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people are affected by marketing to varying degrees.
We would have a scale from not very to easily influenced.
You may consider yourself to be free of it but no one trully is. there are hundreds of products I[and you] could name that I have never used and I guess if you forced me say something about them.
take Hope...I still have some for you 😉
why do i buy it ?
Its British - so are Superstars - mmm why do I not buy them - fruits marketing?
the replace stuff - do you think they do this to create a brand image as say a good company to deal with?
I could go on but it would be falling on deaf ears
When you reply in general could you try and not lump everyone in together.
I assume their is a broad spectrum of opinion amongst those of us who know marketing has an effect even from those who try their best to be unaffected...No person is island though I am starting to believe you are actually impervious to some aspects of your surroundings.
What's the relevance of " 🙄 " ?
So you've answered one question. Now let's see if you can go for the rest.
You've now chosen the [b]P[/b]lace to buy the product. Continue.
this really is funny. The way you guys are so determined to tell me I do something I know I do not. You do not know me
"Anyone who says they've never had a purchase positively influenced by marketing is exceptional, naive, or full of it"
One out of three - and not really that exceptional. I know many others
I don't want to [b]P[/b]iss on don simon's [b]P[/b]arade, but the 4[b]P[/b]s of marketing are...
[b]P[/b]roper [b]P[/b]lanning [b]P[/b]revents [b]P[/b]iss [b]P[/b]oor [b]P[/b]erformance.
that's right isn't it?
Do you not realise what intrinsic qualities mean? they are independent of marketing. washing up liquid remains washing up liquid no matter its marketing.
I know I shouldn't bite but this thread is hugely entertaining 🙂
The liquid in a bottle with 'Fairy' on the outside is not the same as the liquid with 'persil' on the outside, is not the same as the liquid with 'Ecover' on the outside, is not the same as the bottle with 'Sainsbury' on the outside...
So who makes the decision in these companies about what the liquid is made up of and what qualities they want it to have?
Do you not realise what intrinsic qualities mean? they are independent of marketing. washing up liquid remains washing up liquid no matter its marketing.
everyone knows this
you enter the store whihc happens to be there when you need wahsing up liquid and you enter free of any marketting
You look at the products and there are only two both the same price.
One is brown and in a bottle shaped like a turd and called Diarrhoeal SHIT
One is in a nice bright colour and tells you it is clean and and branded as fresh o clean...for those unaffected by marketing and other guff...it's intrinsically better.
Which are you buying ?
God this reply should be good. 😀
What's the relevance of " 🙄 " ?
the relevance is that you have shown your complete inability to even attempt to understand what I am saying. You continually make false assumptions abut me.
wow, i've never been in a thread to tj,
it's quite like trying to reason with my nearly 3 year old daughter.
she won't be told she's wrong, but she often is.
she;s affected by marketing, but she doesn't know it yet.
TJ, you buy products. You you buy them for their intrinsic qualities irrespective of other qualities. Which is admirable. Are you aware that you might be able to buy the same product with these same intrinsic qualities for less money? I guess you are happy that you are apying more for a product that you could buy for less from somewhere else.
That is the price of ignoring marketing.
Talking of ignoring, you've done the usual trick of ignoring the questions that suit you and throwing in the snidey insults as it suits you.
Is the root of ignore, ignorant? 😀
You look at the products and there are only two both the same price.
One is brown and in a bottle shaped like a turd and called Diarrhoeal SHIT
One is in a nice bright colour and tells you it is clean and and branded as fresh o clean...for those unaffected by marketing and other guff...it's intrinsically better.
Do they perform the same function?
Why do you say the second one is intrinsically better?
TJ how do you choose your washing up liquid then?
the relevance is that you have shown your complete inability to even attempt to understand what I am saying. You continually make false assumptions abut me.
Wah! Wah! Wah! Can you lay off the personal insults TJ? You don't half get nasty when it suits you....
Is the root of ignore, ignorant?
Now, if we're on to etymology, that's up my alley.
The two words are intrinsically linked, it is true.
TJ's still a troll. Arguing for the sake of it, trying to provoke a reaction, even when he knows that the position he has taken is untenable. Either that, or he's an idiot. I trust it is the former.
TandemJeremy - Member
yes I shave. I have some blue disposables I bought. No idea of the brand. I also have a nice razer I was given decades ago. It takes an obsolete cartridge blade that is hard to find nowadays
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So you buy the blue ones? Their marketing works then - they created a simple 'brand' with very easy to recognise packaging.
