[Closed] STW research club, I propose for the second subject building 7 9/11 event

Who is kaesae BTW

I've always found it odd that he'd come on here at all. There has been a degree of customer alienation (in the posts by other forumites at least)

The Ebay business looks like a perfectly viable means of making a living, no doubt the industry connections could allow expansion into general industrial bearings as well. Not sure truthing on STW is helping either 'truth up' the UK or the business.

As for the thread being rubbish, DezB. I implore you to reach into your inner child and see the light. Or not, no biggie really is it.

kaesae - why do you bother with this shite? Its an MTB forum ffs. If you are THAT bored why not use the internet to its best capacity and research some porn?

36% of Americans [b]who responded to a survey of around 1000 individuals out of a population in excess of 311,000,000[/b] now believe that it was an inside job

BigButSlimmerBloke - Member

Who is kaesae BTW

As well as cheap bearings, I believe he also has a sideline in tinfoil hats and all these threads he starts are just a clever [b]marketing play[/b].

Now we're getting at the truth.

Our situation is deteriorating rapidly, everything from rubbish strewn streets

if you don't drop litter and pick up the rest then the problem goes away and you live somewhere nicer

The UK needs to wake up to the truth, where exactly do you see the UK being in the next 10 years?

Our situation is deteriorating rapidly, everything from rubbish strewn streets to mass civil unrest.

I reckon we may see a small turn out of the economic mess, not out of it but heading that way.

It's funny as a kid I remember places being messier and certainly as a 70s kid I remember hell of lot more civil unrest and terrorist. attacks.

kaesae - Member

woody, there will be plenty of time later to research other things, hopefully I will be involved in that, once [b]we[/b] learn how to work together and focus on accomplishing the goals, that the [b]group[/b] sets out.

After 19hrs and 5 pages is anyone stepping inside the circle?

I reckon we may see a small turn out of the economic mess, not out of it but heading that way.

It's funny as a kid I remember places being messier and certainly as a 70s kid I remember hell of lot more civil unrest and terrorist. attacks.

Pfftttpphh, trust you to come on and say something sensible.

Purely as a piece of anecdotal evidence. Before I moved to my current location (not the sofa, where I live, again not the sofa) I was advised by numerous people that it was a dive/rough/full of mad heads.

What I actually found was a town of decent, welcoming folk, the streets are clean, the parks are maintained. The city is undergoing large scale development. Not actually seen or heard of any crime in the area (although no doubt it occurs) In summary, quite a nice place to live. Truly excellent Whisky bar 5min walk away (15min back). Bike shop about the same distance. Good Butchers/Greengrocers/Bakery. 10 minutes from some decent hills, and 45 minutes from some truly excellent hills. We have no debts what so ever, inc mortgage.

I'm not saying that the UK isn't about to descend into some Mad Max style anarchy. It's just that my bit of it, and the bits my friends and family occupy seems to be OK right now.

And this is not to say that there aren't some who are really struggling, and certainly not to devalue there struggling. Purely just my little bit.

Because of the information that was held at the WTC complex and the investigations that were on going there.

We look at the situation and see the tragic loss of life, but we fail to see that the amount of information that was destroyed in those building was massive!

i know, but why were they so cack-handed as to bring it down in such a way that it was obvious to even the most naive viewer?

Because of the information that was held at the WTC complex and the investigations that were on going there.

You'd think if they had such vital "information" there then they'd have some off-site backups. (i.e. a normal disaster recover plan that any large business should have).

but that would imply that they knew a plane would be crashing into a nearby building, so they deliberately did't have a back up, to try to mislead us.
However, computer scientists are currently trying to recover data from floppy disk found in the rubble. Unfortunately the the slidey back metal bit is a bit bent which makes it hard to get the data off.

Kasea, You've not answered my earlier question yet.

It's in bold on the previous page in case you missed it.

While we are asking questions that you will no doubt refuse to answer.......

[quote=kesae]Because of the information that was held at the WTC complex and the investigations that were on going there.

