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Christ, if i wanted to spend 1 hour 20 minutes listening to Corbynists slating Keir Starmer i’d give DazH a call
Just log on to this lefty moanfest thread and check up on the usual suspects
In my head, I can see them all getting together to plan the revolution and they look like this...
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..but less smiley, more grumpy. Definitely in black and white though 😀
Yeah actual analysis of locals here
Goodness, even Starmer backing Prospect admits that despite everything in Labour's favour "the results still point to a hung parliament," which as we know from binners is simply not good enough.
Last Thursday Labour received exactly the same share of the vote as it had done 4 years previously in the same seats - 35%
The Tory share of the vote fell 5% to 30%
And the LibDem share of the vote increased 3% to 19%
The party which saw the most significant increase in support was the Greens, who presumably benefited from people who couldn't bring themselves to vote for a Labour Party barely distinguishable from the Tories.
in my head, I can see them all getting together to plan the revolution and they look like this…
Here's a current story of low paid workers that you can ridicule and poke fun at binners :
Enjoy.
who presumably benefited from people
I think they took seats from both Tories and Labour in just about equal numbers. Even forced some deeply Tory Oxford councils into NOC They also did very well in contested local elections were established contenders were opposing LTNs - be they labour or Tory.
People are becoming more environmentally aware, I don't think voting for the Green party is protest vote any longer
In my head, I can see them all getting together to plan the revolution and they look like this…
Enjoy the current alternative then.
Effing Gove going on about cutting all the taxes all the time. (Despite the recent tax hike!) Jesus they've got one script - that they're the party of always cutting taxes!
Cutting taxes will only go so far irrespective. Tories running out of road. Implode soon please.
The only way to get the economoy going is massive government spending - the current Tories are boosting the chances of a deeper dark recession then last time. Commercial bank lending will drop off a cliff, business will go under, interest rates will rise and they think they can kick start the economy?
This- THIS is the real issue now.
“the results still point to a hung parliament,” which as we know from binners is simply not good enough.
Au contraire comrade. I've said consistently that any non-tory government will have to be a coalition. Thats been the case since the inevitable rise of the SNP. The sooner all the parties recognise this and embrace it, the sooner we can get shut of this lot.
At the recent local elections here, the Lib Dems put a 'paper candidate' up. They didn't campaign at all, but knew that they would take votes off the Tory party from people who normally voted Tory, are appalled by Boris, but can't/won't vote Labour
It worked. We now have 3 Labour councillors.
I hope that the national parties start cooperating in the same manner, otherwise we'll have permanent Tory rule
otherwise we’ll have permanent Tory rule
It took 18 years to get the previous Tories out. You don't assume that despite their dominance we will be under Tory rule forever - if Labour decided to push back and offer an alternative - or yes it's permanent right wing rule.
It worked.
Labour's share of the vote in the local elections last Thursday was exactly the same as it was 4 years ago in the same seats.
So your measure of success binners is doing as well as under the previous leadership.
The only way to get the economoy going is massive government spending – the current Tories are boosting the chances of a deeper dark recession then last time. Commercial bank lending will drop off a cliff, business will go under, interest rates will rise and they think they can kick start the economy?
This- THIS is the real issue now.
Couldn't agree more. Take the latest bullshit announcement about building a nuclear power station every year. Utter cobblers that will never happen. What they were actually saying was "if anyone should fancy designing, financing and then building about ten nuclear power stations, that would be great, thanks"
They have absolutely no intention of doing a bloody thing about anything. They just leave everything to 'The Market' and cross their fingers and hope something magically happens. To actually intervene with some state involvement and investment and planning goes against every outdated, intellectually bankrupt principle they hold dear
God knows what state this country will be in in twleve months time as the only levers this lot are interested in pulling is just deregulation and privatisation
So your measure of success binners is doing as well as under the previous leadership.
Again... this isn't specifically about Labour. The days of parliamentary majorities for the Labour party are over. This is about all other parties cooperating to take seats off the Tory's and forming a non-Tory coalition government
That is the only realistic ambition
The Tory's lost 500 council seats, didn't they? Then thats all that matters, unless its UKIP taking them, which it isn't
this isn’t specifically about Labour.
Ah just as well....... it's great news for Starmer that the Greens and LibDems did well!
You didn't set the bar so low for the previous Labour leader!
the only levers this lot are interested in pulling is just deregulation and privatisation
Unlike Starmer's 10 pledges which voters don't seem to know about.
Christ, if i wanted to spend 1 hour 20 minutes listening to Corbynists slating Keir Starmer i’d give DazH a call
You'd probably be disappointed, as binners and nickc can testify my real life self is far more sensible and chilled out than the bored-at-work online version. 😏
I'm constantly disappointed by the lack of petrol bombs
I’ve said consistently that any non-tory government will have to be a coalition.
