No, I’ve illustrated questions that the Dept of Health *will* have already worked out and we can pretty sure they aren’t sitting on a Panacea and they’ve forgotten to tell us and all it need is Keir to ask the right question.
I'm amazed that people seem happy to let the government blunder us out of lockdown the way they blundered us into it.
Proper scrutiny wasn't done at the start of this not doing it now doesn't help
As you saw Merkel can explain it, why can't our own government ?
They've been dishonest about this so far, on herd immunity , talking to supermarkets, PPE, care homes etc
Why aren't you worried they're doing the same with an exit strategy?
Daz – do you seriously think that the minor actions of a few people in the party hierarchy really made any significant impact on either election result?
Seriously?
Unrelated, directly, to Corbyn but yes, just look at Scotland and the "anyone but SNP" policy that had Labour supporting the Tories where it would/could deny SNP a seat.
That such self defeating shenanigans were happening elsewhere isn't a great leap of imagination.
I’m amazed that people seem happy to let the government blunder us out of lockdown the way they blundered us into it.
Without large scale antibody test, a vaccine, large scale antigen tests, large scale treatments every nation is blundering. The one advantage the UK has is we can look at the countries who are ahead of us as they relax their lockdowns.
We are bang in the middle of world death rates, we didn't push the NHS beyond breaking getting to the first peak.
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SubscriberDaz – do you seriously think that the minor actions of a few people in the party hierarchy really made any significant impact on either election result?
The actions of the party heirarchy in Scotland enabled Theresa May to form a government with the DUP. And they still say they had a good election...
aaaand starmers question have got some answers from government
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVvPWx8WsAAh14e?format=png
binners:
The best thing Kier Starmer can do is keep as quiet as possible until we’re safely out the other side of this, where I very much doubt the government are going to emerge with much credit.
I can’t help thinking ‘magic grandpa’, would have been ridiculed for such an approach.
Daz – do you seriously think that the minor actions of a few people in the party hierarchy really made any significant impact on either election result?
Seriously?
And that otherwise we’d have had a labour government and Grandad in number 10?
I’m afraid that that is so far into the realms of pure Fantasy as to be ludicrous
It's not, actually. JC outright winning the 2017 election is a fantasy (60+ seats off an overall majority IIRC) but that's not what's been said - that election resulted in a hung parliament and about 10 of those seats labour lost by the narrowest of margins, 10s - 100s of votes. They swing the other way on a coordinated labour campaign and it's the JC and Nicola show in a minority government.
So yeah it's all water under the bridge now, and the man on the street is supremely not arsed about Leftist whatsapp archaeology, but there's no question it did some real damage to the LP. I don't think it's anything KS will really need to deal with outwardly or from the media, but it's going to leave some deep, festering resentments within the LPL structure that need sorting out.
Festering resentments? That’s all those shower have done for the best part of 40 years now. That’s not news. It’s their raison’d’etre. And the reason nobody voted for their unique brand of peevish, joyless sanctimony
And, like I said... Grandad achieving the additional 60+ seats required for an overall majority was, and is fantasy of the most ridiculous sort.
It was never, ever going to happen. Even against the most inept campaigner in political history, bar himself. But... you know... nothing is his fault, is it? Not the sainted Jeremy?
Let’s point the finger at everybody else instead.
Same old, same old. Losing the 2017 election should have been the end of the Corbyn ‘project’ but here they still are, being a PITA and carrying on their mission to render the Labour Party as totally unelectable.
Starmer has more important things to sort out right now than placating Twitterstorms from the professionally outraged members of the PFJ.
It’s instructive to see what those people think is a priority at the moment. Says it all.
Blinkers are strong binbins. Almost a bunker mentality yourself.
Also
K E I R
Bunker mentality? Hmmmmmmm.
I’ve never had any time for the insular, endlessly petty, narrow, self-absorbed, pragmatism-free, pious parochialism of ‘the left’
Which they’ve spent the last few days demonstrating admirably. All trying to outdo each other on social media with how indignant they are, while in the real world, outside their shrieking, outraged little echo chamber, thousands of people die.
Typical
I have no time for the Labur left twitter echo chamber- I find it funny in the same way you do. BUT you are ignoring the wrong that the "grown-ups" in the party have done. Some of them should be out the bloody door. You couldn't wait to see the back of Seamus and co but you are happy to turn a blind eye to this lot.
