kaesae - MemberNo I said that 2.3 trillion went missing from the pentagon, as announced by Rumsfeld the day before 9/11.
He said no such thing- the money didn't "go missing", but it wasn't properly accounted for. Not at all the same thing
But also, it wasn't an "announcement"- the crapness of pentagon accounting was already publically reported, and the reference to the 2.3 trillion was first reported on and documented in 2000.
So rather than being "announced" the day before and hidden by 9/11, it was already old news.
But hey, you can always move onto some other ill-funded FACT quickly and pretend this one wasn't cobblers.
Hahahaha! it wasn't properly accounted for, hahahaha! they have it or they don't ****ing have it, there is no in between!
As for already being reported, they were in the middle of investigating where it went and they got blown up along with all the evidence! do you think that might have hindered the investigation?
But hey, you can always move onto some other ill-funded FACT quickly and pretend this one wasn't cobblers.
Ah, I see you've played Knifey-Spoony before 😆
Hahahaha! it wasn't properly accounted for, hahahaha! they have it or they don't **** have it, there is no in between!
I'm guessing you don't work as an accountant!
Let's say I pay for something, but I don't get or I lose the invoice.
Has my money "vanished"?
Let's say I claim expenses from my company, but I don't have full receipts for all my claims. They pay up anyway as I'm a trustworthy sort. Does their money "vanish"?
Let's say I try to sell some dubious bike frames on eBay, at vastly inflated prices, by claiming lots of expensive work has been done on them. If I don't have a receipt for that work does that mean it didn't happen....?
If the CIA wanted to steal / destroy data, I'm reasonably certain that their thought process wouldn't be "well, first we need a large passenger aircraft..."
I've so many responses to the points on this thread, but.
Kaesae, you're either a weapons grade troll, or a stone bonker. Either way, there's little point in discussing anything with you; I might as well try and explain particle physics to my carpet for the difference it'll make or the attention you'll pay.
For that reason, I'm oot.
Do you think they're talking about a pile of banknotes here or something?
"They have it or they don't have it" makes absolutely no sense when you're talking about tracking financial transactions- the $2.3 trillion isn't a pile of cash, it's a number of transactions- not something that you "have" or for that matter "don't have".
Also, it's not a $2.3tn loss- it's $2.3tn total transactions, that includes internal transfers and incomes as well as expenditures.
Let's give you a nice simple example.
Someone gives you £10. You drop it. You have lost £10.
You give someone £10, but don't get a receipt. You haven't lost £10, but you can't adequately account for that £10.
Cougar - MemberIf the CIA wanted to steal / destroy data, I'm reasonably certain that their thought process wouldn't be "well, first we need a large passenger aircraft..."
I've so many responses to the points on this thread, but.
Kaesae, you're either a weapons grade troll, or a [b]stone bonker[/b]. Either way, there's little point in discussing anything with you; I might as well try and explain particle physics to my carpet for the difference it'll make or the attention you'll pay.
I'm a stone bonker, end the conspiracy I confess!
Here is the DoD talking about it in an American Forces Press Service release from 2002 (i.e. AFTER 9/11):
In fiscal 1999, a defense audit found that [b]about $2.3 trillion of balances, transactions and adjustments were inadequately documented. These "unsupported" transactions do not mean the department ultimately cannot account for them[/b], she advised, but that tracking down needed documents would take a long time. Auditors, she said, might have to go to different computer systems, to different locations or access different databases to get information.Reform is more than just changing an audit system, but also the way the bureaucracy works. If the department were a business, Jonas said, it would dwarf the world's largest private firms. DoD employs more than 3 million people; it has more than 600 facilities around the world and an annual budget of $370 billion; and it maintains more than $1 trillion in assets, she remarked.
Reforming such a financial giant will take a long time, but it must happen and is one of his highest priorities, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld has said. Officials have estimated this reform effort will take years and billions of dollars. Rumsfeld requested and received $100 million from Congress in fiscal 2002 to begin the process. He has requested another $100 million in fiscal 2003.
Where exactly is the bit that says [i]"Sorry - everyone investigating it is dead and all the evidence destroyed in 9/11"[/i] ??
