Lee Anderson has supported those ****s for years, anyone that voted 30p lee into office is also a ****.
Lee Anderson MP hanging around with neo-nazis? It's so hard to believe!
Sunak getting desperate
He's alienating donors too
https://twitter.com/Sime0nStylites/status/1625010449371496451?t=4Jkrcamo_xUZWT3nnEpzEA&s=19
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How ironic that his name should be Anderson.
Also ironic that as part of the LGBT community Anderson should be quitting the Tory Party after almost 40 years just when they have the diverse cabinet ever.
I wonder how he managed to stay in the Tory Party after Thatcher introduced Section 28 and why culture wars meant so little to him then?
It does confirm that the whole Culture War thing is literally all they've got.
It's been obvious for some time that any election campaign will be based firmly on this
I honestly think that Lee Andersons comments on the death penalty are a spot of kite-flying to see what the response was from the public.
Would anyone be genuinely surprised if this lot did what Dave did when running scared from the Faragists, and promise a referendum on the reintroduction of capital punishment if they win an election? To me it just seems the next logical progression to where the Tory Party has been headed for the last 6-7 years, and nothing would surprise me in this banana republic of a country any more
Yeah, the Tories are going full on Republican aren't they?
I think it's going to be a really nasty general election with the Tories resorting to whatever means necessary to attempt to cling to power. I wouldn't be surprised at all if we see some form of violence. Either MP's getting attacked or violent clashes between protesters on the streets.
As happens so often, where America goes, the UK England follows.
Yeah, the Tories are going full on Republican aren’t they?
It won't work. UKIP already tried that and failed miserably. Why the tories would want to emulate their electoral 'success' I have no idea, but they're definitely heading in the direction of having no MPs just like UKIP.
I saw a graphic a while back (no idea if its true, I don't know how you would verify it) that the current Conservative part had implemented the entire 1970s National front manifesto except capital punishment. Looks like they are going for a full house.
Think of UKIP being like the Tea Party Movement... using any and all means to get their way out of a two party system... and those that were once called UKIP have arguably been even more successful here than those that were in the USA movement.
Yeah, the Tories are going full on Republican aren’t they?
Thats actually a really good analogy. The Republican Party was essentially hijacked then colonised by the Tea Party lot meaning that a minority fringe of nutters ended up wielding a completely disproportionate level of influence within the party when it came to setting policy.
The result of that was Trump and the party becoming a cult of tinfoil-hat-wearing, conspiracy-theory-believing nutjobs who refute all evidence that doesn't suit their insane worldview.
Exactly the same has happened to the Tory Party under the opportunism of the bargain basement Trump that is Johnson and the increasingly hysterical narrative about the blasphemy of 'Brexit Betrayal'
Whats obvious at this stage is that Sunak is just as much a hostage to the headbangers as his predecessors, but in an even weaker position as he has no mandate and he's tanking in the polls. Unfortunately, the only answer the Tory party sees is too gallop off into the realms of far right fantasy and nonsense like bringing back the death penalty
Klunk
do find it odd that the Lib dem share is decreasing….
We just had a local council bi-election in our ward (not sure how many others there were) and the Lib Dems have just nicked it from the Cons. This is in a very affluent area of Cheltenham that would normally vote for anything with a blue rosette on it.
It's probably an outlier as Cheltenham was a Lib Dem town for a good while so there's definite history here but it does suggest that the Libs may do better than the polls suggest in areas where going full Labour might be a stretch for disillusioned Tory voters.
National polling... not great at picking up pockets of support. There will be seats ready to swap from Conservative to LibDem... having a smaller national share of the vote but a greater number of MPs at the next election is very likely. I'd put money on them doubling their seat count without any upswell in national vote share (or national polling) at all.
I saw a graphic a while back (no idea if its true, I don’t know how you would verify it) that the current Conservative part had implemented the entire 1970s National front manifesto except capital punishment. Looks like they are going for a full house.
Eh? Of course it isn't true!
The cornerstone of the Front's manifesto since 1974 has been the compulsory deportation of all non-white immigrants and their descendants, as well as the white British partners in mixed-race relationships. It stated that the "repatriation" process could take ten years, adding that before deportation, non-whites would be stripped of British citizenship and placed behind white Britons when it came to access to welfare, education and housing.