Go on then. (Exactly) what was this mysterious data, and (Exactly) what were these "investigations" ?

Details please.

So to hide the data they blew up 3 buildings killings thousands and causing multi-billions $ of damage instead of just destroying the data.

You know he's on to something.

I bought one of Kaesae's tools off Ebay and [b]its really good![/b]

Linky for kaesae's tools, got a BB bearing puller?

Between this and the lance threads it's a little surprising what beliefs some people cling remarkably hard to

kaesae's gone quiet.. shut down by Mi6..?

So to hide the data they blew up 3 buildings killings thousands and causing multi-billions $ of damage instead of just destroying the data.

I'm sure last week [url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/conspiracy-theorysdoes-anyone-believe-them/page/4#post-4234527 ]in the other thread[/url] kaesae said it was all to steal [i]"180 and 300 billion dollars in gold .. from the basement vaults"[/i].

Has our "research" eliminated that one now?

D0NK - Member

I bought one of Kaesae's tools off Ebay and its really good!

citation needed.

Linky for kaesae's tools, got a BB bearing puller?

Between this and the lance threads it's a little surprising what beliefs some people cling remarkably hard to

Lance 'pulled' the buildings to cover up his doping? 😯

Think it's Katec on ebay ?!

it was all to steal "180 and 300 billion dollars in gold .. from the basement vaults".

Has our "research" eliminated that one now?

😀 Not knocking, just wondering if the "research" had actually led to a change of opinion (given that even the YouTube "evidence" suggests there was no where near that much gold)

No I said that 2.3 trillion went missing from the pentagon, as announced by Rumsfeld the day before 9/11.

Then a plane allegedly flew into the Pentagon and hit the area the investigators / accountants were working in, after having descended 7,000 feet in under 3 minutes and done a 360 degree turn. It could have simply flew straight into the pentagon, but the pilot who could not fly a sesna a month before wanted to show off!

Since the individuals who were decorating / restoring the WTC complex with thermite had full access, they also took the gold from the vaults beneath the WTC complex.

Then to wrap the shit up they blamed it on Al Qaeda / Bin Laden and invaded Afghanistan / Iraq.

Once the records from the Pentagon and the WTC were destroyed the Trillions of dollars they had stolen could not be traced.

Now I'm not saying that all of this is true, but it would be very interesting if it turned out to be

http://www.informationliberation.com/index.php?id=15459

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/asbestos.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/11/cancer-new-york-rescuers

I assume that post popped your bubble of optimism Graham 😛

you excel yourself that link says nothing about the claims you post and just says that the guy who bought the WTC had it insured and for terrorism.*

As usual it notes some links but has no actual proof or smoking gun and just gives us some weak circumstantial evidence
TBH i am not even sure what you are trying to prove with that link

* As the buildings next door had been attacked by terrorists it is not hard to see why he may have insured his $3 billion dollar expenditure for this.

This thread. I have no words. 😯

No I said that 2.3 trillion went missing from the pentagon, as announced by Rumsfeld the day before 9/11.

My mistake I thought when you said:

[i]"2.3 trillion dollars vanishes, the next day 9/11 happens and a shit load of computers and hard drives get taken out well thousands of computers and loads of paper records anyway, [b]between 180 and 300 billion dollars in gold goes missing from the basement vaults.[/b]"[/i]

That you were implying that 180 and 300 billion dollars of gold had also gone missing from the basement vaults. Not sure [i]where[/i] I got that from.

Once the records from the Pentagon and the WTC were destroyed the Trillions of dollars they had stolen could not be traced.

Do you actually have evidence that this is the case? For example a follow up news reports with Donald Rumsfeld or Senator Byrd saying [i]"Yeah, see that 2.3 trillion dollars of transactions that auditors found we had no proper accounts for*, well turns out all the receipts were in a box in the World Trade Centre. With no other records. Or backups. Sorry about that."[/i]?

Because that would really strengthen that case somewhat. Right now I see some boring talks about some poor accounting (or possibly even clever accounting concealing black op spending) but I don't see how that all conveniently goes away after 9/11.

