Starmer had a ‘proper’ job until the age of 52. That’s an entirely different situation.
Ah, I missed the bit where you said they had to be at it for 25+ years for your point to be valid
As regards left and right labels - I would see Starmer as being properly centrist - thats centrist as in centre of the party not "centerist" as in the right of the party who really should be in other parties.
He’s left wing. But also very capable. Not sure the public will prefer capable to fun and irreverent though (current PM). Please Britain, prove me wrong.
In attempting to win over the ‘centre ground’, he may well lose my & others support. We’ll see.
To those with this view, do you think Labour have any prospect of power otherwise?
And as for the calibre of non-career politicians, I'd say they were "better" than those in power for the last decade.
Ah, I missed the bit where you said they had to be at it for 25+ years for your point to be valid
I thought that was implicit and relatively obvious. Yes, for a clarity - a fulsome if not complete career. Be that a teacher, a merchant seaman, a scientist or in the military. That ability to bring a career’s worth of insight with enough time at it to be able take the long view. A paper round or a first job after graduation does not cut it.
Will dumbojo have to call him Sir?
Kelvin. Left wing on a national scale but centre of the labour party the so called centrists or moderates in the labour party are right on the right wing edge of the party
I also see him as a bit of a technocrat
He’s left wing. And capable. The technocrat angle comes in because he has what it takes to run things, unlike his processor.
I didn't say technocrat was a wrong thing to be.
I see him as a very good choice. My only doubt is how well he can connect with the public at large.
I agree.
I suspect he will come over very well in debate with Johnson.
Still needs a voice coach.
Honestly, Starmer is a ray of light in this godawful sh*tshow. 24 hours into the job and he's already said more sensible things about coronavirus than the government or opposition have managed in 6 weeks...
good interview with nick Robinson from 2 years ago (b4 he was leadership candidate) on radio 4 earlier
Suspect he'd be more guarded in an interview now
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p060m3mz
I gather Gardiner and Lavery have both gone from the shadow cabinet, sounds like Gardiner was sacked.
Yup - time to get rid of the idiots.
tjagain
SubscriberI see him as a very good choice. My only doubt is how well he can connect with the public at large.
Well if my Father-In-Law is anything to go by he has connected with a lifelong Conservative voter and DM reader!
I was talking to him at lunchtime, he had watched him with Andrew Marr this morning and thought he came over very well. Clear concise and no vague waffle, in his words the exact opposite of Boris Johnson.
I’ve known him for 38 years and I don’t think I have ever heard him say anything good about a Labour leader, perhaps that’s more an indication of how shite the Conservative lot are to him I don’t know?
I really hope Kier can make a go of this.
. sounds like Gardiner was sacked.
I'm sure thats a relief for everyone involved
He’s left wing
He's that left wing I couldn't read his article in The Times due to subscription.
Boris will get at least 2 terms, Labour party are finished I cant see them getting back there heartlands for years. If Boris and his ministers have any sense they should complete promises made to the North.
First shadow cabinet announcements
Serious shake up then. Good.
tjagain
SubscriberI see him as a very good choice. My only doubt is how well he can connect with the public at large.
I see him as the very best choice Labour had - because what a very poor choice they had!
As Sir Keir Starmer he will find it difficult connecting with traditional working class Labour voters. He looks every bit the typical Oxford graduate sleazy modern politician, and was a staunch Remainer too.
Mistake one - Nandy. she is just an idiot. Such an idiot she had to be slapped down by Murray who is a first rate idiot
Yes Rone, people who read The Times get a vote, and need to be won over to voting for Labour rather than the rabble they voted into power at previous elections.
Yes Mooman, even people in the North are capable of voting for someone who went to Oxford. You can look into Starmer’s background yourself, if you think he’s not connected to the working class.
I see him as the very best choice Labour had – because what a very poor choice they had!
That ties in with your inability to see anything but the very worst in any situation, based on the posts of yours I've seen.
Mooman - he is a long way from that sterotype. Johnson he is not. Look at his background
If you’re suggesting that Starmer comes from privileged, elite background then you’re an idiot who’s clearly incapable of using google. He’s actually pretty much the benchmark for achievement having come from a humble background
I think he’s perfect for this moment where the country is clearly realising that in a crisis, you’re going to demand more from a leader than some Latin quotes, tussled hair and flippant quips. You can’t wing this one!
