You can, if it amuses you and your classmates.
Starmer would be well advised to stop picking fights with anyone to the left of Mandelson.
Reminder that in the last general election 40% of Unite members voted Tory. Which would suggest that they don't view Starmer as particularly right wing.
Ooh! Can we call Armrest ‘Plonker Rodney’, now?
It is about as hilarious as Armrest. I will just call him Starmer as I am not 12 years old.
I call him The Starminator
Reminder that in the last general election 40% of Unite members voted Tory.
No idea what this has to do with labour. Unite is a union, and lots of people join for the legal representation should they need it rather than the political side. When I worked for a local authority the resident union was GMB and as far as I could tell most of the membes were died in the wool cheshire tory types. Starmer isn't picking fights with unions, but with his own membership and shadow cabinet colleagues.
hasn’t Jo Biden just shown that its best not to ......
You seem to be offering Jo Biden as sort of shinning example of how to win elections binners.
Yes he won the US presidential election last year, but it was by a margin of just 4%, hardly an example of a stunning victory.
And perhaps you should remember that this was against what must surely be the worse president in US history.
A man who had stood before the international media and talked about curing people of covid-19 by shining a bright light into them, such is the level of his cretinous stupidity.
A man who hadn't even managed to get the majority of votes in the presidential election 4 years previously, in fact he got 3 million votes less than his opponent.
And you are impressed by that? FFS
You are obviously very easily impressed binners. No wonder you have a level of confidence in Starmer which appears to be completely out of sync with everyone else.
You seem to be offering Jo Biden as sort of shinning example of how to win elections binners.
Yes he won the US presidential election last year, but it was by a margin of just 4%, hardly an example of a stunning victory.
And perhaps you should remember that this was against what must surely be the worse president in US history.
You may see Trump as the worst president, 50% of americans don't agree and beating Trump was a success. The same challenge lies with Johnson as people in this country are just as ****ing stupid as people in the US.
The only way and only reason we've had a labour government is because the foreign billionaire press wanted them .
We need to make the media owned by British people.
And perhaps you should remember that this was against what must surely be the worse president in US history.
David Cameron was the worst PM in UK History
or so we thought
Then came Theresa May. Now she was DEFINITELY the worst PM in UK History
And then...
The only consistent thing is that Labour lost elections to them all, by a worse margin every time
Yes he won the US presidential election last year, but it was by a margin of just 4%
Close elections (in terms of the popular vote) are normal in presidential elections now. Last two digit margin was Reagan, I think. As for the rest of your post... no, we didn't sleep though the last 5 years, we have all witnessed the baffling correlation of monsterous ineptitude and very high levels of voter support that was/is the Trump phenomena.
by a worse margin every time
Come on now you know that's not true.
https://fortune.com/2021/01/18/trump-approval-rating-average-popularity/
"President Donald Trump’s approval rating has dropped to 34% in a Gallup poll released Monday, the low point of a presidency that already had the weakest average approval rating of any of his predecessors since the survey began in the 1940s."
The lowest average approval ratings since the 1940s. And Jo Biden wins by a stunning 4%. Hooray for Jo Biden! How did he work his magic???
You can, if it amuses you and your classmates.
Oh it does, It does. As much as, if not more, than calling Corbyn 'Magic Grandad' etc, and using terms like 'comrade', 'sixth formers' etc does with certain other members. Perhaps you should chide them for their childishness also?
'Rodney and the Plonkers'. I like that, for Armrest and his doting acolytes. 😀
One of Starmer's problems is that he has no acolytes. He has no personal fan base. In a way, I thought that would be a useful trait for someone hoping to bring different strands of the Labour movement together. Doesn't look that way at all now.
He has no personal fan base
What you talking about, binners is a huge fan! Surely he's not the only one??
I’d hardly call myself a fan. I voted for him as the least worst option of an uninspiring bunch.
