[Closed] NOTW Hacking [spoiler]

So Toys - when did labour appoint one of murdochs henchmen to a position of power despite being warned he was involved in all sorts of illegality?

ahem - brown, sick kid story published with dubious sources, went to Wade/brooke's wedding anyway, then when it's safe to do so sets off on a "I could have stopped them all" tirade.
He knew the kind of shyte they were up to, yet still associates on personal level with them. How very, very moral and upstanding.

Also, Blair knew there was absolutely fk all evidence of weapons of mass [s]distraction[/s] destruction, but went to war anyway, with the subsequent deaths of, well so many Iraqis we didn't even bother to count them aand hundreds of british soldiers. All fine upstanding stuff in TJ-land though.

bigbutslimmerbloke - but not

when did labour appoint one of murdochs henchmen to a position of power despite being warned he was involved in all sorts of illegality?

Sam B - where the hell did you find that? I'd be frightened if I hadn't noticed most of the posters are probably taking a break from humping their sisters somewhere in Arkansas...

Haha a friend of mine posted it on facebook in a similar "is this guy actually serious" vein. Some of the comments are astonishing 😯

This is about to turn into one of those arguments where TJ is proved wrong, but not in his eyes as he will move the goalposts/definition with every statement.

Scale of corruption, type of behaviour? What a load of diversionary bollocks.

When you admit that labour are easily as bad as the tories then I'll get off your back, but if you continue to ply this line then you are in for a long fight.

I'm not a tory, I'm not labour, but it pee's me off when people do this point scoring for their particular party and try and take some kind of moral high ground an behalf of a politician or political party. I mean how ridiculous and short sighted is that.

binners - Member

These people have rich, cosy, privileged lifestyles. I wonder how they'll react when staring down the barrel of a few years in prison

Didn't seem to cause Sir Jeffrey any problems, people of their ilk don't really do 'hard time' do they 🙄

Is there any way that Piers Morgan can be dragged into this sorry mess?
Would love to see that puffy smug face up before the beak.

He has a face I could never tire of punching.

So Toys - when did labour appoint one of murdochs henchmen to a position of power despite being warned he was involved in all sorts of illegality?

Tom Baldwin - Milibands PR man!

on the other hand, when did Cameron last invite Rebekah Brooks and Murdochs wife to a sleepover party at Chequers?

Illegal arrest?
Unlawful search?

Yep, look into the caselaw - i) arrested after attending pre-arranged interview, arrest will fail necessity test, (Richardson vs W.Mids police 2011), ii) s18 PACE search of journalistic materials conducted without judicial oversight (Sanoma Uitgevers B.V. v. the Netherlands EHCR 2010)

Case closed!

In fact TJ, the fact that you are so into fidning ways to make the tories look worse than labour just exactly proves my point. If you look at it from a cold outsiders point of view, they are all milli****s and camersynts.

Didn't seem to cause Sir Jeffrey any problems, people of their ilk don't really do 'hard time' do they

Its a fair point. Or Jonathan Aitken. They both used their time constructively to discover God/write books

However, there's an added element here. Would you fancy going to prison as the person who authorised the phone hacking of murdered teenagers and dead soldiers

I'd say you're either going to be in with the nonces, or having some right old fun and games. I suspect this fact may presently being pointed out to them both

So in your world hiring someoneone suspected of being involved in illegality is far worse than being involved in illegality yourself and lying about it (Blair) or accepting hospitality from someone you know to be involved in completely immoral actions even when thos actions cause distress to yorself and your family (Brown)?
Really?
Do the trams run on time and to budget in your world?

Yep, look into the caselaw - i) arrested after attending pre-arranged interview, arrest will fail necessity test, (Richardson vs W.Mids police 2011), ii) s18 PACE search of journalistic materials conducted without judicial oversight (Sanoma Uitgevers B.V. v. the Netherlands EHCR 2010)

Telegraph report it was 'arrest by appointment' and that Coulson knew he was going to be arrested, how does Utigevers v Netherlands apply?

Case closed!

personally id like to see the whole damn lot of em sent down and forced to share a cell with either

or

though im confident that police collusion and expensive lawyers will prevent any of the big bods doing time and certainly not in a proper prison

Is there any way that Piers Morgan can be dragged into this sorry mess?
Would love to see that puffy smug face up before the beak.

He has a face I could never tire of punching.

Si, you're a friend of mine, and have helped me loads.

I'm going to find a way of granting your wish.

Oh no! This is becoming one of [i]'those'[/i] threads, isn't it?

Shall the rest of us shuffle off, and leave you to the next 3 pages of utterly pointless, uber-pedantic, repetitive, childish, inane point-scoring bickering?

Have fun!

Bullheart - can we all give Piers a slap purleeeeez, seeing as you're in Jim'LL' Fix it mode?

I f we are going to pick winners I've got my fingers crossed for Andy Hayman, he is so bad its untrue. Gotta be going down sooner or later.

Well binners we haven't had one for a while, so it seems only fair. Anyway TJ is talking shite and needs to have the space to let it all out.

Bigbutslimmer - I'd strongly suggest that you've misread the significance of both those cases.

isn't this only of great interest if you actually read and believe everything the papers reports? otherwise it's just a big fly in the media/ political ointment.
will this actually change the ugly face of politics/ the way in which people vote at elections?

I'm not so sure.
(hence the questions)

ZuluEleven - How do they apply?

lifer, I'll pm as its far too much bollocks for on here

Toys

TandemJeremy - Member

Oh no doubt labour have been obsequious to News International in the past - Brown even went to wades wedding IIRC.