Someone with a fair bit of gravitas and authority is going to quickly provide a huge contrast to the bumbling fool presently holed up in number 10.
There’s an air of a truce in politics at the moment. That won’t last long, and there’s going to be one almighty day of reckoning once some semblance of normality is resumed.
Mistake one – Nandy. she is just an idiot. Such an idiot she had to be slapped down by Murray who is a first rate idiot
Nandy is no fool, and appears to be one of the few who understands the challenge of reconnecting with lost northern voters.
As Sir Keir Starmer he will find it difficult connecting with traditional working class Labour voters. He looks every bit the typical Oxford graduate sleazy modern politician, and was a staunch Remainer too.
so you're not aware of his background at all?
and being a brexiter is something all politicians will be trying to distance themselves from before long
Nandy was predicting for about 12 months what was going to happen in the ‘northern heartlands’ at the general election. But nobody in Islington wanted to hear it.
She’s more of an understanding of what’s required to win those seats back than anyone else in the party
I'm not sure I like all this Keir love. What the hell are we going to argue about for the next four years? Binners will be made redundant.
He’s got to get rid of Corbyns hopeless and overpaid henchmen in party headquarters yet.
Do you think that shower are going to go quietly?
I’m not sure I like all this Keir love. What the hell are we going to argue about for the next four years? Binners will be made redundant.
Thank f***.
Do you think that shower are going to go quietly?
Milne has already gone. Formby is a mere administrator, and Murphy a manager. I think you overestimate their power now that Corbyn has gone.
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Nandy is no fool, and appears to be one of the few who understands the challenge of reconnecting with lost northern voters.
Which North are you talking about?
Because in the actual North the SNP has swept up and annihilated the Labour vote, and she has done a wonderful job of antagonising them, so I don't see her getting any traction on recovering the 40+ Labour seats they used to get up here. You can count the number of current Scottish Labour MPs on the pinky of one hand.
Starmer is the son of a toolmaker, it's also worth pointing out that Labour supporters for the most part backed Remain.
TBH, Starmer winning the leadership vote has been the first piece of good news in politics for a very long time.
Nandy is an idiot. ~See her comments about Scotland which she doubled down on. She is young and perhaps will learn but that showed such a lack of political nous - as bad as anything RLB has said.
Her idea of reconnecting with the lost northern english voters seems to be " pander to the racists, play the race card". Mind you it sort of worked for Burnham.
Anyway, Annelise Dodds, a member of McDonnell's treasury team instead of Reeves as shadow chancellor. Thank god for that. And no Cooper or Benn so far so all good. Not fussed about Nandy being foreign sec, it's a shit job with very little influence on anything important. It reminds me of when May made boris foreign sec.
tjagain
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Mooman – he is a long way from that sterotype. Johnson he is not. Look at his background
Of course I know his background, hence why I wrote He looks .. not He is.
Uncle Jezza... much as I love you, you don’t half talk some nonsense about Andy Burnham in particular, and politics in Northern England generally.
Nandy was bloody stupid in her remarks about Scotland, but personally I think Scotland is now a lost cause for Labour anyway.
But in her comments about the ‘northern heartlands’ (I ****ing HATE that expression), which were dismissed by a London-obsessed leadership, she was absolutely bang on! And it isn’t ‘pandering to racists’. That’s clearly how is was perceived by Corbyn and co in Islington. And look where that complacent, dismissive attitude got them?
Perhaps she’ll actually listened too now. She’s some very worthwhile things to say, and it’s nothing like the simplistic ‘racist’ attitude you too dismiss it as
Burnham played the race card in the Mayoral election in an utterly disgraceful way. I gave you the quotes a while back and you agreed.
Nandy has show a stupendous lack of political judgement and knowledge - and refused to apologise for it.
I doubt that. I don’t believe for a second that Andy Burnham is a racist
Anyway... let’s get back on topic. That isn’t really what the threads about
I think it's all about personality. KS and LN come across as decent, genuine people (and dare I say honest!) so let's see what happens. They both seem to have hit a note with the public. Doesn't matter if you're North or South as long as everywhere is treated fairly. I hope KS takes the moral high ground and is adult in his political dealings. That will cause BJ to self destruct, it's not hard to outwit an idiot.
There’s no question that with Starmer as leader Boris and chums are not going to have the easy ride they’ve had for the last few years
And right now it’s really really important that there’s a proper opposition.
