I don't doubt there will be a huge gulf in class, and I have everything crossed that KS can make the difference I'd like to see, exposing the Conservative party for what they've become.
I suspect that the former Director of Public Prosecutions is quite relishing, once this is all over, conducting what will essentially be a public inquiry with Boris in the dock
One can but hope, binners !
He was knighted because he's a man of the establishment with the added bonus that he's an arriviste, which appears to make the class system look like a meriticracy. I don't think Trevor Chinn gave him £50k without expecting a return on his investment. So far he's rejected UBI, supported the tories on Universal Credit and seems oddly reluctant to spend too much time revisiting the anti-Corbyn AS campaign. He's more electable because in no way is he a threat and blimey, Jess Phillips on the front bench?
Osborne is already talking about a new era of austerity for the employees to pay for this crisis and I doubt whether neo-liberal Labour will have many or any arguments against it.
Jenny Formby stands down; saves Starmer from booting her out.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52528829
Jumped before she was pushed. Hopefully the rest of the lefty PFJ rabble will be right behind her.
It’s been hilarious watching the faux outrage of the Corbynites since the world gave a collective shrug regarding everybody being horrid to poor Jeremy.
Starmer, along with everybody else, bar a small bunch of six formers (I’m sure they’ll be along shortly) really couldn’t give a flying ****, and would just clearly like to get on with returning the Labour Party to being an actual opposition
And let’s face it, the Corbynites are happy as Larry really because they get to feel a burning sense of injustice, no matter how manufactured, to be all indignant about in their Twitter echo chambers.
It’s all just, like... SOOOOOO NOT FAIR!
Still waiting for Career Starmer to pull in those Polls. Yikes!
As for PMQs - yeah the James O' Brien club are all over him with his 'scrutiny and clinical analysis' - yet all the passion of a Scrabble board. Even George Osborne is in love.
When you're opponent loves you then you are not really an opponent
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1256921405540753409
When's the bounce coming Binners? And what is your exist strategy?
The bounce isn’t coming, for obvious reasons. Blindingly obvious reasons. And I don’t mean Starmer’s lack of charisma for voters (which I still think will be a major problem long term), I mean the current health emergency. Have you heard of that? And I’m not making excuses for “my man”… I still consider Starmer someone who would make a great PM if he got the chance but does not have what it takes to ever win a general election… but I honestly don’t think anyone should expect a new leader of the opposition to get a bounce in these conditions.
When’s the next election? 4 and a half years away, isn’t it?
Politics isn’t happening at the moment. It’s on hold. For glaringly obvious reasons. But once we’re out the other side of this it’ll be back with a vengeance as the post-mortem begins, literally and metaphorically
I would expect that that’s when Starmers extensive legal experience comes into its own. Boris will know that too. He’s not going to be able to bluster his way past that, or swat him aside like he did with Jeremy ‘I’ll stand here and read the questions someone’s written for me’ Corbyn.
The days of zero effective scrutiny from the ‘opposition’ are over. But there’s a time for that scrutiny and it isn’t now.
When you’re opponent loves you then you are not really an opponent
Your beardy allotment-dwelling hero had no greater fans that the Tory party. Their ever-giving ‘get out of jail free’
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It’s been hilarious watching the faux outrage of the Corbynites since the world gave a collective shrug regarding everybody being horrid to poor Jeremy.
The ends justify the means. You don't really have anything else, do you?
Anything else?
Any word on how much paying off this cabal of Marxist Millionaires to **** off has cost union subs payers and party members?
What, with those gold-plated new contracts they wrote themselves a week before they delivered the worst labour defeat since the 1930’s?
Socialism in action eh, comrade?
Socialism in action eh, comrade?
You seem to have a specific view on what socialism should be. Things you agree with, mostly.
Socialism or not, those juicy new contracts were indefensible. Using their grip on the party to extract money from it.
100%
If you’ve been taken in by these shysters, which you clearly have, then you may want to analyse your critical faculties
Their last act, once they knew what was coming, because they delivered it, was to handsomely line their own pockets for their abject failure. With the money coming from Labour Party members and union members subs. Despite the fact that they were all millionaires anyway - including the beardy messiah.
A week later they were, without a shred of shame, handing out redundancy notices to Labour Party staff while they counted their cash.
All a bit Degsy Hatton and Militant, isn’t it? They’ve not changed. They’re all the *ing same! Leeches! At least the Tory’s are open about the fact they’re about to bend you over and go in dry.
Socialism?
Yeah, right. Do me a favour.... * off!
I can’t see Starmer being guilty of that kind of grifting. After all, he comes from a real working class background, rather than Corbyn who’s manufactured his own virtue-signalling, ‘working class’ myth that he’s successfully sold to the terminally gullible and hard of thinking.
After all: when you’ve got 6 zero’s on the end of your bank balance, despite delivering nothing only failure, it doesn’t really matter who’s in power, does it? You’ll always be just fine
****s!
Starmer seems genuine, skilled and an improvement.
