in front, nico would be the one under pressure and he could afford a few car issues...
the team must think what the hell does this guy need to not make him so miserable, put his frikin pet Chiwawa as a teammate!!!
nico just smiles, shrugs his shoulders and gets on with it on the track

Mistakes? His DNFs have been machanical yes? Not driver error.

Lewis bemoans his luck, how soon he forgets British gp, what an arse...
He should be over the moon he has such a superior car to the make up for his continuous mistakes all this year, qualy, not nursing car when he should,out breaking himself, he would be so many points in front, nico would be the one under pressure and he could afford a few car issues...
the team must think what the hell does this guy need to not make him so miserable, put his frikin pet Chiwawa as a teammate!!!
nico just smiles, shrugs his shoulders and gets on with it on the track

What races have you been watching? Granted he has made some mistakes but all his DNF's have been technical issues with the car and not his fault.

Also, I'm pretty sure Nico's face was tripping him when Lewis went on his winning spree

What a race! Shame we didn't get a safety car or it might have been a different result.

I can see Hamilton leaving for another team ..... I can't see him beating Rosberg this year

Keke Rosberg won!

Well done to Keke. 😆

A lot of people, Lewis included, believed he would be significantly better than Nico,and that Lewis would be no 1. Nico has proven to be a lot better than people gave him credit for, and is up there on merit. If it were not for bad luck in the British GP, he'd be even forther infront. As mentioned; Lewis moans, while Nico just gets on with thngs. Maybe Leiws, for all his speed and ability, just isn't as good as he thinks he is.

I remember people also saying that Kimi would be better than Fernando. In fact, you couldbuy t-shirts proclaiming 'Fernando; Kimi is quicker than you'. How foolish they must feel now; qualis 9-2, races 11-0 to Fernando. 😆 It's h=just a shame He and Vettel are in such relatively poor cars this year, hopefully next year will be a lot more even. At least we have two very evenly matched drivers at Mercedes to offer a respte to the procession.

One of Lewis's dnf was because he didn't drop back and cool his brakes after the team told him to, nico had exact same problem and he finished,
how many more examples of this do we need to see to show Lewis is just not as a complete driver as he thinks he is and he thinks he should be treated as
mentally he is going to be crushed if nico takes this title
he will not let himself comprehend that he is being beaten and so blames 'luck' and team issues and strategy rather than his mistakes on qualifying , race strategy
so he will head off again running away to another team hoping they will pander to him and male him no.1 with no questions.

stoffel - Member
I remember people also saying that Kimi would be better than Fernando. In fact, you couldbuy t-shirts proclaiming 'Fernando; Kimi is quicker than you'.

I prefer Kimi for they way he makes me laugh in typical Finnish style. i.e. leave me alone I can deal with it ...

Just like my Finnish housemate long time ago ...

😆

stoffel - Member
A lot of people, Lewis included, believed he would be significantly better than Nico,and that Lewis would be no 1. Nico has proven to be a lot better than people gave him credit for, and is up there on merit. If it were not for bad luck in the British GP, he'd be even forther infront. As mentioned; Lewis moans, while Nico just gets on with thngs. Maybe Leiws, for all his speed and ability, just isn't as good as he thinks he is.

Having raced with Nico since they were 14 years old, I'm sure he knows exactly how good he is 😉

As for the bad luck in the British, how about Lewis' bad luck at Australia, Canada and today in Germany?

Exclude the races where one or other has DNF or and the results are:

Malaysia - Lewis
Bahrain - Lewis
China - Lewis
Spain - Lewis
Monaco - Rosberg (Nico's qualy 'mishap' which prevented Ham setting a time - but he should have gone out earlier)
Austria - Rosberg (Hami mistake in qualy, started from 9th and was gaining on Nico but ran out of laps)

Lewis has the edge, without the DNFs personally I think he'd have a clear lead in the DC.

fixed for you

Bahrain - Lewis (Rosberg let Lewis win after Lewis made outrageous and dangerous overtaking and defending moves against his team mate with the potential of taking them both out of the GP)

China - Lewis - you dont count losing telemetry and radio/data issues on Nico's car causing a bad start and strategy pit stop problems as bad luck then?

