[Closed] Should Theresa May resign?

[quote=richmtb ]The SNP had a poor night, they need to consider their message around if / when another 2nd referendum would happen but they are still the dominant party in Scotland

Relative to last time they had a poor night. In absolute terms they had a superb night, the only party to win a majority of the seats they contested. Back to the drawing board for indyref2 probably - but I still think the threat of that was simply a negotiating tactic, NS knew all too well it still had insufficient support.

You could easily say that the scale of the Tory win is down to the SNP pushing indyrep2 and people voting the Tories in in previously Labour seats in opposition.

On the back of that result, Nicola Sturgeon should wind her neck in.

May should definitely go, owing to the fact that she has shown her true form: weak, misguided, erratic, vapid and unable to engage in debate. Best outcome would be to revoke Article 50 and just get things back to normal.

I can't see how she can stay but seems she's going to try. She's put herself in an incredibly weak position, the only positive from her perspective is the rest of the potential Tory leaders are likely to be even more unpopular.

we could only revoke article 50 if all the other EU member states agreed.

You could easily say that the scale of the Tory win is down to the SNP pushing indyrep2 and people voting the Tories in in previously Labour seats in opposition.

Well a little maybe, but the numbers don't really bear that out.

The Tories were always going to win the 3 seats in the Scottish borders.

Of the other 10 Seat they gained Labour could realistically only picked up one of them (East Ren)

So assuming that Tories would be on 309, Lab on 262 and SNP on 44

It would make forming a government more difficult for the Tories but wouldn't really help Labour

SNP vote share in Scotland is alot less than Tories (or Labour) in UK, only 36.9%

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The country have decided that no Prime Minister is better than a bad Prime Minister

we could only revoke article 50 if all the other EU member states agreed.

I'm 99% sure that's not true at all.

So assuming that Tories would be on 309, Lab on 262 and SNP on 44

It would make forming a government more difficult for the Tories but wouldn't really help Labour

Independence is off the radar tho

Trying to paint that as a disaster or loss for them is really a sign of what you hope for not what they hope for

BBC News - 'It is the right thing that she [TM] tries to do her constitutional duty'
What's this? Some sort of formal dump at Buckingham Palace?

mefty - Member

SNP vote share in Scotland is alot less than Tories (or Labour) in UK, only 36.9%

thats 'cos its a 4 party system here not 2 and a bit

Just to point out again. the SNP have a clear majority of the westminster seats, control of holyrood and took gains in the local elections. Hardly a total bust

Hope she stays, she will be great cannon fodder for the next General Election when it comes.

Strong and stable leadership.

Let the tories get on with all the behind the scenes plotting to get rid of her, it will happen.

Weaker brexit now because of the strong and stable leadership that the country wanted.

If she stays , then the tory squabbling will be entertaining, I don't care who leads them really. Just want a change of government.

Looks like there will be another general election relatively soon, softer brexit that alot of people don't want ( I'm a remoaner).

Should Theresa May resign?

Of course not silly goose. 😆

She should stay as long as she can.

Why should she worry about the opposition since she is in the govt.

Thick skin is the sign of politician so she doing well.

I shall support her again and again. 😆

Oh ya ... I am going to myself a bottle of brandy cognac. 😛

Don't forget your revolver!

Just to point out again. the SNP have a clear majority of the westminster seats, control of holyrood and took gains in the local elections. Hardly a total bust

But you are judged on relative performance, hence May's problems, Sturgeon has lost majority in Holyrood, 40% of her Westminster seats and 13% of her vote share.

To compare the SNP result with May is silly Mays problem is she just swapped a majority for a minority [ and from a point of perceived unassailable lead ] did the SNP?

The SNP could not hold the historically high [ and unprecedented] result they achieved last time and they still have support the likes of which the other parties can dream about and an actual real majority of Mps in their country.

To compare their result to May holding a voluntary election to get a stronger mandate and losing what she had is daft.

I shall support her again and again

unless you move to maidenhead or she appears on strictly theres not much chance of you getting to vote for her again
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Sturgeon has lost majority in Holyrood

The Holyrood system was designed to ensure the SNP should never have been able to achieve a majority, so that's not really a surprise.

