My handy lawyer says that they quite likely did arrest her deliberately to stop her testifying at the select committee, in order to avoid her being forced to incriminate herself in public at a point where she was not under caution. Supposedly that could make problems for any criminal case against her. Select committees being different to a judge led enquiry in that people are just effectively having a chat.
Joe
Mr Cameron says there is no comparison between his appointment of Andy Coulson and Neil Wallis’s role with the Met
he is correct the Met men who have gone did not directly employ the media person and were not personally warned of the dangers of this. Nor did they appoint someone who had resigned from their position due to the tapping of phones so he does have a point. They are not the same.
Mr Johnson [london mayor] told a news conference at City Hall in London: "I believe that both decisions are regrettable but I would say that in both cases the right call has been made."There is absolutely nothing that has been proven against the probity or the professionalism of either man.
He was funny on today explaining why these had to go but dave could stay.
Cameron will be doing well to survive this IMHO.Once the boot gets put in to the murdochs tomorrow I would expect them to settle some scores and take someone with them.
His judgement has been very poor on this issue whether he weathers the storm remains to be seen.
[url= http://www1.politicalbetting.com/ ]4/1 odds of borris replacing cameron if he goes before the end of the year odds of which are 7/1[/url]
judge led inquirys are often perceived as civerups/ whitewashes, rather than a good public spitroasting and pelting in the stocks of the select comittee
edit its also a bit ironic that cameron has had to cut short a trip to nigeria, home of the 192 scam, due to allegations of corruption at home
[url= http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jul/18/news-of-the-world-sean-hoare ]why does this not surprise me.[/url]
As much as Cameron going is a deranged lefty fantasy....
4/1 odds of borris replacing cameron if he goes before the end of the year odds of which are 7/1
....Boris would be awesome. 😯 😀
Am I missing something, or is Boris not being an MP a considerable obstacle to his becoming PM?
just parachute him in to a safe seat. offer sir bufton tufton a nice little directorship or two to retire and leave the seat for him
This is getting really scary now, Boris as PM??!!!?????!!!
This is getting scary now - people being found dead who are related to the case.
Though the investigations are ongoing and I am not suggesting impropriety, what immense pressure must someone be under to commit suicide?
This is a very, very murky affair.
So the replacement for John Yates is Cressida Dick ....... the operational commander on the day that an innocent man had bullets pumped into his head on a tube train by the MET - who then attempted to cover up the deed with a litany of lies suggesting that he had run away from the police, failed to stop when told to do so, worn "excessively warm clothes" etc.
Am I suppose to have confidence in her ? 😕
Did the fibs come from her Ernie or others? I don't remember. She was the operational commander I know
She was the operational commander
Yep, on the day that the MET committed a historical cock-up.........and attempted a memorable cover-up.
Isn't this scandal and all these people resigning all about people saying "I didn't know what was happening on my watch so I now feel obliged to resign" ?
yeah but shes a paid up member of 'common purpose' which is a management equivalent of the masons/scientoligists/illuminati
Well as far as I can see the lies did not come from her but from others - mainly Ian Blair and she appears to be well thought of generally.
Lee Jasper, the mayor of London's director on equalities and policing, said: "She is a firefly - small, diminutive and red-hot. She is not into flamboyant gestures but she is an exceptional officer and a tough cookie."
John Tanner, council leader at the time, said: "She was like a breath of fresh air - progressive, liberal, intelligent, full of new ideas. She was very good at not over-policing protests and demonstrations. But at the same time she worked with us to expand the use of CCTV and to address crime on the estates."
Remember she was exonerated by a jury of any personal blame and no whiff of corruption surrounds her so far as I can see.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2006/sep/15/menezes.ukcrime
she was exonerated by a jury of any personal blame
Ah I see - blameless. And I guess that if on that fateful day the MET had shot and killed an Al-Qaeda terrorist, as opposed to a wholly innocent man, she wouldn't have taken any of the credit at all ? That's how it works isn't it ?
This is getting scary now - people being found dead who are related to the case.Though the investigations are ongoing and I am not suggesting impropriety, what immense pressure must someone be under to commit suicide?
This is a very, very murky affair.
Remind you of anything? Dr David Kelly spring to mind?
Dr David Kelly spring to mind?
yes.. murkier and murkier
Blacker than black.
National scandal unfolds; whistle-blower found dead no apparent cause; implicated police force says it's not suspicious. What did he know?
Time for the tin foil hat again.
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Oh look, something else that Thatcher set in motion has come back to bite us on the Ar*e.
Still may not be all bad news as it has happened on "Cameron's watch".
[url= http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jul/18/mystery-bag-bin-rebekah-brooks ]http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jul/18/mystery-bag-bin-rebekah-brooks[/url]
the suns website has been hacked........
www.thesun.co.uk/
well there was briefly a link to a cloned sun front page saying murdoch had been found dead
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Well if you got to the sun now (@23:14 monday night), you get redirected to the lulz twitter feed. How funny!
just comne across this
Disgraced former News International boss Rebekah Brooks intervened to persuade David Cameron to make ex-News of the World editor Andy Coulson his spin doctor, it was claimed last night
Hardly the most reliable of sources even tho its a tory paper but this is the killer blow if this can be proven or a really credible witness comes forward.... Or Brooks will testify to avoid jail......
to be fair there is a bitchfight going on between ni & brooks vs daily mail & paul dacre
while dacre has bravely stated no daily mail stories were based on hacked info
i do wonder if the wider tabloid press will be ignored as the shitstorm centres around ni
and the sad death of sean hoare made me wonder if someone like this might be involved
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im not being flippant i think that the shaddow lines plot is made even more believable as more corruption and collusion is exposed in the press and police
I seem to have fallen through a wormhole in the space-time continuum, and landed in an alternate reality where the United Kingdom is a borderline banana republic ruled by newspaper magnates.
