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How on earth is it as high as nine per cent?
Even if someone agrees with her policies surely they would be in despair at how incompetently they have been introduced?
That puts Truss below Prince Andrew 11% (never mind truss wtf is still a fan of him!)
It's getting silly now
https://twitter.com/ChrisKimberley/status/1580666089511342080?t=K2h952THGDLuRc-uCvwKZw&s=19
How can ANYBODY be less popular that Prince Andrew? 😳
Crikey.
Read somewhere today that approval in western countries for Putin is around 11%.
So Putin would win in a popularity contest!
Hurrah!
Plotters are plotting
https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/1580658752457707521?t=5pyelhAY-5fjyEPqWAiF6g&s=19
Indian ministers are said to be furious with her remarks as the agreement is reportedly “on the verge of collapse”.
She aired concerns about the deal last week because it might increase migration, telling the Spectator “the largest group of people who overstay are Indian migrants”.
Surely this is deliberate and not due to utter incompetence? I cannot fathom the depths of stupidity one would have to drop to in spouting this stuff.
Probably best not to consider the depths of stupidity when talking about Liz Truss. It’s literally bottomless. She’s so dense, light bends around her
I’m betting that she’ll trigger Article 16 as a distraction just because…. well…. Why not?
QT should be interesting. I wonder which desperate mug they’ve talked into going out to defend Lizzie?
https://twitter.com/gurggles1234/status/1580673620464263170?s=21&t=Mj3MNJL2BSE9TvSA1u3N2g
How on earth is it as high as nine per cent?
Half of the 9% weren't entirely sure who Liz Truss is and thought she was someone else?
I wouldn't expect 100% of people to know who the leader of the Tory Party is.
Why would they? It’ll be Boris again before Christmas. They’re that stupid.
As usual very sharp comment from John Crace https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/oct/13/is-librium-liz-a-delusional-narcissist-or-just-disastrously-dim
'Welcome to the People’s Republic of Trussia' genius though.
'Trussia!'
Some people peak early in their life. Ghoulish funeral giggler Kwasi Kwarteng looked a mekon-level genius on University Challenge, who knew he forgot his maths so soon. U turn then the boot before the month is out. Tories will do anything to stay in power.
Who is this truss person?
Her surname is o'leary.
I think Truss has Boris level morals when it comes to a married partner.
Caher, you give her too much credit.
I still think she's a Lib Dem sleeper. Great job Liz.
I’m wondering if he gets to be the fall guy,someone’s got to take the blame, if you believe the papers sounds like they’ve already decided to reverse stuff whilst he was out of the country,behind his back.
TBH actually leaving the country seemed a rather politically stupid thing to do, still they do like to get the odd jolly in.
I think they are in total crisis and making it up as they go along.
Amazing and scary at the same time.
I think they pulled the pin on a grenade and put it back in the box of grenades
You don’t really get the opportunity to go back a week later and put it back in,hoping that no-one noticed the consequences of your actions.
It’s stellar ****wittery what they’ve achieved in so little time.
They’ve created a mortgage disaster on top of holding your energy bills at double what they were last year and this is just the start of her reign.
Amazing and scary at the same time.
Yep since the B-thing it’s definitely been a pretty weird ride.
I only thought it would be one Pandora’s box that got opened but looks like it’s a like a set of Russian dolls, one box after another.
Perhaps I’ll wake up in the shower happy that Mrs T is still in charge and we are still in the EU and it was all a dream 🙂
Kwarteng has been ordered back to the UK early…
When I went to bed last night he was being interviewed in New York and was adamant he wasn't going anywhere.
Weren't Kwarteng and Truss in the supposed Whips black book?
I have visions of their government ending in a Thelma and Louise style leap off the white cliffs of Dover
They’ve created a mortgage disaster on top of holding your energy bills at double what they were last year and this is just the start of her reign.
And annihilated anyone with S&S savings too. 🙁
Though as every appointment seems worse than before:
Dave>May>Alex>Liz
Pritti Nasty>Cruella
Who’s next as Chancellor? I can imagine her thinking “Moggy’s Business Secretary, businesses are to do with money, the Chancellor looks after finances-he’ll be perfect”
I enjoy watching the result of the logical dislocation that the right wing libertarians [that have hijacked the Tories] are having to cope with. They profess to believe and rely utterly on the markets and capitalism...right up to the point until the markets give them an answer they either don't like, or doesn't align with their beliefs.