Theresa May: the Butcher of Border Force, who in one of her previous ministerial jobs 'arranged' for over 30% of the staff to leave the organisation.
Now that the agency has limited resources and even more limited experienced staff, she wonders why the UK has an immigration problem and struggles to keep track of migrants, dangerous goods, people traffickers.... Utterly incompetent in everything she has done and dangerous to boot.
Off on a tangent but still very relevant to a totally ****ed up country:
Anyone been watching 'Broken'..?

To compare the SNP result with May is silly Mays problem is she just swapped a majority for a minority [ and from a point of perceived unassailable lead ] did the SNP?

I wasn't - but there has been a major shift in Scotland against the SNP, Unionist parties got over 60% of the vote - that is a lot worse than the Independence referendum, which they lost. Whichever way you cut it, that is a bad result for the SNP.

Theresa May's media patrons are extremely upset with her, judging by reports of Murdoch storming out of a party upon learning of the exit polls and the scathing assessment from the Daily Heil.

May will be having some uncomfortable meetings with the 1922 committee very soon, I've no doubt.

PM May got guts.

Now she can stand firm and fight her corner.

Anyone now want to talk about her inherited power? No? Yes?

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Too many threads to keep up with

Sturgeon and the SNP had nowhere to go other than down. As such her result isn't so much of a surprise, just a bit worse than expected. No need to quit over that.

As I said before if May goes it will be Boris or David Davies in all likelihood so be careful what yoy wish for

PM I imagine media bods aren't happy as the manifesto's commitment to repeal section 40 and no Levenson 2 are now worthless. I am delighted about that.

If the Tories really wanted to piss Labour off then the best thing they could do is leave May as PM and carry on as if nothing had happened for as long as possible.

Brexit Negotiations are now really dofficult. It was always tricky us trying to deal worh 27 voices and now the EU is staring at a similar issue. No doubt the EU wants a delay as more status quo equals more £££ for them. It is not at all clear it would go that way. A stabd off is if anything more likely

As I said before if May goes it will be Boris or David Davies in all likelihood so be careful what yoy wish for

I sincerely hope that your track record for accuracy is consistent here.

@epic thats fhe most likely outcome in the medium term

I said before if May goes it will be Boris or David Davies in all likelihood so be careful what yoy wish for

Glad you finally spoke about about levesson** shame you did not criticise it pre election.

* though you have reduced the list somewhat
** being in hacked off is possibly the only political thing we have in common

A stabd off is if anything more likely

That I'd pay good money to watch.

Cougar been right about most things the 4 years I have been here. This election is the first one I have got wrong. If you trawl back you'll see I repeatedly posted that an early election would be a mistake, a risk not worth taking

[quote=epicsteve ]If the Tories really wanted to piss Labour off then the best thing they could do is leave May as PM and carry on as if nothing had happened for as long as possible.
yes having an inept leader in charge ho the public dont like who has no charisma or charm is indeed the best way to get at labour and far more effective than having a decent leader in charge - Where is stoner at least he was RW with a brain.

You are trying so hard to annoy lefties with your childish barbs/insights that you are prepared too shoot yoursel fin the foot over and over again thinking it annoys us

Carry on keep her I absolutely adore her remaining she is ****ing brilliant

STOP AND THINK

If you trawl back you'll see I repeatedly posted that an early election would be a mistake, a risk not worth taking

If that is what it takes for you to think you always call it correctly then well done Trump would be proud of you

yes having an inept leader in charge ho the public dont like who has no charisma or charm is indeed the best way to get at labour and far more effective than having a decent leader in charge

I'm not suggesting it's the right thing to do - just that politics appears to have descended to that level so it could well happen. It's not as if there are any standout Tory replacements either.

You are trying so hard to annoy lefties with your childish barbs/insights that you are prepared too shoot yoursel fin the foot over and over again thinking it annoys us

I think you're confusing me with someone else BTW - I voted for a socialist party.

Cougar been right about most things the 4 years I have been here. This election is the first one I have got wrong. If you trawl back you'll see I repeatedly posted that an early election would be a mistake, a risk not worth taking

Seeing that you require your very own #jambafact I don't think you are in a position to tell anyone about the accuracy of what you say.

Throw enough shit and some of it sticks eh...

jambalaya - Member
Cougar been right about most things the 4 years I have been here. This election is the first one I have got wrong. If you trawl back you'll see I repeatedly posted that an early election would be a mistake, a risk not worth taking

PM May had no choice because if she did not call for election then she would be seen as weak. If she called for election she risk losing the majority because it was too close after the referendum. The opposition wind up is still fresh ...

