MegaSack DRAW - This year's winner is user - rgwb
We will be in touch
The timing was quite handy.
Turning up just before PMQ's
Its not like Rishi is busy the rest of the time. PMQs is the only time anyone actually sees or hears from him
Wasn't the timing so that Volodymyr Zelensky could address both Houses?
Sorry, but 30p Lee. WTAF ?????
I can only hope that when Labour are in power they weaponize these catastrophic decisions in the same way that the Tories used the ' no more money left' note as proof of Labour's mismanagement.
In any other period of history, just having Lee Anderson as a parliamentary candidate should have been enough to call a party's credibility into question.
^^ I could've agree more regarding Lee. The Tories are bereft of talent, ideas and morals.
As for Rishi, ive no doubt Zelensky being here is a welcome distraction but even if the timing is engineered, Zelensky needs all the exposure he can get at the moment what with Russia likely to launch a renewed offensive imminently. That overrides my dislike for Sunak/ the Tories.
30p Lee was a Labour councillor until he defected to the Tories about 4 years ago.
I am not sure why binners originally mentioned him when making the point that the "they are all the same" narrative was false. It seems an odd choice.
Well the “they are all the same” narrative clearly is false as Anderson chose to leave the labour party on account of, in his own words:
'The takeover of the Labour Party by the hard left'
So he clearly went over to somewhere where he felt more at home. And given the views he's expressed since I can't see how he ever associated himself with labour in any way.
Given his Daily Mail-esque views and character, can you envisage any eventuality where he would have ended up as Deputy Chairman of the Labour Party? or indeed in any role in the party on a national level?
Yet according to your “they are all the same” narrative, that would have been on the cards then, surely?
Getting back on topic: Sunak appointing 30p Lee is just more of the same. The ERG headbanger brigade wagging the Tory dog, yet again. They all love him, but it just shows you is just how weak Rishi is in dealing with them, and how he's as willing to give in to their demands as his predecessors
The Tory party is essentially UKIP and lets be honest... Lee Anderson would have felt just as at home with Farage and co
"Given his Daily Mail-esque views and character,"
And you think he was a completely different person with a different character 4 years ago?
I find him a strange example to offer of how different the parties are when he so seamlessly moved from one to the other.
Surely there must be better examples than some geezer who was a complete arsehole in the Labour Party 4 years ago and is now a complete arsehole in the Tory Party?
"Yet according to your “they are all the same” narrative,".
It's not my narrative. Daz pointed out that is how many potential voters see the situation and why they don't bother voting. I can't say that I am entirely surprised.
He's a sly ol' dog Zelensky.... he's backed Sunak into a corner with the request for jets.... Joint press conference now should be interesting "well mr prime minister are you going to supply fighter jets?"
30p Lee was a Labour councillor until he defected to the Tories about 4 years ago.
Not really a defection, he was suspended from the Labour party, then he left.
It's only a matter of time before jets are supplied I would say. I can't but think, just like tanks, it would have shortened the war and the suffering to have supplied them far sooner.
Sorry to cross the streams guys.
Surely there must be better examples than some geezer who was a complete arsehole in the Labour Party 4 years ago and is now a complete arsehole in the Tory Party?
Had anyone ever heard of Lee Anderson before he became a Tory MP?
Nah he was suspended for 4 months. He chose to leave and join the Tory Party after that.
There is no reason to assume that he wouldn't be in the Labour Party today if he hadn't chosen to leave - he wasn't kicked out.
"Had anyone ever heard of Lee Anderson before he became a Tory MP?"
Yup, he made the headlines when he blocked his road alledgedly to stop travellers.
The Daily Mail loved the story:
https://www.****/news/article-5328791/Man-blocks-car-park-stop-travellers-setting-camp.html
Although they omitted to mention that he was a Labour councillor in the headline, you have to read the article to find that out.
What if those voters know that nothing will change as a result of their vote and so stay at home? Are they morons as Kerley would have us believe, or are they rational people who can’t see the point in doing something that will have no effect?
As has been previously said (by you I believe but apologies if I'm misremembering) re: Brexit some people were duped and voted for change, any change. Now that's not the best example granted, but if you dont like what is happening (re government) then voting for another party at least gives the chance of a change that may be positive. To not vote is giving up on even the chance of a positive change.