But something's missing when Tories would rather face him than Piers Morgan, Leader of the Opposition.
We'll have to see how he steps up while Piers is off recovering.
https://twitter.com/iainjwatson/status/1257552460580900864
Not sure it's a change, but it's certainly an electable look.
When's the bounce coming? Before the next election.
CV will be forgotten, but the mountain of debt will not be forgotten. Or maybe it will be the other way round, people will think not enough was borrowed to deal with CV. Either way the Govt take the blame.
Now is a bad time to be in opposition, the run up to the next election will be a superb time to be in opposition. It's an impossible balance so the government *will* get it wrong, we just don't know which way they'll get it wrong.
What the hell is going on? A politician who can speak sense? Give a straight answer to questions? I'm confused.
Remember a little while back when the anti-Corbynites were wailing about them trying to get rid of Tom Watson?
https://twitter.com/tom_watson/status/1256302353394864129?s=20
And meanwhile we're back to the labour party being out-flanked on the left by the Lib Dems...
https://twitter.com/LaylaMoran/status/1257613741094580226?s=20
Tom Watson is retired, isn't he?
Anyway... the issue with the cabal's attempt to get rid of Tom Watson was the manner in which they did it. Or didn't do it, more to the point.
Jennie Formby conducted it, so it was done with the typical Corbynite manner of comical incompetence. They did it on the eve of the party conference which meant that they effectively wrote the Daily Mails headlines for them for the next week and totally eclipsed anything that any labour MP's then had to say regarding policy. And as the plot all went predictably tits up, due to the Larel and Hardy manner in which it was carried out, they denied Corbyns office knew anythign about it, which was clearly absolutely laughable but typically cowardly.
In short, they presented the Tory press with an open goal, while achieving nothing at all except once again shooting themselves in the foot by highlighting their own biblical ineptitude
*slow handclap*
He is, thank god. The point obviously was that the people who wanted to get rid of him (the 6th formers) were absolutely right. Anyway, I see Keir has set out his 7 point plan. I've already forgotten what it is, and while he plays at credible, realistic 'opposition', the lib dems are positioning themselves to take back the votes of all those young idealistic people who the labour party need. I have a pretty open mind on Keir, I did vote for him after all, but so far it looks very much like Blairism 2.0. At least the lib dems will be happy.
It looks nothing like “Blarism 2.0”… it doesn’t look like anything much yet at all… you just have a narrative you want to shoehorn in no matter what the party does over the next few years, and you are far from alone in that.
How can you possibly pass judgment when the country is in complete lockdown and politics has effectively ceased to function?
Sounds like you've already reached the conclusions you wanted to reach
you just have a narrative you want to shoehorn in no matter what the party does over the next few years
Not at all, quite the opposite in fact. I'm desperately looking for signs that he'll stick to his promises in the leadership election to not switch back to the tory-lite policies of new labour. It's early days, but it seems quite clear where this 'don't rock the boat' approach leads. There's a reason the tory press haven't felt the need to smear him as they did with Corbyn.
the lib dems are positioning themselves to take back the votes of all those young idealistic people who the labour party need.
So, the people who failed to get Grandad elected twice (by largely not bothering to actually go out and vote), including delivering the worst electoral drubbing in the parties history are now going to sweep the Lib Dems, a party that presently has 11 MPs, to victory at the next general election?
Erm... ok....
It’s early days, but it seems quite clear where this ‘don’t rock the boat’ approach leads.
3 consecutive Labour election victories?
Fair play. Great leadership.
That's the nice thing about ex-politicians. They can finally be honest and tell it straight.
They might not call it right, but at least you know they have no reason to lie.
Hence ex-politicians make good political pundits.
It’s early days, but it seems quite clear where this ‘don’t rock the boat’ approach leads.
3 consecutive Labour election victories?
😀
are now going to sweep the Lib Dems, a party that presently has 11 MPs, to victory at the next general election?
Don't be daft I never said that. It will however put enough of a dent in the labour vote to make it much more difficult for them to win back the seats they lost. The other significant impact is that those young members who put so much time into campaigning and supporting constituency offices will leave, especially if Keir fails to boot out the blairites who actively obstructed the party's campaign in 2017.
3 consecutive Labour election victories?
Or more likely a repeat of 2010 and 2015.
It will however put enough of a dent in the labour vote to make it much more difficult for them to win back the seats they lost.
So all the age-group who don't bother voting are going to lose the next election for the labour party by not bothering to vote Lib Dem, as opposed to their previous position of not bothering to vote labour?
Ok... I think I get it now.
The other significant impact is that those young members who put so much time into campaigning and supporting constituency offices will leave
That's a shame. They clearly did such a great job last time out that their skill set will be sorely missed
All the lib dems have ever done is put the tories in power. either directly or indirectly.
If you’ve been taken in by these shysters, which you clearly have, then you may want to analyse your critical faculties
I don't believe that I offered any comment on them. Perhaps you could break with tradition, and read something properly before putting finger to keyboard.