PM May is doing the right thing because she needs to negotiate with EU bureaucrats.

She got guts to fight her own corner rather than being blamed for inheriting power.

Basically, the country is now starting from "new" with Brexit.

PM May is strong. 😛

@ jamby here is your first post on the May election thread have it as an aide memoir. Its not quite how you remember it as you called her actions a blinder

Just read through the 8 pages, some real jems. This one below sums it up for me.

So 7 weeks of political comment in the media by the commentators who got it so wrong last year?
Joy

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May will stand on a "hard Brexit" manifesto including WTO if necessary. She will add a commitment to keep employment protections as they are (ie at the "EU" level), minimum wage/living wage commitments. Election / manifesto means Tory soft-Brexit rebels are neutered

Tories to win by 100+ seats and of course extend their term in Government to 2022. As noted earlier this gives them more time post Brexit to secure new trade deals outside the EU putting them in the best possible position in 2022.

Not what I would have done but I can see the logic, May is playing a blinder.

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http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/is-may-about-to-call-an-election/page/8#post-8419043

Cougar been right about most things the 4 years I have been here. This election is the first one I have got wrong. If you trawl back you'll see I repeatedly posted that an early election would be a mistake, a risk not worth taking

The nature of web forums is that your posting history is there for all to see.

@chewkw, you regularly post stuff that's utterly batshit insane, but this time you seem to be utterly ignorant of the way British politics works. If you want proof, go and pick up copies of today's Sun and Daily Mail. You can't miss them, they're called "newspapers" and right up until 21:59 last night they were strong supporters of Theresa May.

You also need to read up on the significance of the 1922 Committee.

PJM1974 - Member
@chewkw, you regularly post stuff that's utterly batshit insane, but this time you seem to be utterly ignorant of the way British politics works.

You want to govern then win the election. Simple. 😛

You part of the 22 committee? Guess not. 😆

It is politics it's Conservatives party in power so what is your involvement?

You want to govern then win the election. Simple.

You part of the 22 committee? Guess not.

None of that made any sense at all. But I'm gratified that your posting nonsense appears to please you. I think you've earned a biscuit.

Another election in the short term is unlikely. The Conservatives know that May is an electoral liability and that they need to have a new leader in place getting favourable polls before they can call another election.

I think an even bigger concern for the Conservatives is the fact that many voters who in this election considered that a vote for Corbyn/Labour was a wasted vote and so voted Lib Dem, Green or other, may now see Corbyn as a genuine contender and Labour as potential winners next time, and be prepared to vote for them: sucess breeds success and Labour and Corbyn now have momentum (pun intended).

So I think Conservatives would fear an even worse result if they go to the polls again quickly. Their problem is that the longer they try to govern with a minority, the more likely it is that they will suffer defeats in Parliament which lead to them being seen as weak and unfit for office, in the same way that the Labour minority government experienced prior to the Conservative victory in 1979.

Why and how has Arlene Foster been allowed to escape prosecution for her alleged involvement in the RHI scam that lost millions of taxpayers money?

I'm really struggling with the hypocrisy and bigotry (for want of better words) of things here.

Slowster has nailed it.

It's an extremely uncomfortable position for the Conservatives, there is likely to be in-fighting, especially as the right-wing coup of the party post referendum is reeling. The sensible option would be for a young, populist candidate to try and seek out the political middle ground. While Boris, Fox and Davis could be contenders for any leadership challenge, they would inherit a mess that could consign the party to the electoral doldrums in 2022 - or sooner if the DUP alliance proves unworkable. The headlines in the hitherto pro-May press said it all. They don't blame a resurgent centre left, they blame the person who called this election in the first place.

must have missed Slowsters post... thanks for that.

But doesn't that mean the country and the people have to put up with more uncertainty and pain whilst we wait patiently for all this to unravel.

I think our laughing stock of a PM being propped up by the deplorable DUP is absolutely wonderful for the Tories
May now looks craven and clueless

speaking of clueless.... David Davis will no doubt follow up his stellar insistence on an early GE with equally successful EU negotiating tactics

It was always going to be tough riding out Brexit with an actual majority, what is it 740 odd treaties to negotiate ???

between piss-up in a brewery Davis and her weak & wobbliness of our mandateless PM its going to be a highly amusing shitshow

Record number of openly gay MPs elected as well- 45!