Clever aren't they?
Clever aren't they?
No, silly. The [b]P[/b]roduct is intrinsically better when weighed up against the [b]P[/b]rice and the [b]P[/b]lace it was bought from, [b]P[/b]romotion had bu66er all to do with it.
3 out of 4 ain't bad for a non believer.
So you buy the blue ones?
Nope - they are the ones I bought that time. Not knowing what they are I doubt I will buy them again although they worked well. I think they may have been bought in italy but i canot remeber. I have never bought them before
NO CFH - I simply live my life in a way incomprehensible to many folk on here.
Don - just go back a mo. I said - "the shop that was convenient to me at the point I made the decision to buy" - you said expensive convenience store.
that is you making assumptions about me and what I do that are false and showing you failed to understand the basic point I was making
with that- I will bow out
I know you guys will never accept that there are people like me to who brands, marketing and advertising are almost completely irrelevant.
I have some blue disposables I bought. No idea of the brand.
So...
Assuming you like them and want to buy more, how will you know which ones to buy when they run out.
Or
Assuming you don't want to buy them again cos they rip your face to shreds, how do you know which ones NOT to buy?
you're [b]P[/b]roud of that one are you dom
So you buy the blue ones? Their marketing works then - they created a simple 'brand' with very easy to recognise packaging.
Clever aren't they?
Exactly, no cheaper to make, but made to look cheaper to give a feeling of value to those who are. Buying them.
Right so we can have two pages of you pin dancing on the question and never answering ..its obvious why you dont want to answer TJ - no one is picking diarrhoeal shit in that example not even you. That is as near as a win as anyone can get with you [refusal to answer]No matter how big the hole and how clear the example the spade will be active for the next few hours
Enjoy and night all
I'm oot
So, a basic question unanswered.
I know you guys will never accept that there are people like me to who brands, marketing and advertising are almost completely irrelevant.
You buy things. The fact that those things are available for you to buy are DIRECTLY linked to the marketing process.
That you choose to ignore that and try and claim that it is irrelevant, is rather telling. My trust, as stated in my earlier post is fast disappearing.
.
Don - just go back a mo. I said - teh shop that was convenient to me - you said 0expoensive convenience store.
remove the expensive convenience store and answer the other bits.
I will be brakes, good innit? 😉 It kind of demonstrates a [b]P[/b]oint quite nicely for the hard of thinking.
Junkyard - MemberRight so we can have two pages of you pin dancing on the question and never answering ..its obvious why you dont want to answer TJ - no one is picking diarrhoeal shit in that example not even you. That is as near as a win as anyone can get with you [refusal to answer]No matter how big the hole and how clear the example the spade will be active for the next few hours
Enjoy and night all
I'm oot
Junkyard - I asked two relevant questions that are information I need to give yo an answer.
answer me those two questions and I will give you my answer
Junkyard - I asked two relevant questions that are information I need to give yo an answer.
Yeah Junky? Why should TJ answer any question before having his relevant questions answered?
I'm with you 100% TJ.
i'm gonna go buy some rapha stuff.
only cuz i'm on that webpage. by accident.
not cuz i'v been influenced or anything.
I know you guys will never accept that there are people like me to who brands, marketing and advertising are almost completely irrelevant.
This thread is not about marketing, it's about TJ's identity about being an outsider.
What other questions do yo want me to answer Don that I have not? Give me them and I will do one final post answering them ( unless junkyard gives me the info to answer his question)
Go back and read TJ.
Ignore =ignorant.
how about this one:
TJ how do you choose your washing up liquid then?
don simon - MemberGo back and read TJ.
Ignore =ignorant.
Seriously don - I do not know what other questions you want me to answer that I have not - make it simple for me.
Nope - they are the ones I bought that time. Not knowing what they are I doubt I willbuy them again.
No TJ, you used the example of a simple blue razor to show you are not effected by brand, wrongly assuming that only describing them as 'blue' proved that you aren't influenced by marketing as you just picked up the plain ones, but there was a decision made, either consciously or sub-consciously to chose them and you noticed the packaging enough to give them brand recognition - whether or not it means you will buy them won't matter to them, their packaging clearly works because even you recollected it.
Seriously don - I do not know what other questions you want me to answer that I have not - make it simple for me.
Apparently it has to be.
[/url]There's two of your Ps right there. What will you do if the washing up liquid doesn't do a good job of removing the grease? Buy the same brand again because it's convenient? Or do something else? (That was another P just FYI).
