I think it's definitely time the Labour upper echelons were shaken up a bit, and a lot more people from working class backgrounds were represented in the senior membership. It still is very much an elite group who are really at the top of the party. People like Angela Rayner can only go so far; anyone wanting to get anywhere near power in the Labour party, still needs to play that establishment game. And that's what lies at the root of Labour's woes; the senior ranks are far too full of people who have no connection whatsoever with their potential voters and the electorate in general. Perhaps a few more 'council estate chavs' are what's needed, to give Labour that 'party of the people' appeal. Because when you're being outplayed at that game, by an old Etonian rugger bugger, you've really lost your way. So maybe it's time for a ground up rebuild, rather than trying to shore up just the ceiling?
superior city lawyer boss.
Human rights lawyer. Not much call for that expertise in the city.
Ernie? Seriously, are you still rattling on about my local boozer?
Can I just ask why you all find it so endlessly fascinating that we seem to now have 2 threads dedicated to it?
It's not some microcosm of society, or anything special. Its just a standard boozer with some racist regulars. Thats all.
Though there have been developments about the latest additions to the outside space
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People like Angela Rayner can only go so far
What? She's now got more titles than a South American dictator
You know exactly who, thicko council estate chav woman who ran rings around her superior city lawyer boss. She’ll march them into the future armed with a crate of strongbow dark fruits, 20 B&H and a half eaten bag of chips.
@dazh Please tell me you are not serious with this description?
Why are you still repeating that “thicko”
Kelvin I think you have misunderstood. My thicko comments are entirely ironic, because as it turns out it would appear Ms Rayner is operating on a higher level to her politically inept boss and his advisors.
She was wise enough to get the Deputy Leader post nailed on early, rather than get pulled in to the race to be Leader at the worst time... she's a smart operator.
https://twitter.com/AnnelieseDodds/status/1398926378964328451?s=19
Think Labour ought get someone to talk to them about audio compression/ sound recording?
15s in.
What a shoddy outfit.
Of course pedant warning but there is no excuse for this especially when the Tories know how to manipulate social media.
People like Angela Rayner can only go so far
She's literally one job away from as far up as she could climb right now.
Most people have worked out that binners is just pulling your pigtails, and yet you fall for it Every Single Time…
I think we're all aware that binners likes to shutdown any chance of grownup debate.
It’s not some microcosm of society
And yet that is exactly the point you were trying to make when you invited everyone to come down to your local pub.
Apparently it would help us to understand why Labour was going to lose the Hartlepool by-election.
Are you still rattling on about my local boozer?
It's almost as if I'm holding onto a theme and won't let go, isn't it binners?
I know you would never do anything like that. Just the one off comment about 6th.formers, or some hilarious comment regarding Monty Python, or maybe the equally hilarious "U OK HUN? X", never to be repeated.
You have never banged on endlessly, for literally years, on the same theme.
Perhaps a few more ‘council estate chavs’ are what’s needed, to give Labour that ‘party of the people’ appeal. Because when you’re being outplayed at that game, by an old Etonian rugger bugger, you’ve really lost your way. So maybe it’s time for a ground up rebuild, rather than trying to shore up just the ceiling?
Well they first need to stand for election so I guess the Labour party could ensure ensure only people of the people can stand? But how come the people who have recently switched to vote Tory are voting for Tories who are not people of the people, is that what the voters actually want?
Don't ask me, where I live the vast majority of people have voted for Desmond Swayne for over 20 years...
Most people have worked out that binners is just pulling your pigtails,
Aka trolling to make the political threads all about him, then feigning surprise/horror when it succeeds.
It’s almost as if I’m holding onto a theme and won’t let go, isn’t it binners?
Hehehe well played
or insinuating they are ‘conspiracy theorist nutjobs’,
There's nobody who fits that description on here. Just for the record.
Think Labour ought get someone to talk to them about audio compression/ sound recording?
Hehe the bit from 15 secs where she has the mask on makes it look like she is the one making those extremely loud bird noises. It's all very BrassEye and bizarre.
Monty Python never gets old.
Well, the relevant highlights posted here don't, any way. Binners "repetitive" jokes tend to come up when the same posters make much the same points again and again for years. I take them to be him making a deep sighing noise in a form that can be posted on a forum. Even when they aren't funny, you know the release is doing him good.
Dodds should stay in the background, she really can't do media of any kind. She's hopeless at it.
Binners “repetitive” jokes tend to come up when the same posters make much the same points again and again for years.
They come up because it's much easier to attack the poster rather than address the point they are making. I realise that I'm giving him more of the attention he so obviously craves.
Binners does address points made. He just doesn't always so in a serious manner. We can all sometimes (often?) be too dismissive of others. I've seen examples of many of the people posting here right now doing it. I've done it, for sure. If his posts are more memorable... well... persuade him to let you sponsor him or something.
Binners does address points made.
Well no, that is the opposite of what he does. He seeks to deride the person making the point by dismissing them as too young, too old or too communist. It's pretty much the definition of ad hominem.
It's interesting that when others play the same game, there's a reaction.
Binners does address points made. He just doesn’t always so in a serious manner
Aka fails to address them and just goes for tiresome ad hominem attacks.
I havent seen any evidence he is actually capable of a serious discussion. I mean he is deluded enough to think a public inquiry would actually be useful ffs.
Is it safe to talk about Kier Starmer on the Starmer thread yet?