Right near the beginning I said that. Odious and demeaning yes.

however if yu think Coulsons appointment is in the same league as sucking up to a Wade and co?................. Curry favour with NI executives or appoint Murdochs right hand man to the heart of downing street. these are equivalent behaviours in your book?

You keep saying I am doing the tories down because I am a labour supporter. I am not as you have repeatedly been told.

I am doing the tories down because they are some of the most odious corrupt and dangerous politicians we have ever had.

I am doing the tories down because they are some of the most odious corrupt and dangerous politicians we have had since this lot:

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FTFY

BigButSlimmerBloke - Member

So in your world hiring someoneone suspected of being involved in illegality is far worse than being involved in illegality yourself and lying about it (Blair) or accepting hospitality from someone you know to be involved in completely immoral actions even when thos actions cause distress to yorself and your family (Brown)?
Really?
Do the trams run on time and to budget in your world?

A reasoned and open minded post. FACT.

toys19 - Member

Well binners we haven't had one for a while, so it seems only fair. Anyway TJ is talking shite and needs to have the space to let it all out.

You missed the dog thread then.

But your venom* over this now smells of more than just the need to morally correct me, isn't it more about how it has hurt you?

This does seem to be descending into the usual right v left debate when it should be about honesty and integrity.
Few politicians will be able to walk away free from blame but that does not mean we should not attempt to work out who has a greater burden of blame.
Yes Blair [ imho] lied and distorted over the dossier and the war. He /labour should have been held to account [ thought the Tories voted with him on the vote] but that is no reason to ignore Camerons poor judgement over Coulson.

* you called someone a **** I said you were childish. Why am I the one accused of venom?

richc - Member

toys19 - Member
Well binners we haven't had one for a while, so it seems only fair. Anyway TJ is talking shite and needs to have the space to let it all out.

You missed the dog thread then.

Please, someone go start a helmet thread so the old jimmer can reach a state of beatitude 😆

Got to say there's a serious breach of ettiquette here, threads involving TJ should go along the lines:

1)Dis-agreement between TJ and another person or persons develops.
2)TJ backs up his side with interntery based facts.
3)TJ shoehorns a reference to how Scotland is better than England in order to support his argument.
4)Person or person(s) start throwing insults at TJ.

Could we try and get this thread back on to the correct format please?

🙂

(5) - (8) endless pages of egocentric postings with diminishing relevance to OP

results in (9) multiple pwnage events

leading to (10) "Teh Edinburger defence"

Bigbutslimmer - I'd strongly suggest that you've misread the significance of both those cases.

The heavy-handed police action came weeks after the alleged offence and after the boy’s parents said they did not wish to pursue the matter.

He had attended a police station voluntarily to be interviewed. It is said that his arrest was unlawful because the arresting officer had no or no reasonable grounds for considering that his arrest was necessary: a precondition imposed by the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984 (`PACE') Section 24(4) by an amendment effective from 1st January 2006.

Complaint withdrawn= no reason to arrest him.

clong

4b. .. or TJ just ignores whatever the other person is saying and keeps banging the same old gong regardless.

hilldodger

10 goes without saying really, doesn't it?

TJ just ignores whatever the other person is saying and keeps banging the same old gong regardless.

It is a very impressive gong though. TJ gets oiled up and lets rip:

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😀

Not forgetting 4c..TJ vows to walk away and lasts less than 4 posts before "teh return of teh law" 😆

Really got under your skin? The weakness of your argument is shown in your desire to attack me.

Plonkers.

4d - in desperation tj resorts to personal insults claiming that shows how strong his argument is.

Shall we see who can be most imaginative in the name calling stakes. Maybe instead of debate you should head straight to the name calling, cut out the middle man so to speak?

God I'm bored today - even picking on tj isn't helping

To be fair to New Labour, who were obviously a bunch of scumbags (not that the Conservatives wouldn't have gone to war in Iraq though), Cameron employed, just before an election someone with a lot of media contacts who it was well known (and Cameron was warned) was under suspicion of obtaining information in very illegal ways about lots of people in the public eye, including pretty much all of the current cabinet.

So, the obvious suspicion is that given Coulson almost certainly knew stuff about Labour politicians based on hacking their phones, Cameron may well have had access to information that was gained from phone hacking. Possibly unknowingly, but he was clearly pretty careless about the whole thing, given he was warned about Coulson way back. So potentially we are talking an opposition party who ran their political campaign based on information gained by hacking the phones of the government. Last time something similar came to light, it was the Watergate affair, and was seen as quite a big deal.

4e - the jimster wheels out the piffle'n'plonker wind ups, then when people respond he pulls the 'oooh they're all attacking me' ploy 😆

BigButSlimmerBloke
Shall we see who can be most imaginative in the name calling stakes. Maybe instead of debate you should head straight to the name calling, cut out the middle man so to speak?

Wazzock

Daily Mail? Draw your own cross-hairs

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Calm down, ladies. I've been informed that the forum pixie is "sick" of all the arguing... apparently.

BigButSlimmerBloke

Shall we see who can be most imaginative in the name calling stakes. Maybe instead of debate you should head straight to the name calling, cut out the middle man so to speak?

cocklobster

I think the place I'd like to be right now is in the Private Eye offices. Hislop must be like my kids on Christmas morning. I wonder if his face will actually fold in on itself from all the grinning. That's the place to be I reckon.

I don't really get

cocklobster

Englishman

Is there any way that Piers Morgan can be dragged into this sorry mess

Piers Morgan, ex tabloid editor does seem rather quiet on the whole subject doesn't he. I wonder why.