No, the issue is that your politics is no more sophisticated than "Jeremy = bad; people who oppose Jeremy = good".
I'm just glad that under SirKeir, all the problem antisemitism plaguing the Labour party has disappeared, and nobody has had to resign at politically embarasing moments over it!
all the problem antisemitism plaguing the Labour party has disappeared
Wonder why that is? 🙂
No, the issue is that your politics is no more sophisticated than “Jeremy = bad; people who oppose Jeremy = good”.
I'm not the sharpest tool in the box, but I can recognise a cabal of unelectable charlatans when I see one. Its not difficult.
The point is that I really, really want to see the Tory's booted out of power, and it was glaringly obvious to anyone with even a modicum of political nouse that that would never, ever happen with Magic Grandad at the helm, despite Theresa Mays very best efforts.
I have no idea whether Keir Starmer is the one who can deliver a Labour victory, before Boris and chums get to completely destroy the country - I certainly hope so - but I knew with absolute certainty, as did the vast majority of all but the hopelessly naive, that Jeremy Corbyn and the gang of chancers that surrounded him would never form a government.
So in that respect, ANYTHING is an improvement on the depressing endless Tory hegemony that Karl Marx's Garden Gnome delivered. 3-4 years too late, but better late than never
I’m not the sharpest tool in the box, but I can recognise a gang of unelectable charlatans when I see one.
That's pretty much what I was saying: that you object to people because of how you perceive them, rather than judging them by what they say and do. So when it became apparent that people within the party were prepared to deliberately damage its prospects in their efforts to remove Corbyn, that was ok because you don't like Corbyn. I think that some things are never ok.
that you object to people because of how you perceive them, rather than judging them by what they say and do
A) Eh? What on earth are you on about. The two things are the same. You perceive people and make a subsequent judgement on them exactly because of what they say and do. I do and so does everyone else on the planet. You'd be mental not too!
B) When the overwhelming majority of the electorate share my extremely low opinion of him - let's not forget he scored the lowest approval rating of any party leader in British political history - then it's a moot point. He's never going to be elected, so he is therefore pointless and his 'leadership' would inevitably deliver nothing other than permanent Tory rule
I think that some things are never ok.
Aaawwwww.... bless.
A) Eh? What on earth are you on about. The two things are the same. You perceive people and make a subsequent judgement on them exactly because of what they say and do. I do and so does everyone else on the planet. You’d be mental not too!
No, I don't think you do. I think you take an instant dislike to someone and then ignore anything that may contradict your view. It's classic cognitive dissonance.
He’s never going to be elected, so he is therefore pointless and his ‘leadership’ would inevitably deliver nothing other than permanent Tory rule
We get that you don't like the Tories but it's not clear why. It seems as tribal as your hatred of Corbyn.
Aaawwwww…. bless.
Yeah, knowing right from wrong is so old fashioned.
Don't know why you bother binners.
I happen to agree with an awful lot of "corbynite" policies, but the man was an awful leader, if you can call him that, carrying far too much baggage which made him too easy a target, and the kind of divisive attitude in his followers, particularly towards other members of the labour movement, that you can only be truly "left wing" if it was the corbynite left wing, All other flavours were traitors to the cause, the kind of cronies he surrounded himself with, Milne etc, and finally for me being a brexiter. Unforgivable as far as I'm concerned.
I’m just glad that under SirKeir, all the problem antisemitism plaguing the Labour party has disappeared
Not so. I'm sure Keir will stamp it out quickly (real or imagined) but it's still rumbling on - there was a story a few days ago about Dianne Abott [1]. I suspect the media have other things to talk about at the moment.
[1] https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/diane-abbott-s-platform-sharing-paradox
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Memberthere was a story a few days ago about Dianne Abott
There was, and it was ridiculous.
There was, and it was ridiculous.
I'm not saying it wasn't ridiculous, merely that it hasn't gone away.
Surprising then that Starmer is so keen to suppress the findings of the report on AS.
I'm not following as closely as I'd like - is he suppressing it?
That's disappointing.
No comment on PMQ's?
Starmer forensically took bumbling boris apart, which admittedly is not a hard task as anyone with basic competence could do that. Obviously boris didn't have his crowd to play to sat behind him.
A couple of things about Starmer, is he charismatic enough to be leader, some would say this is not a necessary quality, but they'd be wrong, hopefully he'll grow into it.
Also the 'sir' bit, some saying "they won't vote for a sir", some are corbynites, but others ironically voted tory.
I wonder how much life span Boris has as PM. While he was "good enough" to win an election, his competence during this crisis has put the tory party's backers plans in jeopardy. I would imagine that someone like Gove will be manoeuvred into position to see out the term of this Government.
Starmer forensically took bumbling boris apart,
It was like a 5 year old pulling the wings and legs off a fly.
Can't wait for Boris to get more of it.