I also want to repeat this. Has been true for years. Will be true for many more years, at least. Will keep saying it. It doesn't stop being true because Starmer is leader. It won't stop being true after he is leader. We're decades away from a majority Labour government... and it may never happen if other parties push a minority Labour government towards electoral reform.
The Tory’s lost 500 council seats, didn’t they?
Exactly. And we need them to lose seats in parliament as well. In our system, that isn't just about weighing the vote across the country, it's about where those votes are cast, and how the non-Tory vote is (or isn't) split.
Au contraire comrade. I’ve said consistently that any non-tory government will have to be a coalition.
So you don't think that Labour should be twenty points ahead?
So you don’t think that Labour should be twenty points ahead?
Nah, a 1% lead over the Tories is just fine now:
So you don’t think that Labour should be twenty points ahead?
PMSL - that centrist spin-ball.
Starmer is the answer!
You vile spitting image puppet.
https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1524311949118521344?s=20&t=cqjHCKGDrL85vZyPwRQcdQ
I have friends that voted for these.
It took 18 years to get the previous Tories out. You don’t assume that despite their dominance we will be under Tory rule forever
In 1997 Labour won 56 seats in Scotland. Do you see the problem with your statement...
Labour’s share of the vote in the local elections last Thursday was exactly the same as it was 4 years ago in the same seats.
So your measure of success binners is doing as well as under the previous leadership.
only really a point if you ignore 2019
You vile spitting image puppet.
Quite amusing though watching his leadership prospects go up in smoke with one coke-fuelled interview. It's no wonder they've been keeping him away from the limelight.
Looks like he pushed on through from last night
coke-fuelled interview
That was my very first thought.
only really a point if you ignore 2019
Which of course you should do because 2019 was a different election in different seats.
It is generally accepted that you make a comparison with a previous election in the same seats, not a different election in different seats.
Gove has always fancied himself as a stand up. Was it David Baddiel he made a TV sketch show pilot with?
More than a pilot... a whole series...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Stab_in_the_Dark_(TV_series)
https://www.channel4.com/programmes/a-stab-in-the-dark
https://twitter.com/Baddiel/status/748842304350384128?s=20&t=I2xFvdde_oTetdIwr20BUw
Just watched that Gove interview. That must’ve been quite a long line he did before coming on the air
That must’ve been quite a long line he did before coming on the air
First saw it in some random tweet and was really unsure whether it was fake or not.
In 1997 Labour won 56 seats in Scotland. Do you see the problem with your statement…
Well I wasn't predicting anything really. Things can change quickly even if the gestation period can seem to go on forever.
https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1523984310017171456?t=kc7XJTOT4x-4pqRvPRBZbA&s=19
Be interesting to see how this pans out later with Starmer's resign position.
Currently don't think it will swing it.
Think Labour have lost their steam whilst Johnson is doing deep pocket War walks.
That poll changes daily
Westminster Voting Intention:
LAB: 39% (-2)
CON: 34% (-1)
LDM: 11% (+2)
SNP: 4% (=)
GRN: 3% (-1)
Via
@SavantaComRes
, 6-8 May.
Changes w/ 29 Apr - 1 May.
According to the swingometer calculation if the latest YouGov findings of a 1% Labour lead were repeated in a general election the Tories would actually end up with 11 more seats than Labour.
Although to be fair since the YouGov poll there has been a Savanta ComRes poll which gives Labour a 5% lead and a Redfield & Wilton Strategies poll which gives Labour a 6% lead.
Whatever else they claim all these polls have one thing in common - they all predict that Labour wouldn't win a general election and the result would be a hung parliament.
Which at least one person on here seems to think would be a fantastic result for Labour. Bizarrely he is the same person who previously claimed that Labour needed to have a 20 point lead over the Tories before it could claim to be doing well.
Edit : The other obvious point all the polls make is that the current Opposition is spectacularly useless. Could there be more open goals handed on a plate for them to fail to exploit?
Which at least one person on here seems to think would be a fantastic result for Labour.
Fantastic? Or the best result likely at the next general election? And a better result than the Conservatives having the most seats, yet again. If Labour can be the biggest party in parliament within a few years, I will absolutely cheer that. I don’t think Starmer is the person to achieve that though.
[ this thread is just looping again, can someone do a hard reset please ]
The other obvious point all the polls make is that the current Opposition is spectacularly useless. Could there be more open goals handed on a plate for them to fail to exploit?
I think that would be my take-away. Can you imagine if the Tories were actually good at anything?
https://twitter.com/LeftieStats/status/1524717272136310787?s=20&t=S-zSQY-sueKseeD__jKZig
Because the kind of complacent, sanctimonious, reactionary, left-wing idiots who like lobbing around terms like ‘Tory-lite’ just led the Labour Party to its worst election result in 85 years.
You can't on the one hand call people that push back against the Tories 'left-wing-idiots' and enter a thread in support of Labour.