(* note: this is slightly different from "vanished")

Then a plane allegedly flew into the Pentagon

One thing I always wonder about the "no plane theory": what happened to the actual plane and the 59 passengers and crew? What was the plane-like thing followed on radar and seen by eye witnesses? And how did "they" manage to convince the passengers to make last phone calls to their families etc saying they were in a hijacked plane?

kaesae - Member

No I said that 2.3 trillion went missing from the pentagon, as announced by Rumsfeld the day before 9/11.

He said no such thing- the money didn't "go missing", but it wasn't properly accounted for. Not at all the same thing

But also, it wasn't an "announcement"- the crapness of pentagon accounting was already publically reported, and the reference to the 2.3 trillion was first reported on and documented in 2000.

So rather than being "announced" the day before and hidden by 9/11, it was already old news.

But hey, you can always move onto some other ill-funded FACT quickly and pretend this one wasn't cobblers.

Hahahaha! it wasn't properly accounted for, hahahaha! they have it or they don't ****ing have it, there is no in between!

As for already being reported, they were in the middle of investigating where it went and they got blown up along with all the evidence! do you think that might have hindered the investigation?

But hey, you can always move onto some other ill-funded FACT quickly and pretend this one wasn't cobblers.

Ah, I see you've played Knifey-Spoony before 😆

Hahahaha! it wasn't properly accounted for, hahahaha! they have it or they don't **** have it, there is no in between!

I'm guessing you don't work as an accountant!

Let's say I pay for something, but I don't get or I lose the invoice.
Has my money "vanished"?

Let's say I claim expenses from my company, but I don't have full receipts for all my claims. They pay up anyway as I'm a trustworthy sort. Does their money "vanish"?

Let's say I try to sell some dubious bike frames on eBay, at vastly inflated prices, by claiming lots of expensive work has been done on them. If I don't have a receipt for that work does that mean it didn't happen....?

If the CIA wanted to steal / destroy data, I'm reasonably certain that their thought process wouldn't be "well, first we need a large passenger aircraft..."

I've so many responses to the points on this thread, but.

Kaesae, you're either a weapons grade troll, or a stone bonker. Either way, there's little point in discussing anything with you; I might as well try and explain particle physics to my carpet for the difference it'll make or the attention you'll pay.

For that reason, I'm oot.

Do you think they're talking about a pile of banknotes here or something?

"They have it or they don't have it" makes absolutely no sense when you're talking about tracking financial transactions- the $2.3 trillion isn't a pile of cash, it's a number of transactions- not something that you "have" or for that matter "don't have".

Also, it's not a $2.3tn loss- it's $2.3tn total transactions, that includes internal transfers and incomes as well as expenditures.

Let's give you a nice simple example.

Someone gives you £10. You drop it. You have lost £10.
You give someone £10, but don't get a receipt. You haven't lost £10, but you can't adequately account for that £10.

Cougar - Member

If the CIA wanted to steal / destroy data, I'm reasonably certain that their thought process wouldn't be "well, first we need a large passenger aircraft..."

I've so many responses to the points on this thread, but.

Kaesae, you're either a weapons grade troll, or a [b]stone bonker[/b]. Either way, there's little point in discussing anything with you; I might as well try and explain particle physics to my carpet for the difference it'll make or the attention you'll pay.

I'm a stone bonker, end the conspiracy I confess!

Here is the DoD talking about it in an American Forces Press Service release from 2002 (i.e. AFTER 9/11):

In fiscal 1999, a defense audit found that [b]about $2.3 trillion of balances, transactions and adjustments were inadequately documented. These "unsupported" transactions do not mean the department ultimately cannot account for them[/b], she advised, but that tracking down needed documents would take a long time. Auditors, she said, might have to go to different computer systems, to different locations or access different databases to get information.

Reform is more than just changing an audit system, but also the way the bureaucracy works. If the department were a business, Jonas said, it would dwarf the world's largest private firms. DoD employs more than 3 million people; it has more than 600 facilities around the world and an annual budget of $370 billion; and it maintains more than $1 trillion in assets, she remarked.