PMQs is the only time anyone actually sees [...] him
That's because he is very small and generally hidden from view by the adult-size hi-viz jacket from his dressing-up box 🙂
They all love their cosplay, don’t they? Boris, Instagram <span style="font-size: 0.8rem;">Liz and now Rishi, pretending what it’s like to have a proper job. </span>
I blame George Osbourne and his ‘Northern Powerhouse’ schtick for starting all this nonsense
It goes back a lot longer than these clowns. Thatcher loved a bit of cosplay!
To be fair to him Ernie, not wanting a pikey to have a poo in your back garden is not necessarily a party political issue 😂
To put your bigotry to one side for a moment it is. The Tories create the conditions which encourages it and then complain about it.
A Labour government introduced the Caravan Sites Act 1968 which placed a statutory obligation on local authorities to provide halting sites, it resulted in 400 being established.
Thatcher, pandering to bigots, scrapped the legal requirement of local authorities to provide halting sites. And now the Tories, and the usual right-wingers, unsurprisingly complain where travellers stop.
And btw Anderson was not suspended from the Labour Party but temporarily from the Ashfield District Council Labour group, after being issued with community protection warning by the council.
'Nothing off the table' , 'option', 'long term' ....bombast.
Let's not get distracted by Tinkertown or Knackeragua.
pretending what it’s like to have a proper job
He does have a proper job, he just isn't doing it properly.
Zelensky is a really good political operator and he knows darn well I am sure that he is being used by Johnson and Sunak to make themselves look big on the world stage - and he is using that to get what he wants.
He’s a sly ol’ dog Zelensky…. he’s backed Sunak into a corner with the request for jets….
But you can't just hand over a jet. It's months of training and a huge resource to keep them flying. Hard enough with tanks and missile systems.
Great publicity to ask, but there were good reasons even Boris didn't do it.
Oh FFS, how do you do quotes nowadays 🤦♂️
[quote="morecashthandash"]Oh FFS, how do you do quotes nowadays
Dunno - I just tried to be clever and it didn't work!
Oh FFS, how do you do quotes nowadays
maybe this works?
Oh FFS, how do you do quotes nowadays
I find that it is mostly through luck than design these days.
Tip: If at first you don't succeed keep trying.
Are people having problems quoting on their pc's? Works like a charm on my android with Chrome. Not tried on my pc yet though.
Are people having problems quoting on their pc’s? Works like a charm on my android with Chrome. Not tried on my pc yet though.
Testing
Testing
I have just vaguely mastered it. I am going to take the plunge and try bold and italics next.
Bleedin 'ell I think that worked.
It just messed up for me on another thread when I didn't remember to "paste as plain text."
.
Zelensky: Buffalo or Montane?
But you can’t just hand over a jet. It’s months of training and a huge resource to keep them flying. Hard enough with tanks and missile systems.
Does the UK even have any "spare" jets to give?!
Plus it's not just the aircraft, it's the whole parts, maintenance, training and support packages...
Lee Anderson is perfect for his role in the current death-spiraling government, he's just chaff thrown out behind the plane to deflect incoming missiles. He seems to know what his role is, and is playing it with gusto. Today, it's the return of the death penalty, tomorrow it will be public flogging for striking nurses, the day after it will be burning books, sinking small boats, and making homosexuality illegal again.
The alternative to Anderson is more coverage of stuff that is actually more problematic for Sunak.
Well Lee Anderson might as well make the most of it whilst he can, in about 18 months time he will no longer be an MP.
The recognition boost you get from getting on the news regularly is the only chance he has, and hitting the Daily Mail talking points hard will help a bit, but you have to hope that the people of Ashfield will send him packing. Perhaps they should find their Deputy Chairman a safer seat in the shires? 🙂
the day after it will be ... sinking small boats
Apologies, didn't realise he'd already more or less covered this one.
Anderson is an odd one set up his own food bank to then try and say they are not needed.
He is perfect distraction material for us all to marvel at. At least he never went to Eton. 8 thousand majority is going to be tougher to turn over than you might think with ID voting and low turn out
Lee Anderson is perfect for his role in the current death-spiraling government, he’s just chaff thrown out behind the plane to deflect incoming missiles.
