[Closed] NOTW Hacking [spoiler]

I seem to have fallen through a wormhole in the space-time continuum, and landed in an alternate reality where the United Kingdom is a borderline banana republic ruled by newspaper magnates.

Does anyone know how I get back?

to be honest its all so depressing i think the only person you could say you trust is vince cable.

[url= http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jul/18/phone-hacking-british-power-elite ]On Saturday 2 July, Rupert Murdoch's daughter Elisabeth and her millionaire PR husband Matthew Freud hosted a party at their 22-bedroom mansion in the Cotswolds.
Michael Gove, the education secretary, was there. So was David Cameron's consigliere Steve Hilton, and the culture minister Ed Vaizey. The Labour figures in attendance included Peter Mandelson, the ex-work and pensions secretary James Purnell, the shadow foreign secretary Douglas Alexander - and his shadow cabinet colleague Tessa Jowell, who reportedly arrived with her supposedly estranged husband David Mills.

They were joined by David Miliband – who, let us not forget, was supported in his quest for the Labour leadership by the entire Murdoch stable of newspapers. Robert Peston was glimpsed in deep conversation with Will Lewis, News International's general manager. The BBC's director general Mark Thompson turned up, along with Alan Yentob, Jon Snow from Channel 4 News, Bear Grylls, Mariella Frostrup, Lily Allen and Patrick Kielty. And what a time they had: thanks to Nick Jones, the owner of the members-only Soho House club and husband of Desert Island Discs' Kirsty Young, two marquees had been turned into pop-up versions of his London reaturants, Cecconi's and Pizza East, and drinking and dancing went on until 4am.
Also among the guests was James Murdoch, who spent much of the night talking intently to Rebekah Brooks – whose behaviour that night was said to be somewhat uncharacteristic. "Usually, Rebekah flits around having a word with everyone," one witness told the Daily Mail. "She loves being the centre of attention. But that night, she spent nearly all her time with News International people." The following Monday, when plenty of the revellers must still have been feeling groggy, the Guardian ran the story by Nick Davies and Amelia Hill about Milly Dowler's phone being hacked.[/url]

Lots of fun in the evidence so far - people blaming each other and contradicting each other.

10 ex NI employees out of 45 in the press office of the met.

Loads of " i didn't know that" to stuff they really should have. yates seemed to get off lightly so far tho

Anybody else watching or listening to the grilling. It is delicious. Awkwardly delicious.

I'm listening..... met guys seemed to get a proper grilling 🙂

flicking in and out of it - its great.

Ed Llewellyn will be the next to resign is my bet - he is being blamed for Camerons lack of knowledge of all the dodgy stuff as he refused to tell Cameron

Murdoch Snr truly wishes he was somewhere else right now.... seems to have no answers.

Do we thing this is an act by RM? if him and his son knew nothing then the interview with brooks could, could be a belter.

Bet Cameron is shitting his pants at the minute.

James Murdoch comes across quite well actually - doing all he can to take as many questions as possible to protect his father.

Am quite impressed with the candor of both the Murdochs at the committee.
They are doing what I wish our politicians would do, answering questions.

avoiding prevaricating and obfusticating IMO at best.

Good PR and appearance but not really candid

cameron will be fine the select comitee are all gentle and nice with the murdochs a marked change compared to stephenson and yates' grilling earlier
it looks to me that mps are still in thrall to the murdochs on this dispaly

and i dont believe murdoch srs grandpa simpson impresion for minute we all know hes mr burns
and if either of them says 1 more time they were surprised or shocked by the revelations and the ongoing coverup and legal battles someone should give em both a slap

although yates earlier mentioning of downing street not wanting to be briefed on the phone hacking case so they would have plausible deniability or whatever the term is?

Here they are:

10 September 2010: John Yates to Ed Llewellyn:

Ed,

Hope all well.

I am coming over to see the PM at 12.30 today regarding [redacted: national security] matters. I am very happy to have a conversation in the margins around the other matters that have caught my attention this week if you thought it would be useful.

Best wishes,

John

Response: 10 September 2010: Ed Llewellyn to John Yates:

John -

Thanks - all well.

On the other matters that have caught your attention this week, assuming we are thinking of the same thing, I am sure you will understand that we will want to be able to be entirely clear, for your sake and ours, that we have not been in contact with you about this subject.