Reforming such a financial giant will take a long time, but it must happen and is one of his highest priorities, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld has said. Officials have estimated this reform effort will take years and billions of dollars. Rumsfeld requested and received $100 million from Congress in fiscal 2002 to begin the process. He has requested another $100 million in fiscal 2003.

-- http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=44199

Where exactly is the bit that says [i]"Sorry - everyone investigating it is dead and all the evidence destroyed in 9/11"[/i] ??

If 9/11 is an excuse, then where are the people giving that excuse?

Very good northwind, so you propose that the Pentagon either dropped £2.3 trillion or simply forgot to get a receipt? oops!

Do you want a receipt for that $2.3 Trillion? no it's not my style! hahahaha!

good one northwind glad you explained that for me 😯

$2.3 trillion goes missing and the paper work / records and the people who are investigating it get blown up?

And how is it that the hindered/stopped investigation had so far [url= http://web.archive.org/web/20031224193817/http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Feb2002/n02202002_200202201.html ]managed to account for $1.6 billion by Feb 2002[/url]?

Very good GrahamS, did they find out what happened to the money? because that is just BS unless they did!

$2.3 trillion goes missing

But it hasn't gone missing!!!!

Very good northwind, so you propose that the Pentagon either dropped £2.3 trillion or simply forgot to get a receipt?

As cougar said either weapons grade trolling or just wilfully misunderstanding/ignoringthe explanations given

Nothing "happened to the money"- it didn't "go missing" as one lump sum - it didn't get accounted for as one thing either.

As the Dod article points out, [i]"the DoD employs more than 3 million people; it has more than 600 facilities around the world and an annual budget of $370 billion; and it maintains more than $1 trillion in assets"[/i]

Funnily enough that makes their accounts slightly more complicated than your Super Squirrel passbook.
[i]
The second article points out the "DoD has 674 different computerized accounting, logistics and personnel systems."[/i] - most of which can't talk to each other!

Let me put it this way: my missus works for the NHS (a large organisation, but still considerably smaller than the US DoD). She changes post very regularly, typically every year. Almost every time she changes post they screw up her pay in some way.

In the past we've had unexpected tax bills for thousands of pounds. We're currently waiting for over seven grand back-pay which they screwed up.

That's just one employee. None of that money is "missing" or in the hands of shadowy organisations. We're not worried about anyone flying a jet into our house to cover it up. It's just normal bureaucracy and incompetence in big businesses.

OK, let's keep this simple, has the $2.3 trillion been accounted for?
Because in the age of computers and record keeping, I can think of no plausible reason why it would not be on record.

OK, let's keep this simple, has the $2.3 trillion been accounted for?

Let's keep it even simpler: is ANYONE official saying that the 9/11 attacks in any way hindered the accounting? Or attempting to write off the money as lost based on the attacks?

Or to repeat (one of my many) unanswered questions to you: [b]If 9/11 is an excuse, then where are the people giving that excuse? [/b]

Never heard of technical problems kaesae nearly every **** up by government or big business is blamed on tech issues even if its down to incompetent managers. Computers aren't infallible computers allow you to make very fast very accurate mistakes

Would it be remiss of me to suggest that your energies be directed toward the pursuit of gainful employment rather than this persistant and increasingly strident campaign based on the electronic ramblings of second hand bacofoil headwear proponents?

Yey, the madness continues.

Few questions for recap please;

Have we had any actual evidence?

Has Kaseae answered any questions?

Are we still just receiving unsubstantiated drivel?

Has anybody owned up to joining the "circle" or "research club"

If the $2.3 trillion has been accounted for, can we see some evidence of this fact?

Not a statement given from the people who are responsible for it being misplaced but actual evidence or paper work?

! it wasn't properly accounted for, hahahaha! they have it or they don't **** have it, there is no in between!

Your lack of understanding of how the worlds actually works is unbelievable.

To be honest, I'm actually embarrassed for you after reading that 😐