If 9/11 is an excuse, then where are the people giving that excuse?
Very good northwind, so you propose that the Pentagon either dropped £2.3 trillion or simply forgot to get a receipt? oops!
Do you want a receipt for that $2.3 Trillion? no it's not my style! hahahaha!
good one northwind glad you explained that for me 😯
$2.3 trillion goes missing and the paper work / records and the people who are investigating it get blown up?
And how is it that the hindered/stopped investigation had so far [url= http://web.archive.org/web/20031224193817/http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Feb2002/n02202002_200202201.html ]managed to account for $1.6 billion by Feb 2002[/url]?
Very good GrahamS, did they find out what happened to the money? because that is just BS unless they did!
$2.3 trillion goes missing
But it hasn't gone missing!!!!
the mind boggles, words fail meVery good northwind, so you propose that the Pentagon either dropped £2.3 trillion or simply forgot to get a receipt?
As cougar said either weapons grade trolling or just wilfully misunderstanding/ignoringthe explanations given
Nothing "happened to the money"- it didn't "go missing" as one lump sum - it didn't get accounted for as one thing either.
As the Dod article points out, [i]"the DoD employs more than 3 million people; it has more than 600 facilities around the world and an annual budget of $370 billion; and it maintains more than $1 trillion in assets"[/i]
Funnily enough that makes their accounts slightly more complicated than your Super Squirrel passbook.
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The second article points out the "DoD has 674 different computerized accounting, logistics and personnel systems."[/i] - most of which can't talk to each other!
Let me put it this way: my missus works for the NHS (a large organisation, but still considerably smaller than the US DoD). She changes post very regularly, typically every year. Almost every time she changes post they screw up her pay in some way.
In the past we've had unexpected tax bills for thousands of pounds. We're currently waiting for over seven grand back-pay which they screwed up.
That's just one employee. None of that money is "missing" or in the hands of shadowy organisations. We're not worried about anyone flying a jet into our house to cover it up. It's just normal bureaucracy and incompetence in big businesses.
OK, let's keep this simple, has the $2.3 trillion been accounted for?
Because in the age of computers and record keeping, I can think of no plausible reason why it would not be on record.
OK, let's keep this simple, has the $2.3 trillion been accounted for?
Let's keep it even simpler: is ANYONE official saying that the 9/11 attacks in any way hindered the accounting? Or attempting to write off the money as lost based on the attacks?
Or to repeat (one of my many) unanswered questions to you: [b]If 9/11 is an excuse, then where are the people giving that excuse? [/b]
Never heard of technical problems kaesae nearly every **** up by government or big business is blamed on tech issues even if its down to incompetent managers. Computers aren't infallible computers allow you to make very fast very accurate mistakes
Would it be remiss of me to suggest that your energies be directed toward the pursuit of gainful employment rather than this persistant and increasingly strident campaign based on the electronic ramblings of second hand bacofoil headwear proponents?
Yey, the madness continues.
Few questions for recap please;
Have we had any actual evidence?
Has Kaseae answered any questions?
Are we still just receiving unsubstantiated drivel?
Has anybody owned up to joining the "circle" or "research club"
If the $2.3 trillion has been accounted for, can we see some evidence of this fact?
Not a statement given from the people who are responsible for it being misplaced but actual evidence or paper work?
! it wasn't properly accounted for, hahahaha! they have it or they don't **** have it, there is no in between!
Your lack of understanding of how the worlds actually works is unbelievable.
To be honest, I'm actually embarrassed for you after reading that 😐
I understand that if you do not have possesion of something and it does not belong to you, it has been stolen!
You appear to be able to justify everything! based on stories about your own lives and well no evidence what so ever, are you saying that the evidence on the 9/11truth.org website is all invalid, if so why is that.
Where exactly is your evidence, you all agree that what the Corporate Media has reported is true, however can you simply list the evidence backing this up?
Have you tried a nice milky drink?
Might calm you down a bit.
I understand that if you do not have something and it does not belong to you, it has been stolen!
This sentence is an excellent example of why you struggle to convince anyone of anything.
You really need to word things more clearly.
Computers are programmed by programmers, who are fallible. The possible execution paths and outcomes in computer software of any substance, exceeds the comprehension of even the programmers who made it.