So I don't think it would really be appropriate for the PM, or anyone else at No 10, to discuss this issue with you, and would be grateful if it were not raised please.

But the PM looks forward to seeing you, with Peter Ricketts and Jonathan Evans, purely on [redacted: national security] matters at 1230.

With best wishes,

Ed

pm in major ass covering exercise or just standard procedure?

edit

Snap Kimbers!

That Llewellyn resignation right there!

Rupe just dropped Brooks in it

, is is possible that the editors did not know what was going on?

RM replies:

I cannot say that because of the police inquiries.

🙄

I think it also shows how bad the MP's are at asking questions.

That was certainly a cutting swipe about Gordon!

Getting a bit rattled now

What happened?

Some mad woman just attacked Murdoch!

Booger, missed that, what happened???

lol...wtf?

Erm...security?!

Good God this has it all - what next FFS.

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Dunno, was reading this thread and just heard the commotion.

was only listening, who what where?

4.54pm: Someone has just tried to attack Rupert Murdoch. His wife Wendi seemed to slap the person

LOL @ sharkbait 😀

portculis house, line 4, the wilson room? wtf?

Lucy Liu attacked a custard pie ninja I think.

He's got white stuff all over his face.

Cream pie?

Someones in A LOT of trouble.

😯

Yes, Wendy takes a flying swipe at someone off camera.

mad man

i did wonder who that fit bird doing the sharon stone leg thing in teh background was, turns out it was his wife!

Cream pie or humble pie?

Heh.

4.57pm: The suspect looks like he has a substance like white paint on his face.

My colleague Jackie Ashley tells Twitter: "Wendi [Murdoch's wife] can throw quite a punch."

getting a bit exciting now, poor sports turning the camera away, very poor

well looks like a member of the public has done what the mps havent been

getting a bit exciting now, poor sports turning the camera away, very poor

BBC rolling. ITN still off.

i did wonder who that fit bird doing the sharon stone leg thing in teh background was, turns out it was his wife!

Not only me then.

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hero

Mrs Murdoch gave the assailant a swift-one round the fiz-og?

this is more sensational the notw ever was, because its actually true!

security need a kick in the balls over this tbh, and will probably generate sympathy for murdoch
also should in no way distract from the yates' earlier revelation of pms office blatant efforts at protecting cameron, no wonder the man left the country

There's some great TV footage waiting to be leaked. 😀

sneaking in a custard pie, that is impressive

it was a plate of shaving foam or spquirty cream. its hardly the crime of the century, unlike the one NI are accused of!

Cue the conspiracy theories - this guy was an NI stooge paid to disrupt the session just before Louise Bagshawe could come in with the killer question... 8)

She's just married Peter Mensch, manager of Metalica.
Not though that's relevant, but it's my wiki nugget for the day.

Seems I was wrong - he's a "comedian" called Johnnie Marbles. Even [url= http://twitter.com/#!/JonnieMarbles ]tweeted that he was going to do it[/url]. I would have thought they'd have done something to block phone signals in the room. It also looks as though people were tweeting questions to the committee unless it's just a coincidence that members have been asking questions just after they've been raised on Twitter.

Laura Kuenesburg(sp) has made a seemingly valid observation that Ginger Brooks could avoid a lot of the questions due to her arrest.

1820:

A bit of breaking news now: Hacking suspect Neil Wallis may have provided "informal advice" to David Cameron's communications chief Andy Coulson before the general election, the Conservative Party have said.

so does this mean they had info from labour mps hacked phones?

A fair chance I think

brooks is full of it
she claims she (and coulson) were closely involved and as editor had final say on milly dowler stories and at the same time was unaware that millys phone was hacked
yet the papers own stories at the time were talking about the contents of millys message box

edit now she says she was on holiday when that particular story was run thru and said coulson was in charge

They don't seem to be taking toilet breaks, leaking MP's bladders?

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It was Pie Man!

i did wonder who that fit bird doing the sharon stone leg thing in teh background was, turns out it was his wife!

Now I know what to buy her for Christmas

I have just been watching this from the visitors' gallery. Cameron did not look worried at all. Milliband was much more effective than I expected after he got off his prepared speech. News international have not yet let their solicitors say what they know. I think they said there had been 40,000 phones hacked.