So that was week two of new sensible meaninful opposition. A polite request to a rudderless and incompetent government if they wouldn't mind awfully letting us know what they intend to do release us all from house arrest, whilst almost nothing on the continuing crisis in hospitals and care homes where staff don't have the PPE they need, and people are being left to die on their own with no medical help. And a new review announced to investigate the previous investigation, because the results of that investigation didn't quite come out they way they hoped they would. Tricky stuff this opposition lark, and we were told it was all so easy.
whilst almost nothing on the continuing crisis in hospitals and care homes where staff don’t have the PPE they need
You’ve ignored all media appearances by the shadow health team then? If you’re only talking about the leader’s own appearances, then I agree with you.
Miliband has been chasing on his brief (help to companies) strongly as well.
Dodds on job retention schemes as well.
I could go on…
I was about to post links to media stories based on contributions from the shadow team… but just referring people to this page is less scattergun (quicker to scan than a load of radio and TV links with time cues as well):
https://labour.org.uk/category/latest/press-release/
Although, as I said, I’m not impressed with Starmer’s own efforts either.
Same old, same old. Losing the 2017 election should have been the end of the Corbyn ‘project’ but here they still are, being a PITA and carrying on their mission to render the Labour Party as totally unelectable.
You and JHB concur.
https://twitter.com/JuliaHB1/status/1251439200836124672
Not prepared to join the battle for the truth Binners?
I can’t believe I’m siding with that hateful women against a man I like and respect like McDonnell, but I am. He has more useful stuff he could be getting on with, surely? And I still don’t recognise his description of the content of the leaks, he’s just parroting one narrow, and I’m afraid I have to say ‘paranoid’, interpretation. It’s a story no one is really interested in right now, and is just a one sided view of a messy internal battle that can either be put to rest for now, or lead to permanent opposition, especially if the ‘other side’ start counter leaking. Why is he risking the damage to his party?
You couldn’t wait to see the back of Seamus and co but you are happy to turn a blind eye to this lot.
Well that was bound to happen.
I can’t believe I’m siding with that hateful women against a man I like and respect like McDonnell, but I am. He has more useful stuff he could be getting on with, surely?
You've got to hold people to account. Simple. Too much damge was caused by the press with the amplification of AS.
the amplification of AS
The layers of this one are a mess. If allies of ‘the left’ (who got me voting Labour) hadn’t fuelled that fire with antisemetic behaviour, then it couldn’t have been fanned, or amplified, by the media and their ‘enemies’ within the party. Both ‘sides’ behaved abysmally, and the options now are to move on, or destroy the party with tit for tat ‘revelations’. I had hoped McDonnell would pick the healing route, but perhaps those that claimed he only wanted to be king maker for leader of the party, rather than leader of the country, were right after all.
I expected Dazh & you, Rone, to jump on this, but I thought better of McDonnell.
A polite request to a rudderless and incompetent government if they wouldn’t mind awfully letting us know what they intend to do release us all from house arrest,
Starmers question gave us a more detailed response the following day than we've ever had about how lockdown could end
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1250818414735699969?s=19
More of that please
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1252242157198598145?s=19
I think there's a pattern forming 😉
Not prepared to join the battle for the truth Binners?
The truth? Sweet baby Jesus and the orphans? Because JHB says it, it can't possibly be true? Grow up! I suspect that she's voicing the opinions of an awful lot of people, the vast majority of the voting public in fact, who are more than happy that Magic Grandad and his motley assortment of Marxist incompetents are gone for good.
And anyway, all this 'report' appears to consist of is a lot of gossip and paranoid tittle-tattle from inside the bunker partially leaked to do as much damage as possible as they're hoofed back to the backbenches where they belong.
Nobody cares!
The Guardian was reporting that a lot of the people named in these leaks (which have arch-Corbynite Jennie Formby's fingerprints all over them) are now taking legal action for libel and it looks like the final act of the Corbynites will be to bankrupt the party, paying out damages and legal fees. So it looks like this particular hatchet job is proving as well-judged and successful as their last attempted drive-by shooting on Tom Watson
How typically self-indulgent of them, as they continue to do Tory Central Offices work for them, as always.
A good job this is an opportune moment for such nonsense, with not much important going on
Oh... I just had a pop onto Twitter to see what the latest tin-foil helmet lunacy is from the lefty headbangers, and who'd have guessed it...
The country hasn't just given a collective shrug, because we're all a bit busy with other stuff at the moment and nobody actually gives a toss about what Corbyn and his weird cult members have to say...
Oh no. That would be too logical. Too easy.
Apparently the #LabourLeaks report is being deliberately suppressed, and guess who's involved?