How on earth is it as high as nine per cent?
Outside of the blood sport area that Westminster has become...life goes on.
https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1580707653973516288
Weren’t Kwarteng and Truss in the supposed Whips black book?
Very much so, in fact I think Kwasi had his own entry in Liz Truss's section.
https://twitter.com/big_headers/status/1295688064715694082
Trade minister, Greg Hands is being made to sound like an absolute idiot on Radio 4.
He’s having all his previous quotes read back to him when he was warning of the dangers of unfunded tax cuts and asked why, given his much voiced opposition to them, he now thinks they’re a good idea
I haven't read the whole thread but has anyone said she's created a Trusster*uck.
If not I hearby claim it's birth 😂
What’s happening in Leicester has nothing to do with uk politics
The membership will be funny to watch of Truss gets replaced and they have no say.
So this morning William Hill are offering 7:4 on her gone by Christmas. That's was 1:3 yesterday.
They profess to believe and rely utterly on the markets and capitalism…right up to the point until the markets give them an answer they either don’t like, or doesn’t align with their beliefs
It’s been noted by plenty of people that for free market evangelists they clearly have very little understanding of how the free market actually works
I think that’s the polite way of saying that they’re a pair of clueless idiots
What’s happening in Leicester has nothing to do with uk politics
Hindu nationalist labour candidate in predominantly Muslim area
As usual very sharp comment from John Crace
Oh dear.
We have been left with only two explanations for Truss’s increasingly erratic behaviour, neither of which are mutually exclusive.
I still think she’s a Lib Dem sleeper. Great job Liz.
There is no evidence that Liz Truss is doing a great job for the LibDems.
Since Liz Truss became Prime Minister support for the LibDems has dropped even further with well over 90% of opinion polls giving them an even smaller share of the vote than the 12% they received in the last general election.
Nothing seems to be reversing the damage done to the LibDems by Nick Clegg's collaboration with the Tories. The only people benefiting massively from the Tories's suicide mission are the Labour Party.
I’m wondering if he gets to be the fall guy,someone’s got to take the blame
Kwasi Kwarteng is Chancellor of the Exchequer, he was responsible for writing and presenting the "mini budget". He deserves to be sacked, doing so wouldn't be treating him as an innocent fall guy but as a guilty party which he clearly is.
The only people benefiting massively from the Tories’s suicide mission are the Labour Party.
Don't celebrate too early, those on the right of the Conservative party aren't going to swing left all of a sudden, they're going to be more pissed off and angry at the world than they are now.
Much of Europe is taking a swing to the right from where they've generally sat for the last 80 years and I don't doubt we'll be having our "hold my beer" monument soon enough. It's not at all difficult to imagine the collapse of the tory party being a gift to the right in the UK.
I wonder if any tories are thinking that the country is in such a mess that it might be worth holding a GE now, then blaming labour for the pain over the next couple of years and winning the next, rather than holding on while things get worse and worse, and then to be out of power for a couple of cycles
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There is no evidence that Liz Truss is doing a great job for the LibDems.
Since Liz Truss became Prime Minister support for the LibDems has dropped even further with well over 90% of opinion polls giving them an even smaller share of the vote than the 12% they received in the last general election.
Nothing seems to be reversing the damage done to the LibDems by Nick Clegg’s collaboration with the Tories. The only people benefiting massively from the Tories’s suicide mission are the Labour Party.
but it's the ultimate selfless sacrifice - you don't have to benefit directly for everyone to benefit. Stop thinking so short term.
The minor problem the PM has is that the tiny group of people who are responsible for this is basically, Kwarteng, a small group of no.10/11 spads and herself. Dissenting voices from the Treasury were excluded, even the Cabinet didn't get a heads up.
She has virtually no-one to chuck under the bus. Kwarteng goes, she follows shortly after, it's inevitable.
wonder if any tories are thinking that the country is in such a mess that it might be worth holding a GE now
There was a quote in the FT a week or so ago of a WhatsApp message from a conservative former minister to one of their labour MP friends which basically said “you must win the next GE. I may be a conservative but I am a patriot first”.