[url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/more-clever-advertising-that-i-dont-understand/page/3#post-3890425 ]
[/url]If brands are so unimportant why did you look for a branded product here?
[url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/more-clever-advertising-that-i-dont-understand/page/3#post-3890489 ]
[/url]Is the root of ignore, ignorant?
Otherwise nothing.
Why do you think corner shops are on corners?
Because otherwise they'd be "shops".
I'm clevar, me.
No MF - that simply is not true. Yo are making a series of assumptions about my behavious that are false
No TJ, you used the example of a simple blue razor to show you are not effected by brand,
Wrong - I was simp.y answering the question as to wht razers I sused. I thought about it and remembered they were some blue disposables. Nothing else was implied - straight exchange of information
wrongly assuming that only describing them as 'blue' proved that you aren't influenced by marketing as you just picked up the plain ones, but there was a decision made,
wrong - making assumptions about what I did and what information I was conveying. I described them as blue as that is the only description I have of them without going and looking tey nmight be a heliy marketed one,l they might not. isimply do not now or care
either consciously or sub-consciously to chose them and you noticed the packaging enough to give them brand recognition
Wrong o I simply picked them off the shelf _ I have a suspcision they wer ethe ony ones available
- whether or not it means you will buy them won't matter to them, their packaging clearly works because even you recollected it.
Wrong. I remeber in picutres hence I remeber the colour of them
Do they perform the same function?
i set the scene
you enter the store whihc happens to be there when you need [b]wahsing up liquid[/b] and you enter free of any marketting
[b]You look at the products and there are only two[/b][ WASHING UP LIQUIDS ]both the same price.
have you ever used either? NO so you dont know do you as you are free of marketing but they are both on aisle marked washing up liquid.
Why do you say the second one is intrinsically better?
One is in a nice bright colour and tells you it is clean and and branded as [b]fresh o clean...for those unaffected by marketing and other guff...it's intrinsically better[/b]
that is the label[ i used the word brand to show even the name was marketing] - who know what it means and certainly not you as you are free of marketing...I mean you dont even recognise the font 😉
That the lot don?
I have never noticed any failure of a detergent to work. detergent is one of those things that just works. so its rather a hypothetical question but clearly I would not buy it again as its intrinsic qualities would have proven to be faultyThere's two of your Ps right there. What will you do if the washing up liquid doesn't do a good job of removing the grease?Buy the same brand again because it's convenient? Or do something else?
(That was another P just FYI).
In relation to the hope hub? I was wanting that particular hub as it could be dismantled to provide me with a spare for another hub I have again bought for what it was.If brands are so unimportant why did you look for a branded product here?
Is the root of ignore, ignorant?
I have no idea - i guess so.
TJ - Ortlieb Panniers 😉
Sorry Junkyard - I don't understand your point I dont think
I assume that you are saying I have no information other then the packaging to go on to make my decision - contents identical bar colour and name - price identical?
then my choice would be purely random if I really had no information to differentiate them but its a somewhat far fetched hypothetical situation
edit - or maybe you mean this
"fresh o clean...for those unaffected by marketing and other guff...it's intrinsically better" is the name of the product / label on it?
In which case my answer remains the same - I look at the contents, I look at the price, with nothing to distinguish them my choice would be fairly random. what its called / labelled / branded as is irrelevant to me - I am interested in what it[i] is[/i]
what about them? Good intrinsic qualities, I don't own any.Tiger6791 - MemberTJ - Ortlieb Panniers
right - obsessive arguing - I must stop. I can feel the banhammer
Loving the attention though isn't he, TJ of the order of Argumentative Monks? Trying to get trolls to see sense on the internet is like p***ing on badgers - fun, but ultimately pointless.
Incidentally, TJ,
You said you bought the blue razors and liked them, but if you went back you might not buy them again because you don't know what they are.
Now, I'm all for trying different products to make an informed purchasing decision. But by finding a product you like and [accidentally / deliberately] ignoring this knowledge, you're ostensibly shaving off your nose to spite your face.
It's one thing trying to ignore marketing / advertising, fair play for that, but it's another to deliberately go out of your way to avoid things you know you like. I don't really understand why you'd do that.
Apologies if I've misunderstood you here.
That the lot don?
All I could be bothered with.
If you believe you're unaffected by marketing, go for it.
I would not buy it again as its intrinsic qualities would have proven to be faulty
And you would identify it as a crap product by its label I suppose.