This is *the* problem with computer programming.
Because in the age of computers and record keeping, I can think of no plausible reason why it would not be on record.
Have you ever had a job, or worked in an office for a large-ish company?
You're very quick to seize on things that are far more easily explained by things that are boring everyday occurrences at the best of times, and guaranteed to give rise to confusion, errors and misunderstanding in the event of something like 9/11 or 7/7.
I understand that if you do not have something and it does not belong to you, it has been stolen!
For example. I do not have a Ferrari, this does not mean it has been stolen.
, are you saying that the evidence on the 9/11truth.org website is all invalid,
Yes. Basically that's what I'm saying (and so far, doing a fairly good job of proving it too, not that you ever listen FFS)
if so why is that.
Because its a load of made up bollocks.
There are bits of information that are real, but the claims are all bollocks.
Test me and I'll prove it ?
(But you need to listen, and concentrate properly, which I don't believe you are capable of.
Neal, did he ever answer your question?
This is a Turing test isn't it?
More work needed.
Get your laughing gear round this!
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Awwww yeah! The TROOF MAN! THE TROOF IS OUYT THERE! iF only YOU will believe! ???? Who will joyn me in my researj?
Neal, did he ever answer your question?
Nope.
Must have been too difficult ?
Kassae-- your obsession with these things is certainly becoming a touch concerning, i do not expect you to agree, but can you answer a couple of simple questions?
1- do you find yourself constantly thinking about conspiracies, even while doing daily chores ?
2- Are you getting regular sleep ?
3- Do you have any close friends ?
you can choose to ignore these if you wish, but i am concerned for you. had a friend in the past who became quite 'ill' , he was bi polar as it turned out, but during the mania phase he exhibited some striking parallels.
So, to recap!
WTC 7 collapsed into it's own footprint at freefall speed with no resistance what so ever. Because of a few isolated fires that couldn't destroy a wet fart!
The fact that all of the samples of dust and debris from the miracle collapse that have been analyzed, have traces of nano particle thermite can be explained by not explaining the fact.
Even though the firemen and police who attended WTC 7 came out saying that there were bombs in the building and that everyone needed to move back, doesn't really matter!
Even if the buildings were bought 6 months before the incident even though the buildings had been condemned and no sensible person would knowingly buy them, doesn't really mean anything. Also the fact that the building were insured for terrorist attacks, was simply common sense.
If individuals who were at the scene reported that a massive explosion at the base of the building was then followed by a shock wave rippling through the building before it collapsed, doesn't necessarily mean anything.
These and countless other facts that cannot be explained and leave many, many questions, that are acceptable.
All of which can be easily confirmed, if you give a shit.
However confirmation is not part of your mental conditioning, the same can be said about the truth.
I''ve gone from finding kaesae baffling and amusing to worrying about his mental health recently.
I think that you are all insane so that's fair enough! explain to me how a way of life without any point or direction makes sense? also waswas you are conditioned since birth to think the way you do!
WTC 7 collapsed into it's own footprint at freefall speed with no resistance what so ever. Because of a few isolated fires that couldn't destroy a wet fart!
No, lots of fires and millions of tonnes collapsing alongside it.
The fact that all of the samples of dust and debris from the miracle collapse that have been analyzed, have traces of nano particle thermite can be explained by not explaining the fact.
Huh?
Even if the firemen and police who attended WTC 7 came out saying that there were bombs in the building and that everyone needed to move back, doesn't really matter!
During the early chaos they was reports there may be bombs so they cleared several buildings.
Even if the buildings where bought 6 months before the incident even though the buildings had been condemned and no sensible person would knowingly buy them, does really mean anything.
Huh?
If individuals who were at the scene reported that a massive explosion at the base of the building was then followed by a shock wave rippling through the building before it collapsed, doesn't necessarily mean anything.
A building collapsing will cause a sound like an explosion and would cause a shockwave like effect.
You think many things kaesae, few you share are based in reality
I think that you are all insane so that's fair enough! a way of life that is without any point or direction and you are happy to allow your military to slaughter innocent men women and children?I do not think that I am the one with the problem, your culture is morally, spiritually, intellectually and financially bankrupt, so you'll forgive me if I don't give a shit what anyone that agree's with it thinks!