Governments lose elections, oppositions don’t win them. This government has already lost the financial argument.
But the longer they stay together, performing u turns in this disaster the more incompetent they look, and alienating themselves from the rest of the party. They will go, it’s just a matter of when, and I can’t see a GE not being held in those circumstances.
Don’t celebrate too early
I am not celebrating anything. The country is in a mess and the opposition offers no alternative vision which inspires me. The very best we can hope for imo is that if we are lucky with a fight back things won't get much worse. If we aren't lucky things will get even worse.
Btw I have no idea why you believe that all opinion polls might be wrong and that voters might support a political party even more right-wing than the current one. What has or is happening in Europe is irrelevant in the context of the current situation in the UK.
Started reading a book by Vince Cable (never finished it...). IIRC he said it was certainly possible to work with the torys but the party (the tory party) had primacy over all things.
Loyalty. The last bastion of bastards.
Btw I have no idea why you believe that all opinion polls might be wrong and that voters might support a political party even more right-wing than the current one
I don't doubt that at this point the majority of [swing] voters will vote left.
What I highly doubt is that 80% of tory voters will look at this mess and think that the solution is to move left, not right.
I don't see farage* in number 10 next time round, I can see him facing starmer across the dispatch box.
The reality is people are getting poorer, less empowered, more angry, less tolerant and more divided. That hasn't really tended to work in favour of the left in the UK, or Europe, (or the moderate anywhere) in the past.
No domestic government, left or right, competent or not, is going to fix the hole we're in, if only because most of it is beyond their control. Labour failing to fix it will be firmly pinned on them by the same folks who stick signs on the side of London buses telling you we could give all this money to the NHS, but it won't just be labour, it'll be immigrants, social justice, lawyers, judges, green policies, benefits etc.
*he must be due another comeback by now.
I'm just amazed that Emmerdale won that award for best soap a night ago frankly.
Number 10 AKA Clusterfudge Farm should easily have won it.
Unrealistic and mad plots but totally enthralling. Almost like we are really living in the show!
What I highly doubt is that 80% of tory voters will look at this mess and think that the solution is to move left, not right.
Really? What do you think that Parliamentary Conservative Party is currently trying to do, move the party back further to the left of this right-wing economic madness, or further to the right?
There is now even talk of replacing Truss with a new leader without going through the party membership.
With all the opinions polls showing the Tories on about 25% and Labour more than double that neither voters nor Tory MPs appear to be thinking "what is needed is even more right-wing policies".
What’s happening in Leicester has nothing to do with uk politics
Yes, that was the point I was making. The article attached to the tweet is about 5 local elections that are going on now. They almost all have entirely ignored what's going on "nationally" people are still generally "voting the way they've always voted" Apart from fringe local events or candidates, there's nothing surprising going on.
What do you think that Parliamentary Conservative Party is currently trying to do,
[FWIW, if that were true I don't think Truss would even have made the final four, let alone the last two]
The party membership, Conservative voters and MPs are three different things.
If the Conservative party manages not to pull itself apart, a lot of the voters will stay, they vote blue because that's what they've always done and frankly they'd vote for Corbyn of he wore the right colour if tie.
Thing is I'm not at all convinced that the Cameron, Boris and Truss show hasn't fatally wounded that party, that its brought too much to light that they'll never manage to bury again.
I might be wrong, I'd like to be wrong, but I'm like the majority of folks and tend to believe in what I'm afraid of more readily than not.
BBC live streaming Kwarteng's jet coming in to land.
No pressure then!
BBC live streaming Kwarteng’s jet coming in to land.
Oh how I hope that's very bumpy.
I think I just saw the bus waiting for him...
The fall guy
https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1580868139692134400?t=QHQ-uHUWhTxBbOLvWVkO5w&s=19
@dudeofdoom You are Bobby Ewing AICMFP!
You'd be better off claiming a tenner. Five is worth **** all with inflation the way it is.
My view, while Truss might hope to make Kwarteng the fall guy by sacking him, its far too close in intent and time to the plans she outlined during the leadership election for her to distance herself from. I think the BBC would really struggle to find their 'balance' view of someone in the street saying she did the right thing to get rid of that rotter, it's all his fault.