I had hoped that a bit of gravitas might improve matters. Like Kelvin I hoped that not being a prominent member of any particular faction might be a huge advantage. Some hope.
I’ve been really disappointed with where the party is at the moment, but then when his starting point was the smouldering wreckage of the absolutely catastrophic Corbynite ‘project’, I don’t really know what he can do? By the time grandad shuffled off it was more a sixth form protest group than an actual political party
It’s clear that he’s been tasked with the Kinnock job of repairing the damage from the last time the lefties turned the party into an unelectable rabble. A job that could this time be beyond the abilities of anyone.
Between them the legacy of Jezza, Len, Seamus, Momentum and co might well be a permanent one party Tory state. Not that I’d expect any of those to acknowledge any of their responsibilities for that. They don't do contrition. Their own moral certainty won't allow it. It's everyone else's fault. Always.
'The Left' never cared about actually getting elected and the responsibilities that go with power, it doesn't care that it has finished the labour party as a realistic party of government in most peoples eyes. As long as it gets to wallow in its own highly vocal, lofty, self-righteous moral indigence, its happy enough.
I think they actually long for a Tory government so they can fuel their culture war. They seem as keen to continue it as their opposite numbers which is very unfortunate for the majority of us who are stuck in the middle and just feel completely alienated from both sets of extremists, and effectively politically homeless.
*Complains about being patronised
*Repeats the same infantile insults for the 7392nd time.
🤔
effectively politically homeless
Would that make you non-binnery?
I’ve been really disappointed with where the party is at the moment, but then when his starting point was the smouldering wreckage of the absolutely catastrophic Corbynite ‘project’, I don’t really know what he can do? By the time grandad shuffled off it was more a sixth form protest group than an actual political party
It’s clear that he’s been tasked with the Kinnock job of repairing the damage from the last time the lefties turned the party into an unelectable rabble. A job that could this time be beyond the abilities of anyone.
Between them the legacy of Jezza, Len, Seamus, Momentum and co might well be a permanent one party Tory state. Not that I’d expect any of those to acknowledge any of their responsibilities for that. They don’t do contrition. Their own moral certainty won’t allow it. It’s everyone else’s fault. Always.
‘The Left’ never cared about actually getting elected and the responsibilities that go with power, it doesn’t care that it has finished the labour party as a realistic party of government in most peoples eyes. As long as it gets to wallow in its own highly vocal, lofty, self-righteous moral indigence, its happy enough.
I think they actually long for a Tory government so they can fuel their culture war. They seem as keen to continue it as their opposite numbers which is very unfortunate for the majority of us who are stuck in the middle and just feel completely alienated from both sets of extremists, and effectively politically homeless.
Phew, it's all the fault of the previous party leader........ that's a relief!
And "Len, Seamus, Momentum and co" of course. In fact it's pretty much everyone's fault expect Starmer's.
It makes so much sense that Labour did very significantly worse in Hartlepool under Starmer, than it did in two elections under Corbyn, because of Corbyn.
And it's the same logic which explains how Jo Biden scraping to victory against the most unpopular US president in history can be used as a template for Starmer to win against a highly popular British prime minister.
I only come here for binners analytical political brilliance. The punters down the Rose and Crown don't know what they are missing. Fools!
Would that make you non-binnery?
Would that make you non-binnery?
Loving your work there, fella! 😀
And it’s the same logic which explains how Jo Biden scraping to victory against the most unpopular US president in history
Interesting that you don't understand how US elections work.
Phew, it’s all the fault of the previous party leader…….. that’s a relief!
Well the loss was and then Starmer came in just before the start of a pandemic against a very popular prime minister.
Starmer has not done what he needed to but I am not convinced anybody (from the people who could be selected) could have actually done any better other than some sort of super leader and I don't think Labour have any MPs to hand that would fit that description.
I understand enough to know that you can win a US presidential election without winning the popular vote.