Everything Sunak announced the other day is utterly and completely pointless chaff. Literally rearranging deckchairs on the Titanic
He's created a minister for Net Zero when he leads a party of climate deniers who won't allow onshore wind and are funded by the fossil fuel lobby. Also, a Minister for International Trade when he leads a party of Brexiteers who have just made trading with our neighbours infinitely harder and are still in denial about it and daren't admit the bleeding obvious - that Brexit is a disaster
So its just complete paralysis, at best, but more likely continued economic decline until the inevitable general election loss
He’s created a minister for Net Zero when he leads a party of climate deniers who won’t allow onshore wind and are funded by the fossil fuel lobby.
To be fair, appointing Grant Shapps as that minister is quite appropriate given that Shapps has generally achieved Net Zero in most of his roles ...
<div class="bbp-rating" data-post-id="12717162" data-disabled="0" data-rating-total="1" data-rated-direction="0">
<div class="css-fzxg6o">
<div class="MuiBox-root css-79elbk">
<p class="MuiTypography-root MuiTypography-body1 css-9l3uo3"><span class="bbp-author-name">MoreCashThanDash</span></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div id="post-12717162" class="bbp-reply-header d-flex justify-content-between w-100">
<div class="bbp-reply-author d-flex align-items-center flex-wrap">
<div class="bbp-author-role">
<div class="">Full Member</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="p-0 loop-item-24 user-id-3700 bbp-parent-forum-180317 bbp-parent-topic-12340851 bbp-reply-position-1867 odd post-12717162 reply type-reply status-publish hentry">
<div class="bbp-reply-content">
He’s a sly ol’ dog Zelensky…. he’s backed Sunak into a corner with the request for jets….
If this quote doesn't work frankly I don't care...
It's pretty impressive watching zelensky, especially because it's mostly so simple and so obvious. Go to every country and give the leaders some photo ops, shake some hands, give them what they want knowing none of it really matters. Be a distraction, who cares. And in return, always demand too much, so that sometimes you get enough, and then immediately demand more. He does the cosplay thing but simply and effectively, it's not like he's trying to make Sunak look ridiculous.
</div>
</div>
What the actual **** is he doing wearing a pilots helmet and his grandad's coat?
It didn't help the dark side much in yesterday's West Lancashire by-election.
Anderson bounce
https://twitter.com/ChrisKimberley/status/1624175422932918273?t=3JVglXY6h3zu_Be8nV0ilA&s=19
Bit of an Outlier poll tbf, but still, squeaky bum time in cchq
I expect a flurry of policy announcements in the run up to the locals (which will obvs come to nothing a immediately after the vote).
Local results anything like the present polling numbers wiould see a leadership challenge within days
Anderson bounce
I don't suppose that many people know much about the new deputy chairman of the Conservative Party, or that the position has recently been taken.
The visit to the UK from president of Ukraine on the other hand is a different matter. Many will have seen Rishi Sunak playing the part of being a world leader greeting Zelensky, and they will have known that the UK was only the second country that he had visited following the Russian invasion.
So this is the Zelensky bounce.
The Tories really are totally buggered ...... they couldn't even get a very slight blip of extra support from Rishi Sunak playing the role of world leader.
Whatever Liz Truss did to the Tory Party the effect appears to be chronic and long lasting. I can't see anything saving the Tories from electoral disaster.
Darth Helmet vibes are strong in this one.
The Mk15 passenger helmet; one size fits none.
Bring back hanging and the birch. The horrible old ****s that always vote are all over that shit, they love it.
do find it odd that the Lib dem share is decreasing.... Labour traditionally do better with Liberals stealing a share of the tory vote. Perhaps an extended coalition hang over (the middle man vote went tory now swung to labour).
Grubby Hands
Not as grubby as the deputy chair, mind
https://twitter.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1624539274401001475?t=iveJuNuDkVLY96P1TmEVZA&s=19
Lee Anderson has supported those ****s for years, anyone that voted 30p lee into office is also a ****.
Lee Anderson MP hanging around with neo-nazis? It's so hard to believe!
Sunak getting desperate
He's alienating donors too
https://twitter.com/Sime0nStylites/status/1625010449371496451?t=4Jkrcamo_xUZWT3nnEpzEA&s=19
X2 post
How ironic that his name should be Anderson.
Also ironic that as part of the LGBT community Anderson should be quitting the Tory Party after almost 40 years just when they have the diverse cabinet ever.