I was wanting that particular hub as it could be dismantled to provide me with a spare for another hub I have again bought for what it was.
And the brand was completely irrelevant in indentifying this intrinsic quality, wasn't it?
I have no idea - i guess so.
And your failure to recognise want as a state verb further confirms a poor level of English.
Why do you use the energy supplier that you use?
Sorry Junkyard - I don't understand [s]your point[/s]this thread I dont think
Ciao!
I see TeeJ as an Argulympian that I never try and contend with. It's not so much that I think he has a specific talent to be right but that his reputation preceeds him and I know that [i]'he's not worth it[/i]... I'll never better him.
Interesting piont cougar - I would try to find some cartridges that would fit the 30 year old nice handle I was given by someone. I don't usually use disposables. I would have noted if they wer not good tho to make sure I never bought them again first disposables I have used in many years. Bought for lightness for last years trekking holiday
Just out of interest I went to look at the razers - they are a well known brand and are actually mainly green with some blue bits
Shows how much effect the marketing / branding had on me 🙂 as I didn't recollect eh name nor the colour of them
TJ - have you ever, other than by accident, bought the same product twice? - can be any purchase, ever.
you still chose them though.
i use feather and shark razors, i don't know why, they have no uk marketing that i have seen. yet i still chose them. i didn;t pick them blind, as you suggest you do. a process occurred that led to me buying them as did your choice of blade.
this process is influenced by marketing.
what does the word feather mean to you.
what does the word shark imply?
Phil =- yes
right - obsessive arguing - I must stop. I can feel the banhammer
Its getting closer *cringes*
But TeeJ... and it's a little BUT... you [i]know[/i] they're a well known brand... got to be Gillette or Wilkinson... and I don't buy razor blades at all.
Back to ignoring questions TJ?
Which energy supplier do you use? And why?
Why do you use Killfile? (That's a new question BTW).
EDIT: surely it becomes an argument when it degenerates into petty name calling and insults, no? Otherwise it's just a debate.
Phil =- yes
I assume it's fair to say that if the product was crap you wouldn't of bought it again. The fact that you didn't think the product was crap and that you made a repeat purchase means, like it or not, you were affected by marketing. It may not have been the obvious marketing activities - advertising, branding, or packaging - but it was still marketing.
It may not have been the obvious marketing activities - advertising, branding, or packaging - but it was still marketing.
No.
Because TJ knew the intrinsic qualities [b]before[/b] opening the package and he definitely wasn't attracted by either the packaging or the price. 🙄
Don Simon +1 this isn't an argument... you can present and have an opinion without having an argument*.
*Diet threads excluded
This might be a total digression...
TeeJ do you have an opinion on Nestle?
Sorry guys
right - obsessive arguing - I must stop. I can feel the banhammer
he definitely wasn't attracted by either the packaging or the price
Or the [b]P[/b]roduct.
Is that a full house?
TJ, [url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/more-clever-advertising-that-i-dont-understand/page/4#post-3890711 ]answers please.[/url], hate to think you were ignoring the tricky questions.
Sorry guysright - obsessive arguing - I must stop. I can feel the banhammer
I have been warned off.
Don - I asked for one round up of questions yo wanted answered and then answered them. Now you want more
You will never accept the veracity in what I say. Yo will continue to tell me I behave in a way I know I do not
I have been warned off.
The moderated defence??
***** hamsters... you pissed after watching the footy too?
Don - I asked for one round up of questions yo wanted answered and then answered them. Now you want more
It's an earlier, if you don't want to answer it, it's no skin off my nose.
Accept the fact that marketing is all around you and almost all the purchasing decisions you make, from the motorbike you ride to the petrol station you buy your petrol from, from the products you repeat buy to the ones you reject are all products of marketing. No product gets to your hands without going through the marketing machine.
You buy your energy from a particular energy company because of marketing or risk being over charged or under serviced.
But if you feel you can ignore this then you really are special. Especially when you put such faith in Hope hubs, Wikipedia, Google and Killfile. 😉
*makes mental note of avoidance strategy*
http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/clever-logo-well-i-thought-so-anyway/page/49
If we learn anything from history...
You know what? I wish I wasn't influenced by marketing. I don't like the idea that there's someone cleverer than me that can influence me.
So I avoid it.
But.
I only buy Heinz beans. And think Patagonia clothes are ace. I'm totally influenced by marketing.