Also who does she replace him with? It's clear from her cabinet she has no intent of pursuing a normal policy approach, preferring a cabal of loonies willing to go with the Brexit Unchained low tax, low regulation approach. Surely the next one will be just as bad if the Truss project is to keep floundering on.
Disaster economics living up to it’s name..
Surely the next one will be just as bad if the Truss project is to keep floundering on.
Even worse. After all he was the ideologue who allegedly had some idea about economics so next up is the ideologue who is just a nutter.
Surely the next one will be just as bad if the Truss project is to keep floundering on.
Rees Mogg is the obvious choice. We could soon be one step away from him being PM. 😳
allegedly had some idea about economics
More accurately - Political thought of the recoinage crisis of 1695-7.
His degree was in Politics and History.
Rees Mogg is the obvious choice. We could soon be one step away from him being PM.
Best start trying to learn this then
News conference at 2pm...
No10 refusing to comment on reports Kwarteng has been sacked.
its far too close in intent and time to the plans she outlined during the leadership election for her to distance herself from.
Yup, perhaps she will also announce her own resignation? She has now been comprehensively undermined by the failure of the mini budget, and so quick into her premiership, is it really feasible to believe that she might ever regain creditability?
Once a senior politician has lost their creditability the end is nigh. Whilst resignation would obviously be highly humiliating if moves within the Tory Party to replace Truss are as serious and inevitable as seem to believe, then resignation would be considerably less humiliating than being sacked so quickly after becoming leader.
The minor problem the PM has is that the tiny group of people who are responsible for this is basically, Kwarteng, a small group of no.10/11 spads and herself.
Everyone who votes Tory is responsible for this.
This all makes me think of the bit in say, a zombie apocalypse film, where the two main baddies are finally cornered by the zombies and the lead baddie shows their true colours by pushing their companion into the path of the oncoming horde in order to save their skin. Unfortunately for them this succeeds in buying them only a few more moments before they themselves fall prey to the zombies and are devoured, to much cheering from the audience.
He's done his job. He's made his banker friends a pretty penny shorting the pound. Once he finishes with politics he'll go on to some nice £500k a year consultancy job with one of the top City banks, pay routed through some offshore arrangement of course. Set for life.
I'm told that Kwasi Kwarteng is being sacked as Chancellor as Liz Truss prepares to reverse the mini-Budget
There is apparently a big press conference this afternoon...
I knew Truss would be terrible, I didn't think she'd be so bad that she had to undo everything she'd announced within days of announcing it. 😳
I had a manager like this once, someone promoted so far above her own abilities that every instruction to us would inevitably be followed by us explaining patiently to her why it wouldn't work, her telling us to get on with it anyway because she was in charge and then a week later she'd ask us why there was an almighty pile of shit and tell us to undo it all... 🙄
Everyone who votes Tory is responsible for this.
No, which is why many believe that a general election should be called.
As Greenpeace said at the Tory Party Conference, no one voted for this.
It's going to be epic watching Liz trying to distance herself from all this. By sacking him she is inferring she should share the same fate as she doubled down on everything he said.
I need popcorn.
Treasury sources tell us that Nadhim Zahawi or Sajid Javid could replace him at No 11.
I know that they're all about trying to climb the greasy pole, but would either of them accept the offer?
How can she possibly sack Kamikwasi and remain as PM after this shitshow?
That surely isn’t tenable?
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Full MemberHow can she possibly sack Kamikwasi and remain as PM after this shitshow?
That surely isn’t tenable?
Not if you have honour or integrity
I assume at this point, that he has the "full confidence and backing" of Liz Truss (the only prime minister to go to a comprehensive school, apart from the other ones).
Guardian reporting that Jeremy Hunt is being lined up...
I dont reckon she's going to U turn - she'll throw lover boy under the (deregulated) bus and tweak a couple of items.
I am enjoying the show.
And I can't even spell schadenfreude!
That surely isn’t tenable?
We've asked Liz whether it is tenable, she's consulted Minford and she claims it's actually at least twelveable.
We are in a time where Suella de Ville is running the Home Office, Grandma from Giles runs the NHS, and someone from the age of steam is in charge of Business. And JAMES CLEVERLY is Foreign Secretary. So who is to say where reality actually lies?