The Israeli's!!
...obviously 😂
No wonder Starmer is concentrating on the day job and not even acknowledging this puerile, paranoid, sixth-form level, delusional nonsense
They really are absolutely mental! Completely hatstand, the lot of them
if they wouldn’t mind awfully letting us know what they intend to do release us all from house arrest
That's the sort of thing an American would write on a placard and hold it while swearing at a nurse in the street.
Starmer should be keeping his head down, getting the Labour house in order and occasionally poking the govt for inaction.
Then emerging from the ashes to really put up a credible opposition.
The Poll above doesn't take into account that now is not the time for politicking. All the lower house should be working towards a common goal. There will be time to throw rotten veg at each other in the future
Very excited about Starmer's first PMQs. I'm expecting big things, and a demonstration of what real opposition looks like in the serious world of not rocking the boat in case we upset the other side.
Totally hatstand.
You don't think student nurses working on the front line should have their debts written off?
They shouldn’t be charged the fees in the first place, so yes, they should have those debts cancelled.
I think Starmer should have waited for Johnson’s return before doing any dispatch box stuff. Nandy or Rayner should be handling Raab.
I take it back! He’s taking Raab’s responses apart.
Nice to see a labour leader who looks up instead of just standing staring at his notes and reading the questions he’s had written for him, then actually being sharp enough to think on his feet in response to Raabs half-arsed answers.
What are the six formers going to do without their shouty, ten second Twitter clip though?
actually being sharp enough to think on his feet in response to Raabs half-arsed answers
9/10
A strong first appearance.
[as an aside - found myself cheering at Ian Blackford’s questions]
Even I could kick a ball into an open goal 9 times out of 10 so lets not get carried away.
Well, perhaps even you would be better at PMQs than the previous leader then.
The main problem with his predecessor was that when presented with an open goal, which he regularly was, you knew that 9 times out of 10 the ball would end up in Row Z
Nice to see someone capable of doing more than just reading what's been written on the piece of paper in front of him. Corbyn even struggled with that.
All a bit of a phoney war at the moment though, isn't it? PMQs in that format was a bit odd, we're in the middle of a national emergency which requires treading carefully and its Patrick Bateman standing in for Joris.
Who cares about the previous leader? I'm more interested in this one, and so far I've seen little actual opposition. Lets hope today is a turning point. Even Alastair Campbell agrees.
I’m more interested in this one, and so far I’ve seen little actual opposition.
Well, there's been none whatsoever for the last four years so think of it as a period of adjustment.
I thought he did well in highlighting the yawning chasm between what the government promised (100,000 tests a day) and what's being delivered (18,000 tests a day). Raab looked, as he has done at the press conferences, like a rabbit in the headlights and certainly didn't have satisfactory answers to any questions
Raab claiming that it was ‘lack of demand’ for tests that was limiting how many were being performed was another low point for him. He can’t slide that kind of nonsense past Starmer.
The truth? Sweet baby Jesus and the orphans? Because JHB says it, it can’t possibly be true? Grow up!
Oh do leave off. You'd be jumping all over her if she'd said something in defence of Corbyn. The idea of admitting that the facts don't entirely support your opinions is obviously too much to bear.
Anyway, Starmer. I thought he did ok but no more than that. I actually agree with Campbell of all people.
You’d be jumping all over her if she’d said something in defence of Corbyn.
Pfft! Get real! The chances of that happening are about the same as finding a load of the Beardy Messiahs fan club now quoting Alastair Campbell
Oh....erm.....
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Pfft! Get real! The chances of that happening are about the same as finding a load of the Beardy Messiahs fan club now quoting Alastair Campbell
Oh, I agree absolutely: JHB is as myopic as you.
p.s. if you really think that I'm in the Corbyn fan club, I think that says more about the relative position of the observer 😉
I think Bojo's team will be dreading him coming back for pmqs. His shtick is not suited to this crisis.
Raab was nervous, Starmer seemed comfortable.
"I put the minister on notice that I will ask the same question next week"
Was a boss move! Run along Raab and do as your told 😉
I think Bojo’s team will be dreading him coming back for pmqs.
If he comes back. He's got a cast-iron excuse to absolve himself of this nightmare. By all accounts manoevres are already underway to put Gove in his place.
'Manor House' is not a proper noun but 'Labour Party' is. Just sayin
Johnson has always been a poor performer in the commons (Life?)
Looking forward to seeing him opposite Starmer tbh. Think there’ll be a gulf in class.