I wonder how he managed to stay in the Tory Party after Thatcher introduced Section 28 and why culture wars meant so little to him then?
It does confirm that the whole Culture War thing is literally all they've got.
It's been obvious for some time that any election campaign will be based firmly on this
I honestly think that Lee Andersons comments on the death penalty are a spot of kite-flying to see what the response was from the public.
Would anyone be genuinely surprised if this lot did what Dave did when running scared from the Faragists, and promise a referendum on the reintroduction of capital punishment if they win an election? To me it just seems the next logical progression to where the Tory Party has been headed for the last 6-7 years, and nothing would surprise me in this banana republic of a country any more
Yeah, the Tories are going full on Republican aren't they?
I think it's going to be a really nasty general election with the Tories resorting to whatever means necessary to attempt to cling to power. I wouldn't be surprised at all if we see some form of violence. Either MP's getting attacked or violent clashes between protesters on the streets.
As happens so often, where America goes, the UK England follows.
Yeah, the Tories are going full on Republican aren’t they?
It won't work. UKIP already tried that and failed miserably. Why the tories would want to emulate their electoral 'success' I have no idea, but they're definitely heading in the direction of having no MPs just like UKIP.
I saw a graphic a while back (no idea if its true, I don't know how you would verify it) that the current Conservative part had implemented the entire 1970s National front manifesto except capital punishment. Looks like they are going for a full house.
Think of UKIP being like the Tea Party Movement... using any and all means to get their way out of a two party system... and those that were once called UKIP have arguably been even more successful here than those that were in the USA movement.
Yeah, the Tories are going full on Republican aren’t they?
Thats actually a really good analogy. The Republican Party was essentially hijacked then colonised by the Tea Party lot meaning that a minority fringe of nutters ended up wielding a completely disproportionate level of influence within the party when it came to setting policy.
The result of that was Trump and the party becoming a cult of tinfoil-hat-wearing, conspiracy-theory-believing nutjobs who refute all evidence that doesn't suit their insane worldview.
Exactly the same has happened to the Tory Party under the opportunism of the bargain basement Trump that is Johnson and the increasingly hysterical narrative about the blasphemy of 'Brexit Betrayal'
Whats obvious at this stage is that Sunak is just as much a hostage to the headbangers as his predecessors, but in an even weaker position as he has no mandate and he's tanking in the polls. Unfortunately, the only answer the Tory party sees is too gallop off into the realms of far right fantasy and nonsense like bringing back the death penalty
Klunk
do find it odd that the Lib dem share is decreasing….
We just had a local council bi-election in our ward (not sure how many others there were) and the Lib Dems have just nicked it from the Cons. This is in a very affluent area of Cheltenham that would normally vote for anything with a blue rosette on it.
It's probably an outlier as Cheltenham was a Lib Dem town for a good while so there's definite history here but it does suggest that the Libs may do better than the polls suggest in areas where going full Labour might be a stretch for disillusioned Tory voters.
National polling... not great at picking up pockets of support. There will be seats ready to swap from Conservative to LibDem... having a smaller national share of the vote but a greater number of MPs at the next election is very likely. I'd put money on them doubling their seat count without any upswell in national vote share (or national polling) at all.
I saw a graphic a while back (no idea if its true, I don’t know how you would verify it) that the current Conservative part had implemented the entire 1970s National front manifesto except capital punishment. Looks like they are going for a full house.
Eh? Of course it isn't true!
The cornerstone of the Front's manifesto since 1974 has been the compulsory deportation of all non-white immigrants and their descendants, as well as the white British partners in mixed-race relationships. It stated that the "repatriation" process could take ten years, adding that before deportation, non-whites would be stripped of British citizenship and placed behind white Britons when it came to access to welfare, education and housing.
I think some people might have forgotten just how racist and Nazi the NF were. The idea that they would be happy with a brown Prime Minister called Rishi Sunak and a brown Home Secretary plus countless other brown and black UK government ministers is laughable.
NF= No Freedom
NF= No Future
NF= No Fun
From my Anti-Nazi League & RAR days
Edit: Can I just point out that it was primarily the Anti-Nazi League and Rock Against Racism that destroyed what had been the NF's growing influence among young people.
Never underestimate the power of a mass movement engaged in a fightback or struggle.