Sooooooo, apart from STW what are you doing about it?
If you don't care what we think why post on here?
The fact you perceive that everyone's against you/blinded to the truth is worrying.
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Kaseasea, The problem you have is that you believe the stuff that the likes of Alex Jones tells you.
Alex Jones makes a lot of money by getting people like you to swallow the bullshit he peddles.
And the beauty of it is, you are all so desperate to believe it, that you just can't see the gaping holes in the logic, and the complete lies he tells you.
Also he builds in this idea that everyone else on the planet is brainwashed, so that when people inevitably tell you it's all rubbish, and prove it to you, you won't listen. Because Alex warned you this would happen "don't listen to the sheeple!"
It's a bit sad really, and I do genuinely feel sorry for you.
You are being manipulated by what is basically a Large Corporation, and they really seem to have got their claws into you.
Step away from it !
kaesae - MemberWTC 7 collapsed into it's own footprint at freefall speed with no resistance what so ever.
It didn't. Watch the videos, you can see the freefalling debris moving faster. If memory serves there's a pretty good debunk video of this.
Though this is another conspiracy theorist psychology thing- a controlled demolition wouldn't cause the building to fall at freefall speed either.
beej - Member
This is a Turing test isn't it?
More work needed.
Genuine lol from me there.
Is this report real or not ?
rudebwoy and wwaswas
noted and leaving the scene
Probably best piemoster.
Engaging's pointless if it's a troll and pointless if it's not, tbh.
Well I have stopped at the end of page one.
This is from a riding friend who works in civil enginiiiering (or whatever you spell it no british dicitonnary) control.
The strenght of steel weaken a lot under heat, the temperature can be high enough to weaken the strucutre, without actually metling the stuff.
Second he said that the amount of burning matter in offices is tremendous so it's likely to start a very big fire without much to begin with.
But then you probably know more than he do about civil building constructions.
Is this report real or not ?
Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable
As you like YouTube "evidence" so much.
Why not have a look at this and let me know what you think ?
samples of dust and debris from the miracle collapse that have been analyzed, have traces of nano particle thermite
Huh?
Thermite is aluminium and rust, nothing more. Clearly there can be no reason other than terrorism for finding these two exotic substances in a collapsed building.
I understand that if you do not have possesion of something and it does not belong to you, it has been stolen!
Are you from Elgin perchance?
Today the Muslim world is plagued by this conspiracy theory-mindset. Although conspiracy theories are prevalent everywhere but the extent to which these dominate the Muslim world is mind boggling and as the above example shows, can lead to catastrophic results. Even today, a huge percentage of Muslims do not believe that 9/11 attack was conducted by Arab Muslims. In fact a very recent PEW research centre poll found out that even a decade after 9/11, there is no Islamic country where even 30% of the Muslims believe that Arab Muslims executed 9/11 attacks. And it even includes apparently very secular countries like Turkey where a whopping 73% of Muslims believe that 9/11 was not conducted by Arab hijackers. In most of the world conspiracy theories belong to the fringe whereas in ****stan and the rest of the Islamic world these have enveloped the mainstream discourse.Conspiracy theories are inherently geared towards shifting the blame to outside forces and stop ourselves from self-introspection and by doing so they invariably benefit only the extremists and their backers as [b]we start looking towards imagined foreign enemies instead of looking amongst ourselves[/b] for the root of the problem.
I'll ride with you because I'm a nice guy. Don't care what religion or what you believe in. That's up to you. I'm tolerant. But I do feel sorry for you as your life seems to be consumed.
Relax, chill and see life differently. Question don't accept what you're told or told to believe in. You have a right to your opinions but it is embrassing.
Over and out!
Are you from Elgin perchance?
You seem to be losing your marbles too 🙂
I just remembered this Kaesae thread...
[url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/whats-the-law-concerning-lazers-on-delivery-company-scanning-equipment ]http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/whats-the-law-concerning-lazers-on-delivery-company-scanning-equipment[/url]
maybe the laser fried his brain.