If you said that you hate the idea of marketing and actively avoid it Teej, no-one would disagree with you. But I think it's pretty impossible to avoid it and not be influenced in a psoitive way, een if you don't want to.
Jesus christ, I'm also writing posts like [s]Solo[/s] or [s]Single_tracker[/s] someone.
Colonel - you've got just Edit 🙂
2 more days
Before you must 😉
Offer yourself up for, the ultimate sacrifice.
TandemJeremy - MemberWhat other questions do yo want me to answer Don that I have not? Give me them and I will do one final post answering them
Which I did.
What you seem unable or unwilling to understand is that it is possible to live a different lifestyle to you - one where marketing is virtually irrelevant. I buy what I buy on the basis of need based on what something is - not what it is marketed as.
Why you have the arrogance to tell me that I behave in a way I know I do not astounds me. Just accept my motivations are different to yours
But I think it's pretty impossible to avoid it and not be influenced in a psoitive way,
I beg to differ. Its perfectly possible to reduce its pernicious influence to a minimum by concentrating on need not want and matching the qualities you need with the qualities of the objects on offer.
He's like a haiku yoda innit.
I'll risk being on his pro-milk naughty list.
TeeJ - I ask in order to understand... when You want to buy something, do you research it or just walk into a shop and buy?
virtually irrelevant
so not free from
Just accept my motivations are different to yours
we do but as you say you can make it virtually irrelevant but no one can actually ignore it all not even you [ or I ] though we try.
I never buy nestle and I would not take it if it was free....would you buy it?
Nothing to do with their products they might be intrinsically brilliant but they are not a nice company IMHO - I know this because some people told me [marketed the idea] they were bad etc.
We all get your point we just dont get why you need to be so extreme when you make your points.
I buy what I buy on the basis of need based on what something is
What a product is, is decided by the product development team. In most companies they will be part of the marketing department...
I buy what I buy on the basis of need based on what something is - not what it is marketed as.
How do you know what something is before you have bought it? That would appear to be the point of arrogance.
You still haven't told me which energy supplier you use nor why you have chosen that supplier.
Why did you choose Killfile over other similar products?
Why do you use the term Google instead of search or look for?
I am perfectly happy to accept that people have different motivations to me, but when someone tells me they can breathe under water I am going to ask them to demonstrate and convince me before I can accept the idea.
You haven't convinced me TJ and that's not arrogance.
The Southern Yeti - MemberTeeJ - I ask in order to understand... when You want to buy something, do you research it or just walk into a shop and buy?
depends on what and when and why I am buying it. I usually have good idea of the qualities I seek and look for something to match that
Junkyard I have consistently qualified it in that way as obviously 100% is very hard to achieve in any field
The fundamental question TJ, is your claim to reject and resist marketing when you don't even know what marketing encompasses.
For someone who claims to be intelligent, that's quite sad.
Do a bit of research on the 4Ps to begin with and then come back and tell us how your buying decisions are not affected (this was one of the first questions you elected to ignore on a previous page).
brooess
what something is is simply what it is. washing u liquid is washing up liquid. the marketing dept may make it green or smell of flowers but it remains washing-up liquid. all the thing the market dept do to it make no difference to my decision
How do you know what something is before you have bought it?
read the label? Look at it? research beforehand?
You still haven't told me which energy supplier you use nor why you have chosen that supplier.
Scottish power / scottish gas, no choice when I took out the contracts, never bothered to change. not interested in the marketing - could even be to my detriment on that. I don't care
read the label? Look at it? research beforehand?
And where doesn't marketing come into that?
Scottish power / scottish gas, no choice when I took out the contracts, never bothered to change
And you're quite happy to follow your ideas, even if that means you're paying too much, receiving a poor service or even missing out on alternatives. As you say Iberdrola are prefectly happy for you to live in your ignorance. ¡Viva España!
It's all part of marketing, getting the information into your sweaty mitts, it's marketing.
Embrace it, read it, digest it and then make informed decisions from it. It's not the enemy, it's your friend. 😆
And you're quite happy to follow your ideas, even if that means you're paying too much, receiving a poor service or even missing out on alternatives.
No - again you fail to understand. I just don't care at all
It gets in the way and makes it harder to do this. Hence marketing has a negative effect on me generally.And where doesn't marketing come into that?
And yet you'll still try to claim that it is I who doesn't understand marketing. 😆
And yet you'll still try to claim that it is I who doesn't understand marketing
where did I say that? I didn't.
You simply seem unable to understand that some people like me do not follow the path you do.