...aaaand Theresa May has just run into the arms of gay-hating DUP 😯

PM promises to provide "certainty".

GLWT Theresa.

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Arlene Foster turning up for negotiations with May.
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May is playing a blinder

Gleaming JY.

careful though , its so bright it literally dulls your memory 😉

The replacement leader candidates are (in order of likelihood)

Boris Johnston
David Davies
Amber Rudd
Andrea Leadsom

For those asking for May's resignation you should bear this in mind

Such a shame IDS is not still a front bencher as he's the only I have any confidence in to become Tory leader.

Such a shame IDS is not still a front bencher as he's the only I have any confidence in to become Tory leader.

He was excellent last time he had a go.

But doesn't that mean the country and the people have to put up with more uncertainty and pain whilst we wait patiently for all this to unravel.

tuskaloosa, it helps if you can maintain a sense of uninvolved detachment and regard politics as entertainment rather than being about policies and principles.

I expect that many Labour MPs - and indeed many voters - who dismissed Corbyn, will now strongly support him because they now believe he is a potential winner. The Conservatives, and May especially, are now on the back foot. The question is whether Corbyn and his front bench can keep them there. Put simply, regardless of his policies, can Corbyn put the boot in at PMQs etc.: does he have the political skills and killer instinct that a PM needs, regardless of their political persuasion? If he does, I suspect even the most Blairite MP will be cheering him on, because winning is what matters. If the Conservatives scent defeat, then they will start to squabble and back bite, which will only make things worse for them.

Trouble is TM is going to limp on then be scapegoated further down the line.

The cluster**** that is about to ensue will be memorable.

[quote=Cougar ]

we could only revoke article 50 if all the other EU member states agreed.

1%. There appears to be no mechanism to revoke A50 which doesn't involve the agreement of all 27. Though I suppose officially there isn't a mechanism to revoke it at all.

We're into realpolitik here though - as I've posted numerous times, if we want to do something which is clearly to the benefit of the EU (which revoking A50 is) then a way will be found, even if that does involve getting all 27 to agree.

Such a shame IDS is not still a front bencher as he's the only I have any confidence in to become Tory leader.

There is no mechanism to revoke A50, that and the 2 year negotiation process was setup by the EU to intimidate people thinking of leaving. Until the Lisbon Treaty there wasn't even a process but they realised that was too risky.

The result of the election has made a hard Brexit more likely and guaranteed the negotiations will be a dogs breakfast with the possibility of another election before 2019 highly probable.

Except the guy who wrote article 50 says that it CAN be revoked .

Of course it could be.

Don't hold your breath though.

I am not , but moved to France a few weeks ago .

Nope not at all.

Its all very nice to believe in a money tree but thank god we won't have to expect it to all be true.

There is no mechanism to revoke A50

Ahh jambafact

http://metro.co.uk/2017/03/29/theres-still-a-way-article-50-could-be-revoked-6541837/

Well to be fair, it's a statement of fact. As I wrote earlier:

[quote=aracer ]Though I suppose officially there isn't a mechanism to revoke it at all.

Though I then continued:

We're into realpolitik here though - as I've posted numerous times, if we want to do something which is clearly to the benefit of the EU (which revoking A50 is) then a way will be found, even if that does involve getting all 27 to agree.

Back OT, probably she should resign.
It would be the honourable thing to do in the circumstances - which is why I don't expect that she will.

The liklihood of Brexit ever being completed has significantly reduced as a result of the election outcome. This was always the danger if there was a general election before negotiations were completed. As it is, it now looks likely that there will be yet another GE before the negotiations are completed.

The longer it goes on, the more the political landscape and public sentiment moves on from the time of the referendum, and the more the actual practicalities of Brexit become clear (especially the extent to which various groups will lose out), the harder it will be to complete the deal.

If the deal that is negotiated is itself put to the country in a referendum, then it's dead. Slogans like 'Take Back Control' and 'Let's spend £350M a week on the the NHS instead' will be replaced by a referendum dominated by hard numbers and actual costings, and the resulting impact on peoples' pockets and lives. If people stand to lose out in even a minor way, they will vote against the deal and they will not give a damn about immigration or 'control'.