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Yup, lots of points addressed by Binners... he really should consider a sponsorship deal though, with all the interest shown in him.
Kelvin I know you're a fan boy of binners but trying to claim he doesn't constantly mischaracterise/insult/goad/troll the people he disagrees with is really not convincing. Yes it's not all he does but it's a fairly large proportion and it's extremely tedious. It's football tribalism applied to politics.
Even when they aren’t funny, you know the release is doing him good.
Aww bless...,.no, I didn't know that.
I had no idea that his regular not-very-funny-although-possibly-once-funny comments and insults are simply a release that are doing him good.
To be honest I had no idea he was that sensitive.
Binners, you okay hun? xx
I think he’s extremely patient, all things considered. People can be utter tools on the internet, this forum is no exception. Still… any chance we could find a way of getting back to Starmer…?
Is it safe to talk about Kier Starmer on the Starmer thread yet?
Well right there is the problem. Keir Starmer is so devoid of personality, inspiration, vision, and policies, there is actually very little to talk about.
Which presumably is why binners wants to talk about Corbyn, Momentum, Len McCluskey, anyone, even Jo Biden, other than Starmer, on a thread about Starmer.
I think he’s extremely patient
Binners saint-like patience is the stuff of legend down the Rose and Crown.
Ever since the door hit his arse on the way out.
When is the next PMQs?
School catch-up "tsar" resigns over funding fiasco.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-57335558
Ever since the door hit his arse on the way out.
I thought we’d established that didn’t happen? I can’t keep up. Last I saw he was reading the guardian in a pub shocked into silence by his liberal militant wokeness.
On a point of order, what do we think council estate queen Angie Rayner would do in a similar situation?
School catch-up “tsar” resigns over funding fiasco.
Something the front bench have been “banging on about” for over a year (normally replied to by a minister or the PM with some nonsense about Labour not wanting kids to go to school).
Kelvin stop trying to change the subject, we’re still on Rose and Crown-gate 😀
I think he’s extremely patient, all things considered
Dismissing arguments through ad hominem attacks doesn't strike me as patient.
Daz - Angela Rayner would definitely pan somebody out in the rose and crown. Probably with an actual pan. A massive one.
As for Rose and Crown-gate; I was expecting CCTV footage by now. Come on you lefty Colombo’s. Sort your act out
Well to get to the bottom of happened on that fateful day binners, which had such a profound and lasting effect on your drinking habits, would require me to make a 250 mile car journey to the now infamous Rose and Crown.
Whilst I relish the thought of questioning all the suspects involved in this tragic altercation I find how you teasingly divulge snippets of new information quite fascinating and challenging.
I am now building this scenario which goes along the lines : One day, for reasons which aren't fully explained, you have this "massive barney" with everyone in the Rose and Crown, immediately followed by a period of tense and deathly silence which is only punctuated by the occasional rustling sound of you turning the pages of your Guardian newspaper, and the gulping sound of you finishing your pint.
At some point, presumably after have finished your pint, you stand up and loudly exclaim to the whole pub, "you are all bigots".
After which you exit the premises and the thunderous sound of a door being slammed is heard.
Once again the pub descends into silence until, according to your inside contact, someone pipes up "what's a bigot?"
How's that binners? I know it's probably not be perfect but it's pretty close, isn't it, eh?
Angela Rayner would definitely pan somebody
I’d pay good money to watch that. I can only hope you’re right and she brings her uncouth council estate temper to PMQs some day in a pissed up rant at all the pig-f****** Tory boys. Maybe that’s what Starmer should do. The red wall is there for the taking, all it needs is some swear words and cheap alcohol.
So, Starmer should have white lightning on and with his cornflakes just before PMQs.
That could liven things up a little but his background would probably hold him back.
Yep, Rayner on the sauce and delivering home truths to any of the tory front bench would be...priceless and worth a load of votes.
We can all dream...
Ernie, you’re absolutely on the money.
What’s even better is that according to my mate Kaz, who was working behind the bar at the time, is that there was then a animated, disgruntled discussion (once they’d had it explained to them what one was) about why it was allowed for me to call them bigots, yet they weren’t allowed to call people ‘the N word’ or ‘the P word’ (they obviously used the full words at this point).
That’s the level of intelligence and awareness we’re dealing with here
It’s political correctness gaaaawn maaaad
but his background would probably hold him back
You mean because his dad was a toolmaker and he was first in his family to go to uni? Or 'cause his mum was a nurse, making him posh?
Starmer should have white lightning on and with his cornflakes
By all accounts he’s a single malt man. That might explain his meek demeanour. I’ve never met an aggressive whiskey drinker. His advisors would do well to spike him with some buckfast. Politics would be a completely different ball game.
You mean because his dad was a toolmaker and he was first in his family to go to uni? Or ’cause his mum was a nurse, making him posh?
Although he can speak for himself I am sure that Frank was referring to Starmer's background as a former Director of Public Prosecutions and Head of the Crown Prosecution Service who was privately educated in one of the most affluent parts of the UK.
That's how I read it anyway.
Some northern working-class cloth cap wearing pasty eaters like binners would struggle to identify with him.
my dad was a toolmaker and my mum was a nurse.
Ironic eh?
Northern 'pasty' eaters ?
Thats me... prefer a mince pie to a pasty (meat mince not Christmas mince)
Me Dad was a labourer amd me Mam a cleaner... i am a proper working class hero dont ya know 🙂