Does anyone know how I get back?
to be honest its all so depressing i think the only person you could say you trust is vince cable.
[url= http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jul/18/phone-hacking-british-power-elite ]On Saturday 2 July, Rupert Murdoch's daughter Elisabeth and her millionaire PR husband Matthew Freud hosted a party at their 22-bedroom mansion in the Cotswolds.
Michael Gove, the education secretary, was there. So was David Cameron's consigliere Steve Hilton, and the culture minister Ed Vaizey. The Labour figures in attendance included Peter Mandelson, the ex-work and pensions secretary James Purnell, the shadow foreign secretary Douglas Alexander - and his shadow cabinet colleague Tessa Jowell, who reportedly arrived with her supposedly estranged husband David Mills.
They were joined by David Miliband – who, let us not forget, was supported in his quest for the Labour leadership by the entire Murdoch stable of newspapers. Robert Peston was glimpsed in deep conversation with Will Lewis, News International's general manager. The BBC's director general Mark Thompson turned up, along with Alan Yentob, Jon Snow from Channel 4 News, Bear Grylls, Mariella Frostrup, Lily Allen and Patrick Kielty. And what a time they had: thanks to Nick Jones, the owner of the members-only Soho House club and husband of Desert Island Discs' Kirsty Young, two marquees had been turned into pop-up versions of his London reaturants, Cecconi's and Pizza East, and drinking and dancing went on until 4am.
Also among the guests was James Murdoch, who spent much of the night talking intently to Rebekah Brooks – whose behaviour that night was said to be somewhat uncharacteristic. "Usually, Rebekah flits around having a word with everyone," one witness told the Daily Mail. "She loves being the centre of attention. But that night, she spent nearly all her time with News International people." The following Monday, when plenty of the revellers must still have been feeling groggy, the Guardian ran the story by Nick Davies and Amelia Hill about Milly Dowler's phone being hacked.[/url]
Lots of fun in the evidence so far - people blaming each other and contradicting each other.
10 ex NI employees out of 45 in the press office of the met.
Loads of " i didn't know that" to stuff they really should have. yates seemed to get off lightly so far tho
Anybody else watching or listening to the grilling. It is delicious. Awkwardly delicious.
I'm listening..... met guys seemed to get a proper grilling 🙂
flicking in and out of it - its great.
Ed Llewellyn will be the next to resign is my bet - he is being blamed for Camerons lack of knowledge of all the dodgy stuff as he refused to tell Cameron
Murdoch Snr truly wishes he was somewhere else right now.... seems to have no answers.
Do we thing this is an act by RM? if him and his son knew nothing then the interview with brooks could, could be a belter.
Bet Cameron is shitting his pants at the minute.
James Murdoch comes across quite well actually - doing all he can to take as many questions as possible to protect his father.
Am quite impressed with the candor of both the Murdochs at the committee.
They are doing what I wish our politicians would do, answering questions.
avoiding prevaricating and obfusticating IMO at best.
Good PR and appearance but not really candid
cameron will be fine the select comitee are all gentle and nice with the murdochs a marked change compared to stephenson and yates' grilling earlier
it looks to me that mps are still in thrall to the murdochs on this dispaly
and i dont believe murdoch srs grandpa simpson impresion for minute we all know hes mr burns
and if either of them says 1 more time they were surprised or shocked by the revelations and the ongoing coverup and legal battles someone should give em both a slap
although yates earlier mentioning of downing street not wanting to be briefed on the phone hacking case so they would have plausible deniability or whatever the term is?
Here they are:10 September 2010: John Yates to Ed Llewellyn:
Ed,
Hope all well.
I am coming over to see the PM at 12.30 today regarding [redacted: national security] matters. I am very happy to have a conversation in the margins around the other matters that have caught my attention this week if you thought it would be useful.
Best wishes,
John
Response: 10 September 2010: Ed Llewellyn to John Yates:
John -
Thanks - all well.
On the other matters that have caught your attention this week, assuming we are thinking of the same thing, I am sure you will understand that we will want to be able to be entirely clear, for your sake and ours, that we have not been in contact with you about this subject.
So I don't think it would really be appropriate for the PM, or anyone else at No 10, to discuss this issue with you, and would be grateful if it were not raised please.
But the PM looks forward to seeing you, with Peter Ricketts and Jonathan Evans, purely on [redacted: national security] matters at 1230.
With best wishes,
Ed
pm in major ass covering exercise or just standard procedure?
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Snap Kimbers!
That Llewellyn resignation right there!
Rupe just dropped Brooks in it
, is is possible that the editors did not know what was going on?RM replies:
I cannot say that because of the police inquiries.
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I think it also shows how bad the MP's are at asking questions.
That was certainly a cutting swipe about Gordon!
Getting a bit rattled now
What happened?
Some mad woman just attacked Murdoch!