Spanish GP - Lewis (Rosberg was gaining on Lewis but ran out of 1 lap)
Austria - Rosberg (Nico managed the gap to lewis without stressing the car for the following raceS)

Good race yesterday.

No one storms through a field like Lewis Hamilton, impressive stuff.

The slightly odd decision not to deploy a safety car after Sutil left his Sauber stranded in the middle of the pit straight denied us all a much closer battle for the podium places though.

Danny Ricciardo continues to impress too. That was a very impressive recovery drive in a car with really poor straight line speed

That race was like a video game!

Car rolling over on the first corner, lots of minor contact during ballsy overtaking, exciting wheel to wheel racing and 3 cars going into a hairpin at the same time.

Excellent 🙂

No matter what you say about Hamiltons attitude you can't deny he drove his ass off yesterday and pretty much no one was going to be able to keep him behind them for long. Just a shame he didn't use a bit more restraint when passing button.

I bet when he stopped at the end, Lewis's wheels were literally hanging off the car.

Good drive by bottas, hamilton and magnussen and ricardo. It goes to show how much the mercs have in pocket as when they run at full tilt on fresh tyres they can make it up from the back.
Its the same with bottas at silverstone from 16th to 2nd although with less tagging of other cars along the way.

The interesting battles ( alonso v everyone else) seem pretty clean and not as gung ho as hamiltons charge.
If hamilton is light on fuel in the race would it be a disadvantage carrying excess fuel at the end?

It becomes noticeable after the last round of pitstops where the cars run to the wear and fuel limitations which is a bit of a shame. I'm rooting for williams and its good to see brains over brawn 😉

I dont know how or why sutil gets a drive? Please get wolff in his seat.

back2basics - Member

fixed for you

Bahrain - Lewis (Rosberg let Lewis win after Lewis made outrageous and dangerous overtaking and defending moves against his team mate with the potential of taking them both out of the GP)

China - Lewis - you dont count losing telemetry and radio/data issues on Nico's car causing a bad start and strategy pit stop problems as bad luck then?

Spanish GP - Lewis (Rosberg was gaining on Lewis but ran out of 1 lap)
Austria - Rosberg (Nico managed the gap to lewis without stressing the car for the following raceS)

Disagree on Bahrain. Hamilton made the key move by overtaking Rosberg at the start and the battle between them was tough but fair.

In China, I had forgotten about the tele causing a bad start for N, but didn't he spin in Q3 and start further back anyway?

Your comment on Rosberg not stressing the car in Austria is also puzzling since his gearbox went pop the following race.

The slightly odd decision not to deploy a safety car after Sutil left his Sauber stranded in the middle of the pit straight denied us all a much closer battle for the podium places though.

Yeah that was an odd decision! 😯

retro83,
Don't bother. Some people here just don't like LH, regardless of the evidence.

The interesting battles ( alonso v everyone else) seem pretty clean and not as gung ho as hamiltons charge.

I don't see Alonso making lots of overtakes in races of late (last year at least). Yes hes had a memorable couple and you could argue his car isn't the best but I wonder how many overtakes he was involved in? No I don't mean him battling to stop being overtaken.

I've always said this- Lewis has the most talent in raw speed terms. He just doesn't have the head that some others have.

Seemed to have a calm head yesterday. Drove to a target, and adjusted for compromised car, and drove to new target. No getting irate behind cars for 6-8 laps at a time.

drove into button

[quote=back2basics ]One of Lewis's dnf was because he didn't drop back and cool his brakes after the team told him to, nico had exact same problem and he finished

[quote=Toto Wolff]Both of them complied exactly to what they had been told to do. It was very marginal though.

When Lewis entered into the pits, with a stationary car, the temperatures rose and when he went out the pedal just went soft and fell down completely. On Nico's car he was lucky not to have that.