None of what you say makes sense here.
Would a Labour government do a better job running the country than the current government?
Interesting stat there is just how sticky the idea of Labour being a worse potential government is with the 2019 Conservative voters. Which fits in with the pattern of other polls, showing that when people say they wouldn't vote Conservative again if there was another election now... very few say they would vote Labour instead. Conservatives losing votes doesn't mean those voters move over to Labour. Blame whoever you want for that, but, at this point at least, it is a thing, and opposition parties need to respond to it, not ignore it, when it comes to taking seats of the Conservatives at the next election.
Well said - but this is down to Labour to fix, or make a better case to the electorate at least.
As stated before, polls are a bit pointless just now, there is nothing to gauge against, they’re asking a hypothetical question which only one party has actually done, for all the moaning about government, only the tories have done it in the last decade, and it’s boris who is shaking hands with world leaders and in the news daily for it.
Or the other alternative is that it’s all Starmers fault for not being left wing enough
As stated before, polls are a bit pointless just now, there is nothing to gauge against, they’re asking a hypothetical question which only one party has actually done, for all the moaning about government, only the tories have done it in the last decade, and it’s boris who is shaking hands with world leaders and in the news daily for
I think they're a useful way to gauge sentiment especially when the incumbent is so useless.
So I don't agree.
Or the other alternative is that it’s all Starmers fault for not being left wing enough
Don't call left wing if you like - call it pushing back against the Tories.
For those wondering if Labour spectacularly losing a safe Labour council last week was all due the total incompetence of the blairite clique that controlled it, here is a comment which highlights another reason that should concern the party nationally :
In Croydon’s last remaining ‘Spoons pub, a newly re-elected councillor, who is from the Steve Reed OBE right of Labour, was complaining bitterly about the party’s lacklustre manifesto and its uninspiring campaign. Having just spent eight years giving the residents of the borough 200million reasons not to vote for him and his party, the Blairite was moaning into his beer that there had been too few Labour door knockers out canvassing.
As recently as 2019, hundreds of Labour supporters turned out for a town centre rally with John McDonnell, Jeremy Corbyn’s right-hand man. In 2022, fewer than three dozen – and many of those candidates under strict orders to turn up – were banner waving for current deputy leader Angela Rayner in New Addington. Labour would lose three council seats in New Addington.
Given the bashing that the party’s activist left-wing has taken from Labour leader Keith Starmer and his chief apparatchik David Evans, is it any wonder?
Some comrades, including veteran politician and activist David White, the former Croydon Central Labour Party secretary, have been shamefully expelled. Loyal left-wingers can normally be relied on as most of the canvassers at election time. Indeed, Reedite Croydon Central MP Sarah Jones credited the campaigning of Momentum activists as being crucial in helping her defeat Gavin Barwell in 2017 and then get re-elected in the marginal seat two years later.
Evans himself was seen out on the Croydon campaign trail with Shawcross, but the man whose CV suggests that it was his organisation that won the 1997 General Election landslide for Tony Bliar was unable to cast a spell over this 2022 attempt to keep control of Croydon Town Hall.
Shawcross’s humbling defeat in Croydon is the writing on the wall for the Labour Party.
Just as they did in Croydon, core Labour voters may in future prefer to stay at home rather than offer themselves to be shat on by the egoists of the local political class.
Labour's against the odds defeat in Croydon last Thursday should be a salutary lesson of things to come, and the consequences of having a rudderless and demoralised party with no vision to offer.
But of course nothing will be learnt and to the Tories undoubted delight the current leader will continue to attack members of his party in the vague and desperate hope that it will somehow placate and satisfy the Daily Mail.
Here's the full article that the quote comes from:
Inside Croydon: Croydon May 2022 is writing on the wall for Starmer’s Labour.
https://insidecroydon.com/2022/05/13/croydon-may-2022-is-writing-on-the-wall-for-starmers-labour/
Not being picky, but could issues like the fact Croydon council went bankrupt between 2019 and now, had huge corruption issues and trials, and of course the internal labour battles between the likes of momentum and the croydon councillors have been contributing factors, more than just they lost 7 councillors because people don't like Starmer or Rayner as much as they liked Corbyn and McDonnell in that area?
Croydon also appears to be a bit of an outlier compared to most other voting areas in London and the UK in terms of the way they've voted over the last few years, so trying to map out the issues they've had across the country doesn't really seem to work.
Well you have obviously completely missed the point being made argee, maybe you didn't read it properly. It had nothing to do with the popularity or lack of popularity of party leaders.
It is generally assumed that the scandal riddled Labour's group appalling incompetence was the reason that Croydon went against the tide in London and swung to the Tories. The article however suggests that expulsions had further demoralised the party and left it severely short of committed activists to do the heavy footwork which is always necessary in election campaigns.
Still never mind, as I said, I don't expect lessons to be learnt and understood, it goes against the preferred narrative.