Rock Against Racism
They'd be called the woke liberal elite who "should stick to music" these days. Actually... much the same accusations were thrown at them... just using different labels.
Some reading for the young uns...
Anyway, some chatter on NF 1970s campaign material...
https://thatchercrisisyears.com/2015/02/12/1970s-national-front-manifesto/
They’d be called the woke liberal elite who “should stick to music” these days. Actually… much the same accusations were thrown at them… just using different labels.
Nonsense. Rock Against Racism didn't represent a bunch of self-righteous intellectuals alienating people further by accusing them of being racist at every opportunity and sowing divisions, whilst pointing out which was the latest terminology imported from the United States that the Guardian columnists had decided was acceptable to use.
Rock Against Racism focused on bringing black and white people together through music, whilst exposing the NF as Nazis who had nothing to offer anyone.
They were totally successful in their aims without the words political correctness and woke ever being used.
Instead of further divisions they brought unity.
Music unites because people enjoying music together and having fun feel a natural affiliation and sense of wellbeing towards each other - words aren't necessary, beyond lyrics!
The result of that was Trump and the party becoming a cult of tinfoil-hat-wearing, conspiracy-theory-believing nutjobs who refute all evidence that doesn’t suit their insane worldview.
Exactly the same has happened to the Tory Party under the opportunism of the bargain basement Trump that is Johnson and the increasingly hysterical narrative about the blasphemy of ‘Brexit Betrayal’
And voter suppression.
a bunch of self-righteous intellectuals alienating people further by accusing them of being racist at every opportunity and sowing divisions, whilst pointing out which was the latest terminology imported from the United States that the Guardian columnists had decided was acceptable to use.
er. parklife? 🙂
Rock Against Racism
We have to thank the backlash to Clapton for that.
Shitty rapist racist addict he's been.
Some good comes out of everyone.
Would anyone be genuinely surprised if this lot did what Dave did when running scared from the Faragists, and promise a referendum on the reintroduction of capital punishment if they win an election?
Been predicting this for years, once Brexit Got Done (sic) they needed another flagshaggers 'dream'.
Rock Against Racism
They’d be called the woke liberal elite who “should stick to music” these days.
a bunch of self-righteous intellectuals alienating people further by accusing them of being racist
I often wonder how a meeting between our current day selves and our much younger selves would play out.
The Clash were intellectuals, and they were righteous, and conscientious, that's for sure.
a bunch of self-righteous intellectuals alienating people further by accusing them of being racist at every opportunity and sowing divisions,
I love the fact that this is the same trope as used by Jambourgie
it was nonsense when he said it and its still nonsense now
Rock Against Racism
We have to thank the backlash to Clapton for that.
Shitty rapist racist addict he’s been.
Some good comes out of everyone.
Yup, very much agree.
it was nonsense when he said it and its still nonsense now
It is total nonsense to claim that political correctness defeated the NF, it didn't.
It was by exposing the NF for what they were - neo-Nazis, and how their message of hate and division had nothing to offer and provided no future.
The music united people and their different cultures.
Political correctness, which both distorts the issues and further alienates played no part, thank heavens.
Political correctness, which both distorts the issues and further alienates played no part, thank heavens.
Ok boomer.
You’ll note that only you have brought up the label “Political Correctness”. No idea why.
So it was all down to Billy Bragg then?
He didn’t even need to use words. Famously taciturn.
So getting back to the point, comparing the Tory Party today with the NF of the 1970s - a neo-nazi party whose members idolised Adolph Hitler, is ridiculous nonsense.
And it is these sort of ridiculous and false claims which makes the real struggle against racism so much harder and actually plays into the hands of the Tories.
Why should people listen to legitimate criticism of the racist nature of the Shamima Begum case, for example, when so much nonsense is talked and such wild accusations are constantly made?
Comparing the campaigning slogans isn’t ridiculous though, is it.
Scaremongering about “floods” and “invasions” of immigrants, and blaming them for the woes of voters… well, the comparison isn’t so easily shrugged off. And, again, this kind of incendiary language and campaigning leads to violence. The fight back, with words, ideas, music, art, cooperation, and compassion is needed. Again.
Radical and relevant. That’s Billy, even now in 2023, possibly more so than ever
Agreed. Always worth listening to what he has to say.