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Short term pain for long term gain.
I hope this is correct.
However, the damage they seem to be doing in the short term is massive and may take a long, long time to fix.
Even with this energy cap there are going to be a lot of businesses struggling and going under this winter.
You can make your point without being insulting binners. 🙂
One thing I am enjoying is my pondering on what is going thru trusses head now that her fantasy has been soundly destoyed the first time it hit reality.
That must hurt.
Cameron was probably the most corrupt of them
I will bet money that in 75-100 years time when kids are studying this part of our history in school , Cameron and May will be bit players that are dull and hard to get excited about and Johnson will be seen as the protagonist, solely because he's the sort of character that is memorable. His blunders are larger than life, his misrule more egregious than others, the fact that he's the only sitting PM to have been charged with a crime will be pub-quiz question for years to come. Cameron may have done the damage, Johnson will carry the rap in popular history.
She’s a bit conspicuous by her absence right now isn’t she? What’s she up to?
Truss appears to have left the public role of Prime Minister to Kwarteng. It is left to him to make public announcements that have absolutely nothing to do with his brief as Chancellor of the Exchequer.
Firstly he announced that easing of onshore wind farms rules which reasonably would be expected to be in the briefs of either the cabinet ministers responsible for environmental or energy. And more recently he has announced further restrictions on trade unions which is an area that is generally covered in the brief of an employment/work and pensions minister:
The Chancellor of the Exchequer appears to be running the show at the moment. I have no idea why, especially as his department can hardly claim to have too work to get on with.
My understanding is that under tory party rules she is safe from a challenge for a year.
That really isn't a problem, the Tory Party simply change the rules concerning how their leader is chosen to suit the circumstances.
Labour does the same - their last few leaders have been chosen under quite different rules.
I noted this morning it’s seems you cannot get a mortgage below 5% from the major lenders who have revised thier mortgage offers. Even Nationwides 5 & 10 years are at the same 5.5% that the 2yr is. The best they have is year 1 at 3.5% then moving to 5.1 on a 2 year which I think is a good indication of where we all think the rates are going.
She’s a bit conspicuous by her absence right now isn’t she? What’s she up to?
My money would be on her being in Ukraine for Boris style photo op.
The Chancellor of the Exchequer appears to be running the show at the moment. I have no idea why, especially as his department can hardly claim to have too work to get on with.
And what a fine job he is doing.
You could have put the missing word in my quote! 😟
it's all a cunning plan, hide and make it look like Keir Starmer is the PM.
In fairness she did explicitly say she'd hit the ground as soon as she became PM.
I do wonder how her mental health is today.
I don't see her as having the psychopath tendencies of many senior tories so the impact of getting the top job, implementing her plans that she has been dreaming of for a decade and finding they are an unmitigated disaster might be quite savage.
Sitting in a corner rocking with a bottle of gin?
In fairness she did explicitly say she’d hit the ground as soon as she became PM.
If she was part of Putin's administration I'd imagine she'd have done just this after an unfortunate 5th floor balcony incident.
She did say that she was "prepared to make the unpopular decisions"
I do wonder how her mental health is today.
I don’t see her as having the psychopath tendencies of many senior tories so the impact of getting the top job, implementing her plans that she has been dreaming of for a decade and finding they are an unmitigated disaster might be quite savage.
Sitting in a corner rocking with a bottle of gin?
Alternatively she's still rocking at the coke and caviar party being held in the city
Do you think she will ignore all this and not make any statement until the conference next week?
The speeches could be interesting if the pound sinks further.
I just had a thought (prompted by a Guardian comment). This is a great opportunity for Tories that aren't Truss and Kwarteng to boost their electability by being outspoken critics. Which could be disingenuous, but it might actually work to raise the tone of politics overall, in the long run. A sort of McCarthy/Welch moment.
Do you think she will ignore all this
I've read that "People who know her" have said that she doesn't suffer crisis of confidence once she made up her mind about something. So yeah, I think she's just ignoring it all.
I've just been looking at euro and world news not a single one showed any positive news about her.
The UK news is as we know negative.
My Tory MP got an email this morning from me.
The woman is dangerous and incompetent.
Nickc. That why i suspect this failure might be devastating for her. Shaken her whole world view. If she were psychopathic she coukd ignore it like trump and johnson but thats not how i read her. Once she breaks it will be spectacular
Just a thought
I see she has found the time to speak to Zelenskiy today and he was kind enough to tweet about it. Keeps her in the public eye without having to answer any questions.