Haterz gonna hate

@aracer
Lewis said so himself that his brakes were higher temperatures because he was following Nico.

So

decision,

not follow so close and finish
follow so close try and beat him - DNF

loverz gonna love

But it is a race not a follow the leader thing.

and to win the championship it is over 19 races

Lewis will still win it at the end.

Lewis will still win it at the end.

I'm a fan but I (sadly) think he'll be the hilight/standout driver of this season but not the winner.

I also think Merc would prefer a Blonde white bloke to lift their title.

[quote=back2basics ]Lewis said so himself that his brakes were higher temperatures because he was following Nico.

Though you claimed he didn't follow instructions, which is contradicted by Tito's statement, and I'm fairly sure his comment about higher temperatures due to following is with the benefit of hindsight. From the information he had he did nothing wrong.

As you were haterz

When Lewis won his title I sprayed mrshora's champagne all up the living room wall, the dog and her.

In Canada when both Mercs had simultaneous MGU-K failures Hamilton would not have been following in the hot/turbulent air of the sister Merc if Nico had been penalised for busting through the chicane and then flooring it...

So all those people saying Nico managed the problem better I do understand the argument but he should have been penalised putting Hamilton into cool air and who knows maybe Nico would have DNF's and Hamilton finished. All in my humble opinion of course!

I thought Lewis had a superb race on Sunday. Yes, he has the fastest car (along with Nico) but he still had to deliver the drive. It is always a bit of a gamble when you are at the back of the grid and he could so easily have been caught up in the Massa incident. Bottas drove a great race and overall it was a great grand prix to watch. I thought there was no malice in the Button / Hamilton overtake as it looked very much as though Button was leaving the door open plus Hamilton came from a long way back. He did apologise to him in the race later on when passing him again.

Most top sports people have a flaw or two. Some are more obvious than others. Hamilton generally comes across as a bit fragile and at those times ends up looking like a bit of a tit. However, he is without doubt one of the best drivers on the circuit. He is consistently quick and yet he is also one of the lightest on fuel consumption. Nico has a touch of the sour grapes at times but is doing a bit better at the being magnanimous these past few weeks. Most refreshing at the moment is Ricciardo. Genuinely likeable guy who is driving fantastically well this season. Dealing very well with adversity (losing his "win" in Australia). Lot of respect for him whereas his team mate is losing credibility and respect with every race. Not so easy when you no longer have the fastest car on the grid and no one can touch you is it Seb? 🙂

A telling statistic from BBC website...

Pastor Maldonado, who signed a deal to stay at Lotus next season, has only scored one point in the last 30 Grands Prix, a 10th place in last year's Hungarian GP. He won the 2010 GP2 feature race at the Hungaroring on his way to the title.

...hmmm - I wonder why he still has an F1 seat?

yet another issue with Hamiltons car !

WTF

well Nico has had a lot of luck or Hamilton a lot of bad luck with the same car.....one for the conspiracists I would say

I would assume most observers would consider Hamilton to be marginally faster but there is not much in it

Really bad luck for Hamilton. His only hope tomorrow is some well timed safety car laps. If not, assuming Rosberg wins, his championship chances will be all but over.

unless they swap cars for the next few races 😉

There's a weak link in Lewis garage can you guess what it is yet ??

Rolf Harris?

His car has a soul and can no longer cope with his whining?

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Now even I think that's a run of bag luck for lewis, see im not an or and pour hater! Would be better for f1 to seea battle up front, might still get one of weather can play a part...
everyone at bbc thinking people would be close to mercs and BAM almost half a second quicker
bottas v vettel v riccardo should I hope give us some action on track too.

Looking forward to seeing him come through the field tomorrow

He's going to be in a car that has hardly turned a wheel
They'll get a couple of installation laps when the pit lane opens but reliability is going to be a constant concern today.

If it all holds together, I reckon he can get top 5 with some imaginative pit stop strategy