Oh it does, It does. As much as, if not more, than calling Corbyn ‘Magic Grandad’ etc, and using terms like ‘comrade’, ‘sixth formers’ etc does with certain other members. Perhaps you should chide them for their childishness also?
By the time grandad shuffled off it was more a sixth form protest group than an actual political party
Bingo!
and I don’t think Labour have any MPs to hand that would fit that description
And there's the rub. Who'd be doing any better right now if they were leader? Or sightly less hypothetically, if Starmer is to be replaced in the near future, who's stepping up to take his place...?
And there’s the rub. Who’d be doing any better right now if they were leader?
Theres only one realistic contender and he was clever enough to see the writing on the (sixth form) wall and extricate himself for the whole sorry mess a few years ago, to go and do something far more useful and rewarding, and do it well (as his trend-bucking increased majority with a 67% vote share proved).
I expect he looks at the disastrous shambles of the years since he left and breathes a hearty sigh of relief that he was nowhere near Westminster.
Theres only one realistic contender and he was clever enough to see the writing on the (sixth form) wall
Bingo!
It'll be nice when the schools go back
It’ll be nice when the schools go back
Indeed. You can use your oh so hilarious insults in the playground, rather than here. I guess that if any of your classmates say anything you don't like, you can flounce and find a different playground.
Has anyone worked out which angry ex-forumite bridges is yet?
Or pretend to shout at some nasty men. 😀
clearly likes a joke
We all like a joke. Feel free to make some.
Oh ok then; the Labour Party! 😀
One week only folks...
if any of your classmates say anything you don’t like, you can flounce and find a different playground.
Proper lol!
rather than here
Most people have worked out that binners is just pulling your pigtails, and yet you fall for it Every Single Time...
Thing is; I think most of us on here would be well up for some serious discussion and debate. But it seems one individual in particular, is intent only on pouring scorn on anyone who dare have slightly different opinions to himself. The constant barrage of abuse and vitriol, attempting to belittle people be calling them 'sixth formers', or insinuating they are 'conspiracy theorist nutjobs', and generally insulting many people who genuinely want to create a better society through political campaigning, direct action or even just by giving a shit about others, sucks up a load of oxygen better spent elsewhere. If that's how Binners wants to play it, fine, we can do that. We can resort to 'playground' behaviour, if all we are is just a load of kids, right?
Or he can drop the constant attention seeking crap, and we can go back to having a proper intelligent debate. I'm more than up for that. And I'm sure others are too. Cos one man's quest for affirmation has got rather stale and boring. Wouldn't you agree?
U OK HUN? X
Painful.
Anyway... what's Starmer talking about...?
https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1398976484543508480?s=20
https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1399670266507284485?s=20
Here's a BBC article that's quite sympathetic to Starmer (there, see, I can do it, so can others), which is a pretty big shift from the blatantly partisan stuff they used to do about Corbyn:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57321990
It's nice that he's got time for shmoozing slebs; personally, I'd rather be down an allotment, but to each their own.
Anyway… what’s Starmer talking about…?
Stuff that other people have been talking about for over a year now? Stuff that many of us have known exists for pretty much ever? Or has he just discovered the internet, bless him?
who’s stepping up to take his place…?
You know exactly who, thicko council estate chav woman who ran rings around her superior city lawyer boss. She'll march them into the future armed with a crate of strongbow dark fruits, 20 B&H and a half eaten bag of chips.
Most people have worked out that binners is just pulling your pigtails
Exactly. That's why I think binners should go back to the Rose and Crown and say, "sorry lads I was just pulling your pigtails".
I'm sure everyone would have a good ol' hearty laugh with much thigh slapping and everything would be just tickety-boo afterwards.
What do you say binners? Maybe buy everyone in the pub a drink just to remind them what a great guy you are?
thicko council estate chav woman
Why are you still repeating that “thicko” thing about Rayner? Hoping the slur sticks? Why did you turn on her? Is it just because of what she said about the previous leader when he failed to respond well to that EHRC report?