I think some people might have forgotten just how racist and Nazi the NF were. The idea that they would be happy with a brown Prime Minister called Rishi Sunak and a brown Home Secretary plus countless other brown and black UK government ministers is laughable.
NF= No Freedom
NF= No Future
NF= No Fun
From my Anti-Nazi League & RAR days
Edit: Can I just point out that it was primarily the Anti-Nazi League and Rock Against Racism that destroyed what had been the NF's growing influence among young people.
Never underestimate the power of a mass movement engaged in a fightback or struggle.
Rock Against Racism
They'd be called the woke liberal elite who "should stick to music" these days. Actually... much the same accusations were thrown at them... just using different labels.
Some reading for the young uns...
Anyway, some chatter on NF 1970s campaign material...
https://thatchercrisisyears.com/2015/02/12/1970s-national-front-manifesto/
They’d be called the woke liberal elite who “should stick to music” these days. Actually… much the same accusations were thrown at them… just using different labels.
Nonsense. Rock Against Racism didn't represent a bunch of self-righteous intellectuals alienating people further by accusing them of being racist at every opportunity and sowing divisions, whilst pointing out which was the latest terminology imported from the United States that the Guardian columnists had decided was acceptable to use.
Rock Against Racism focused on bringing black and white people together through music, whilst exposing the NF as Nazis who had nothing to offer anyone.
They were totally successful in their aims without the words political correctness and woke ever being used.
Instead of further divisions they brought unity.
Music unites because people enjoying music together and having fun feel a natural affiliation and sense of wellbeing towards each other - words aren't necessary, beyond lyrics!
The result of that was Trump and the party becoming a cult of tinfoil-hat-wearing, conspiracy-theory-believing nutjobs who refute all evidence that doesn’t suit their insane worldview.
Exactly the same has happened to the Tory Party under the opportunism of the bargain basement Trump that is Johnson and the increasingly hysterical narrative about the blasphemy of ‘Brexit Betrayal’
And voter suppression.
a bunch of self-righteous intellectuals alienating people further by accusing them of being racist at every opportunity and sowing divisions, whilst pointing out which was the latest terminology imported from the United States that the Guardian columnists had decided was acceptable to use.
er. parklife? 🙂
Rock Against Racism
We have to thank the backlash to Clapton for that.
Shitty rapist racist addict he's been.
Some good comes out of everyone.
Would anyone be genuinely surprised if this lot did what Dave did when running scared from the Faragists, and promise a referendum on the reintroduction of capital punishment if they win an election?
Been predicting this for years, once Brexit Got Done (sic) they needed another flagshaggers 'dream'.
Rock Against Racism
They’d be called the woke liberal elite who “should stick to music” these days.
a bunch of self-righteous intellectuals alienating people further by accusing them of being racist
I often wonder how a meeting between our current day selves and our much younger selves would play out.
The Clash were intellectuals, and they were righteous, and conscientious, that's for sure.
a bunch of self-righteous intellectuals alienating people further by accusing them of being racist at every opportunity and sowing divisions,
I love the fact that this is the same trope as used by Jambourgie
it was nonsense when he said it and its still nonsense now
Rock Against Racism
We have to thank the backlash to Clapton for that.
Shitty rapist racist addict he’s been.
Some good comes out of everyone.
Yup, very much agree.
it was nonsense when he said it and its still nonsense now
It is total nonsense to claim that political correctness defeated the NF, it didn't.
It was by exposing the NF for what they were - neo-Nazis, and how their message of hate and division had nothing to offer and provided no future.
The music united people and their different cultures.
Political correctness, which both distorts the issues and further alienates played no part, thank heavens.
Political correctness, which both distorts the issues and further alienates played no part, thank heavens.
Ok boomer.
You’ll note that only you have brought up the label “Political Correctness”. No idea why.
So it was all down to Billy Bragg then?
He didn’t even need to use words. Famously taciturn.
So getting back to the point, comparing the Tory Party today with the NF of the 1970s - a neo-nazi party whose members idolised Adolph Hitler, is ridiculous nonsense.