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Can you tell us what these nano particles of thermite were by any chance as my house, if it were to collapse would have nano particles of thermite in the debris. Not because of thermite but actually because thermite is
Fe2O3 + 2 Al ? 2 Fe + Al2O3 which is rust and aluminmium producing iron and aluminium oxide. Other metals used may include magnesium, copper or chrome. All pretty f&^%ing common.
Therefore if you have found rust, aluminium, iron or aluminium oxide you have evidence of thermite. Um Pretty common shyte really. OK there are other types but thats from a 30 second search on um the internet.
So that just blown your thermite theory.
Where exactly is your evidence, [s]you all agree[/s] that what the [s]Corporate Media[/s] 9/11 truth.org has reported is true, however can you simply list the evidence backing this up?
Kaesae - Humour me with this please.
I know you purport to be conducting research in this and another thread, but when you write this...
I don't doubt that it will take a long time for most people to wake up to the truth, however if you get bored while this process occurs, why not borrow money from the banks that you can then pay interest on, to bail the banks out of the shit they got you into!
...I can't help but think you have an alternative agenda, something along very similar lines to Ol' Teach from a few days ago with the nudge stuff.
By way of a story of my mis-spent youth : After necking acid for the pox knows how many times and after a very surreal early-hours stroll in the moonlit woodland, the trip culminated in a somewhat unexpected melancholic down-turn which led to me asking my psychonautic counterpart why the world was so shit. He replied that it had always been this way and it was simply an awareness shift that enabled me to see it.
Things have always been like this and power will always change hands across the globe. One thing you can guarantee is that things rarely stay static and that you won't be alone in your awareness of atrocities and underhand actions from just about any person in any walk of life.
'Has anybody owned up to joining the "circle" or "research club"'
shhh, that's the first rule of research club, nobody is a member .
Taking part in the thread is joining the club! it's called participation 😉
Ooh, this is fun.
WTC 7 collapsed into it's own footprint at freefall speed with no resistance what so ever. Because of a few isolated fires that couldn't destroy a wet fart!
It's a building, made of lumps of concrete. It's standing on the Earth's surface. If you drop a lump of concrete at the Earth's surface, it falls at a rate of 9.81m/s^2 - that's basic physics. There's not much that can slow down large lumps of falling concrete.
(I have a degree in Physic and Astronomy - please ask if you want me to go into detail)
Now, metal - metal bends when you heat it. That's how lots of thermometers work. When you heat it a lot - like in a confined fire which isn't being doused with water, it not only bends it softens.
(I have bits of metal, and an oxyacetylene torch in the workshop - a demonstration of this would be simple)
The fact that all of the samples of dust and debris from the miracle collapse that have been analyzed, have traces of nano particle thermite can be explained by not explaining the fact.
What is nano particle thermite? Thermite is usually made from powdered aluminium and iron oxide (rust) - that's how I've usually made it. So traces of thermite could jsut as well be described as rust and bits of aluminium - nothing unusual in a building, especially a building that's just collapsed.
Thermite isn't the kind of thing you'd use to demolish a building. It's fun to play with, and can burn holes in stuff, but it's not an explosive.
But hey, you're not really interested in facts, are you?
Taking part in the thread is joining the club
will there be a badge..?
I'd like a badge..
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Taking part in the thread is joining the club! it's called participation
Does never answering direct questions count as participation too ?
Because it shouldn't.
Here's some more material for my clubbers!
Obviously if you find out that any of it is false let me know.
Terrorists still alive?
Bombs in buildings
Air safe to breath with tons of asbestos in it?
Yes I know none of that means anything, unless the corporate media reports it 😯
I am not interested in conforming with the widely held beliefs of the masses, is all of the money going missing in the world due to incompetence? maybe but that doesn't explain why so many people, groups or corporations are ending up filthy rich!
It's possible that richness is inversely related to the amount of time spent watching crap on YouTube.
In your pants.
I am not interested in conforming with the widely held beliefs of the masses
Even if they are true ?
Your an idiot 🙄
I'm out.
just wanted to add.
Your "True Hero" in the video up there, Willian Rodriguez.
Funny how when he was interviewed by the 9/11 Commission, his storey was somewhat different to what he says in the video.