The irony of this is that one of the chief proponents of Brexit, David Davis, apparently persuaded May to call an election against her own judgement. He may just have derailled Brexit.

Back OT, probably she should resign.
It would be the honourable thing to do in the circumstances - which is why I don't expect that she will.

She's a lame duck now and she would probably like to resign immediately like Cameron. She knows that she will not lead the Conservatives into the next election, and the only question is who is going to replace her. I suspect it's loyalty to her party and some of her colleagues that is compelling her to stick it out and go through the motions of what is likely to be an unpleasant remaining time as leader, giving the party a breathing space to take stock and then organise a leadership contest.

She is going to get a kicking from her MPs, PMQs will probably be a wretched experience as Labour enjoy a revival and boosted morale, and the press will tear her apart, as it always does when it scents weakness in any politician and the chance to take a big scalp. Any meetings which she attends with EU and other European leaders to discuss Brexit will be humiliating for her, because no one will be interested in what she wants or thinks: they will probably listen to her politely and then just ignore her.

Her remaining months as leader and PM will probably be a miserable experience, and she will probably want it over as soon as possible.

Wondering, if the power of the Sun and the Mail is weakening because younger none newspaper readers are coming out of the shadows.

Does it matter that the BBC, the Sun, Mail etc neglect to mention the history of the DUP. Plenty of comments on social networks. The obvious hypocrisy of attacking Corbyn and then getting into bed with anti gay, anti abortion, terrorists won't be lost on many of the electorate.

Could this just be another nail in the conservative coffin? I don't know how valid the numbers are but some i have seen have under 45ish the majority voted Labour, and once you get down to 20ish the vast majority. It is the much older cohorts that vote Tory, the ones who bluntly are dying off.

And just to add more wood to the fire, came across something on Twitter, no verification so someone would need to read the good friday agreement. It does make sense though.

The UK and Republic are both expected to be neutral, to not take sides, to not be seen to interfere in the provinces power balance.

By siding with the DUP the Tory party has effectively torn up the GF agreement and are no longer neutral.

jambalaya - Member

A stabd off is if anything more likely

That's the traditional way to settle tory leadership issues

I'm amazed that Tory supporters aren't absolutely livid now, Teresa May is delusional, I mean Nick Clegg has shown more contrition in the last few hours

IMO Yes, teaming up with the DUP is such a back word step, it like a last clutch onto her position by jumping in bed with a party which has quite extreme views on peoples rights for a party of modern times.
Plus there is a bit of double standards there with the whole Corbyn and his IRA mates, she was quick to team up with a party which have/had connections to the UR to stay ahead.

Jonnyboi oh I think they are livid, small but workable majority turned into a shaky minority government. May is finished its just a matter of when, Boris, Davies, Rudd are all circling. She won't be allowed to lead the party into another election which is probably 1 or 2 years at most away.

EU's negotiating stance was to try and string things out with the "Brexit Bill" conversation but thats totally dead now. Tories will never agree any figure as they know thats an election loser so decent chance nothing is agreed before another eelction and A50 hard exit is then just (say) 6-12 months away.

Breaking my code of not taking part in political threads...

Her eyes give away her fear and doubt. It wasn't there before the result.

Shitbag...

Is it true this coalition contravenes the Good Friday agreement?

I don't think the following will be forgotten by the younger voters soon..

Most realise the murdoch factor and don't pay any attention whatsoever to purile tabloids.

May: "don't vote Labour. You'll get a coalition! With a terrorist sympathiser!" Also May: *goes into coalition with terrorist sympathisers*

Major sh1t storm if it does....

Is it true this coalition contravenes the Good Friday agreement?

Does it matter that the BBC, the Sun, Mail etc neglect to mention the history of the DUP. Plenty of comments on social networks. The obvious hypocrisy of attacking Corbyn and then getting into bed with anti gay, anti abortion, terrorists won't be lost on many of the electorate.

Completely agree, I don't think the Tories understand just how much damage their alliance with the DUP is going to do to their paper thin credibility with younger voters

By siding with the DUP the Tory party has effectively torn up the GF agreement and are no longer neutral.

Yes absolutely, it won't just be the reputation of the Tories that is damaged by this,