And it is these sort of ridiculous and false claims which makes the real struggle against racism so much harder and actually plays into the hands of the Tories.
Why should people listen to legitimate criticism of the racist nature of the Shamima Begum case, for example, when so much nonsense is talked and such wild accusations are constantly made?
Comparing the campaigning slogans isn’t ridiculous though, is it.
Scaremongering about “floods” and “invasions” of immigrants, and blaming them for the woes of voters… well, the comparison isn’t so easily shrugged off. And, again, this kind of incendiary language and campaigning leads to violence. The fight back, with words, ideas, music, art, cooperation, and compassion is needed. Again.
Radical and relevant. That’s Billy, even now in 2023, possibly more so than ever
Agreed. Always worth listening to what he has to say.
Comparing the campaigning slogans isn’t ridiculous though, is it.
You damn well know that I am talking about is this comment which was made on the previous page:
the current Conservative part had implemented the entire 1970s National front manifesto except capital punishment.
The Tories have not deported people married to non-whites, or denied all non-whites equal access to healthcare, housing, etc
The Tory Party might not appeal to you but it is not a neo-nazi party. Get a grip FFS.
No, they are not. But the campaigning points can be compared…
Close up…
And it’s not just the Tories… it’s all quite mainstream English politics.
As someone pointed out… it’s only capital punishment that stands out there as odd and not yet being used by mainstream political parties… but it is being used by a few very visible Conservative MPs.
Edit : Actually no I'll delete. It's obvious that a sensible debate isn't possible with you Kelvin
No, I do not and have not made that claim.
[ edit: the claim was that I said the Conservatives were a neo-nazi party ]
No. It was down to some lively interventions from all sorts of politicised people. The Clash were only OK, they bored me in Victoria Park. Red Saunders did a great job, brought together all sorts of disparate groups. We marched with skins, rastas, dockers, and all we were were very expressivive and balletic in our engagements with the Nazis. There was people in Manchester who did time for this. As with Cable Street, many aspire to claim involvement after the events. Billy Bragg happened to play at my mate's 21st at that time, he was an ex-army wannabe folkie at the time.
So anyway the latest opinion poll "only" gives Labour a 21% lead:
https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voting-intention-12-february-2023/
Pretty consistent polling from R&W there:
Polls seemed to have settled into a steady pattern with Sunak as PM… no further to fall, but leaving Labour quite a buffer. They’ll need all of that mind, when campaigning proper kicks in.
Political correctness, which both distorts the issues and further alienates played no part, thank heavens.
Political correctness is a linguistic theory
It does make me laugh when you use far right tropes - thats another one there
I think your love of brexit does cast some dust in your eyes over racism - your constant denial that racism is a huge driver of brexit does not stand examination
Mote / beam?
Political Correctness is just middle class desktop nonsense, nomenclature as a vehicle for maintaining a sneering superiority over the working class. Polite words don't deliver change.
Political correctness is a linguistic theory
It does make me laugh when you use far right tropes – thats another one there
Well I can't say it makes me laugh but your suggestion that the term "political correctness" is far-right terminology is obviously ridiculous. It used extensively by people who claim that it is "a linguistic theory".
The average voter isn't far-right, knows exactly what political correctness refers to, uses the term, and is generally pissed off by the whole issue.
Still, you have made it clear that in your opinion approximately 50 percent of the electorate are racist, so I guess we are not going to ever agree about this issue.
The far right trope is
Political correctness, which both distorts the issues and further alienates played .
I have nevet said this tho. find me a quote saying so?
Still, you have made it clear that in your opinion approximately 50 percent of the electorate are racist,
What I do maintain is that a large driver of brexit was racism something you deny or ignore in you love of Brexit
The far right trope is
Political correctness, which both distorts the issues and further alienates played no part, thank heavens.
LOL! I have never heard the far-right complain that political correctness distorts the issues and further alienates people! 😂
its merely a variant on the " political correctness gone mad" trope used by the right to blame the left and was used in almost exactly that form by jambourgie
That's the second time that you have mentioned him. How about not criticising someone who isn't even on the thread and hasn't made a comment? 💡
its an observation that amused me that you and him used a very similar form of words and the same sentiment. Strange bedfellows 🙂