He seems to have invented a LOT of things since then
No mention of Bombs going off before the planes hit (which is a rather big thing for him to forget wouldn't you say ?)
Here is the 9/11 commission interview.
[url= http://911myths.com/images/a/af/NYC_Box4_William_Rodriguez.pdf ]9/11 Commission- William Rodriguez. [/url]
Kaesae, you're crackers dude! Have you got a subterranean shelter full of food?
You[b]'[/b]r[b]e[/b] an idiot
tee hee 😀
I'm bad at spelling.
He's an idiot.
Very, very different levels of a similar scale.
Eye witness reports are poor at best. The human mind is powerful thing. It's well known and has been proven in testing.
I've been tested and I was rubbish!
How is it different he says that he at first thought the primary explosion was caused by one of the generators, tell me something, do they normally put generators at the top of buildings 😯 or at the bottom?
Countless people reporting explosion at the bottom of the towers, also lots of evidence that those explosions injured people? nealglover is there any mention in the report of WTC building 7 and is the info in the book the exact same as the info that the 9/11 commission has in it's files?
Genuine questions?
Very good pjm84, what about the actual videos of explosions, are they just optical illusions, hahahahaha!
The 911 conspiracy is p1$$ easy to explain.
You have this organisation (al Qaeda) which was founded in 1988 in Afganistan. In 1996 they/it declared war on america and the west; then they waged the war with numerous attacks all over the world (including previously trying to destroy the WTC in 1993). It has a well trained, well funded, well equipped and fully functioning multinational military which helped take over an entire country. It has also tried to take over others with various military adventures, some more successful than others. Its overall aim is to control the territory from Andalucia through north Africa and South Asia to the Philipines, ruled by an Islamic Caphiliate, and cause the downfall and destruction of western governments, economies and societies. It is highly sophisticated with a media/public relations, political, financial and military objective. Although presently some what on the back foot.
Smoking gun?
Those loud bangs were probably the impact of those who jumped hitting the canopy above the reception area (not a nice thought).
Kaesae, sometimes planets align and things you never thought possible occur, as happened on 9/11; move on and put your obvious analytical powers into something worthwhile.
Here's some more material for my clubbers!
Umm who said its your club? Sorry I don't expect an answer as you seem to have an inability to actually answer anything. Answering questions could be seen as a kind of leadership of "your club".
However what you have failed to realise throughout all of you stupid "research" projects is that almost everyone thinks you are a complete "male chicken".
You seem incapable of accepting or indeed investigating any biew point that challenges your perceived view point despite asking others to have an open mind.
Participation here is largely pointing out what a complete lunatic you are. As fo a constructive suggestion I believe you should seek help, get out more, make some real friends that are not part of the digital universe and maybe just maybe try and get laid.
allmountainventure Al qaeda was formed by the US government
Although initially they had weapons and funding from the US, they were not as effective as we have been lead to believe.
It wasn't that well funded up until recently when the US and NATO used them to make up the core of the fighters that overthrew the Libyan Jamarihiya.
They are very well funded now after looting several Libyan banks and have some impressive weapons including surface to air missiles, however back in 2001 although they bombed a couple of embassies and similar places, they didn't have the kind of resources that would have been required to infiltrate the WTC and plant explosives, they also do did not have access to nano particle thermite explosives.
After Libya they used the weapons to move into northern mail and other places and are also heavily active in Syria ate the moment, be of no doubt they are a proxy army of the US controlled by the CIA!
In
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be of no doubt they are a proxy army of the US controlled by the CIA!
First Kurt Cobain and now this. I am outraged
they didn't have the kind of resources that would have been required to infiltrate the WTC and plant explosives
Fail.
1993 truck bomb INSIDE the WTC?
Besides on 911 they didnt have to. They flew planes into the buildings instead.
they didn't have the kind of resources that would have been required to infiltrate the WTC and plant explosives,
That's good.
Because there wasn't any explosives planted.
They were hit by Aeroplanes 🙄
and you have provided zero credible evidence that says otherwise.
they also do did not have access to nano particle thermite explosives.
You have had that explained to you, but you chose to ignore it (what a shocker !)
Do you ever read anything on here, or just post total bollocks ?