Aye - good performance from Cameron today. he is not out of the brown and sticky stuff yet but he did well.

Still would not deny discussing BskyB takeover with Brooks and still has some nasty stuff to deal with over Coulsons appointment

So the murdoch's know nothing about phone hacking
Brooks knows nothing about phone hacking
Coulson knows nothing about phone hacking
Cameron knows nothing about coulson
And the met (bless em) know absolutely **** all about any of it!

Well I'm glad that's a bit clearer.

Nicely summed up yoss.

i think yosarrian has the gist of it

One line mmissing, Yoss: witness that knew everything dead.

Apparently witness that knew everything wasn't very reliable and might not have been prepared to testify in court.

Oh yeah I'd forgotten that one 🙂

It all smells shittier that shitty mcshit, the world's shittiest smelling person.

shitty mcshit

🙂

Apparently witness that knew everything wasn't very reliable and might not have been prepared to testify in court.

You're right Yoss, it stinks o'shit - no wonder Daveyboy has been hiding!

Who's going to be found dead of natural causes in unsuspicious circumstances next do we think?

My money is on Coulson, he must be crapping himself at every creaking floorboard at the minute.

Would it be insensitive to see what odds William Hill are offering?

Would it be insensitive to see what odds William Hill are offering?

7-4 on at Ladbrokes

But of course he can rely on Dave to protect him,ROFPMSL.

After all,Dave knows the first rule of politics,no witnesses,no crime.

And it continues. James Murdoch has been dropped it by an ex editor of the NOTW and its top lawyer - accusing him of lying to the house of commons committee

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jul/21/james-murdoch-select-committee-evidence

Coulson got a lower level of vetting than the people before and after him in the post. The excuses simply do not ring true

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jul/21/david-cameron-andy-coulson-security-vetting

Cameron now 8-1 to resign

This has got a lot of legs yet TJ. It's going to run and run. This is when its starting to get interesting though. Its squeaky bum time. There is going to be prison time handed out for this. I expect this is the start of people who have so far held their nerve, starting to break ranks and accuse each other.

The 'I'm not going down to protect you!" or the "**** it! If I'm going down, I'm taking you with me!" approach

Can't wait personally 😀

Yup. Cameron must be shitting himself 'cos while I doubt he has done anything criminal he has sure made some catestrophically bad errors of judgement adn if someone dobs him in he will have to go.

Didn't vet coulson, didn't know he was dirty as sin?
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Tom Watson

When you signed off the Taylor payment, [u]did you see or were you made aware of[/u] the [b]full [/b]Neville email, the transcript of the hacked voicemail messages?"

To this James Murdoch answered:

"No, I was not aware of that at the time."

In their statement, Myler and Crone claim:

"In fact, [u]we did inform him of the 'for Neville' email[/u] which had been produced to us by Gordon Taylor's lawyers."

they informed him of the Email - they don't claim he had seen it, or that he was aware of the full contents.

Very poor question by Tom Watson - Murdoch did not claim he was not aware of the [i]existence[/i] of the email - he claimed he was not aware of and had not seen the [b]full[/b] email transcript.

had Watson asked another question, he may have got another answer, but it seems Murdochs claim was technically correct, all down to the use of the word [b]full[/b] by Watson

Yup. Cameron must be shitting himself 'cos while I doubt he has done anything criminal he has sure made some catestrophically bad errors of judgement adn if someone dobs him in he will have to go.
Didn't vet coulson, didn't know he was dirty as sin?

Someone in Whitehall RIGHT NOW is being lined up to take one for the team. Cameron primed us for this the other day. An adviser or administrator will be brought forward as the person who failed to follow protocol and failed to inform the PM of the failure.

Cameron will survive this.

yossarian - Member

Cameron will survive this.

More than survive, he will prosper.

The police and press will undergo a politically motivated 'cleansing', the public will hail Dave as the person who cleaned up the press and any real investigative journalism will be harder as public perception of the press is now very poor.

A few sacrificial heads will roll, a few backs will be scratched and after the summer break the gravy train will still be leaving platform 1 with all seats in first class full.......

Camerons personal poll ratings have gone up through all this. Looks like his 'doing a Blair' strategy and disappearing off abroad seems to have worked

What that says about the gullibility and general intelligence of the Great British Public is frankly terrifying

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Could he be any smugger? I suspect we may be about to find out