Nickc. That why i suspect this failure might be devastating for her. Shaken her whole world view. If she were psychopathic she coukd ignore it like trump and johnson but thats not how i read her. Once she breaks it will be spectacular
Just a thought
I have to say I'm in a world of not caring really about Liz Truss's mental wellbeing now. She wanted the Job and should know better than to expect any sympathy when she's just sacrificed our economy on the alter of her own blind ambition.
She's presiding over plenty of damage to other people's mental and financial health within a couple of weeks of taking office. TBH conforming to the mental image I had already assembled of her as a vain, self-interested, over-confident and ultimately incompetent leader chosen by a handful of out of touch old duffers themselves driven primarily by spite and greed...
Oh i dont feel sorry for her at all.
**** her and the Tory horse she rode in on
**** her WITH the Tory horse she rode in on.
What's the horse done to upset you.
Genuinely wouldn't be surprised if she pops up in Kyiv with her arm around Zelensky in the next 24 hours.
The desperation is palpable.
What’s the horse done to upset you.
Missed a golden opportunity to trample Matt Hancock? Bloody Tory Horse!
Never did truss horses it's the eyes
#Trusster**** is currently trending on Twitter
Genuinely wouldn’t be surprised if she pops up in Kyiv with her arm around Zelensky in the next 24 hours.
What hoping his good luck will rub off on her?
Also I don't think he's too keen on people that take over countries based on dodgy votes right now...
Missus and I have both agreed that BoJo would be better than this. FML
Rory burning some more bridges and being a bit candid about the PM's character:
I honestly question if Lizzy will make Christmas TBH.
Surprised 🙄
https://twitter.com/AnushkaAsthana/status/1575220392771604480?t=YyNoOGF288ydA_MUlzkcJw&s=19
Rory Stewart is quite likeable. I highly recommend The Rest is Politics podcast with him and Alistair Campbell. They're both highly critical of the current government but with both of them there's a bit of balance and good thoughtful conversation.
I'm intrigued by Rory. Says a lot of sense and manages to come across quite measured.
(In that interview. I don't actually have a clue who he is)
Cabinet apparently denying anything is their fault and discussing a range of issues other than the economy.
FML.
It really is hard to comprehend what this country has become, and I grew up during the 80s...
Absolutely nuts
https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/1575225434706702336?t=kEt-IkHwC0oGtCjM9bRiCQ&s=19
I always thought she was a loon tbh, and I was convinced the membership would never be stupid enough to vote her in
It's jaw dropping
(In that interview. I don’t actually have a clue who he is)
He ran for Prime Minister against Boris Johnson. Got kicked out during the early stages for being too sensible (and being a remainer).
Ta
The Mrs refers to her as Thatchers Goblin.
Have the tories not blamed the Labour conference and its announcements as the reason for the demise of the pound yet?
Yep, it is the fear of a Labour government that led the money markets to devalue the pound but despite the polls putting Labour in the lead for quite some time they only noticed this possibility after the fiscal event.
Quite delusional. They are probably so fixated on the idea that 2bn of tax breaks for their chums couldn't possibly lead to hundreds of billions of damage, while ignoring the withholding of the OBR report, which is the greater sin in terms of market trust and confidence. The enthusiastic embracing of national self-harm in the form of Brexit, plus the influence of the IEA, has already made the markets wonder about the calibre of our leadership, this just compounds it.
The principle that no sane Chancellor would directly borrow at a time when public finances are under immense strain simply to fund tax cuts for the wealthy, coupled with what seems like evasive opacity over official economic data, and the sacking of the Chief Secretary, are the triggers for this. Quite frankly, they think he and Liz are bonkers, in complete disregard of fiscal norms, and if they are happy to behave like this after a handful of days, what's coming around the corner?
A key role of the Chancellor of the Exchequer is to reassure the markets about the solidity of leadership and good sense at the Treasury. Kwarteng has been utterly cavalier about it in his statements, and blasé about the consequences since.
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The Mrs refers to her as Thatchers Goblin.
Margarine Thatcher.
cavalier about it in his statements
Wasn't he the first person to swear on University Challenge?
I'm starting to get the feeling that Truss, Kwarteng, et al are in place just now as a dupe by the tories, so that in 18 months they get replaced by Boris, Rishi and the old gang and people will be rejoicing in the streets at that prospect 😂
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Margarine Thatcher
Anyone enjoying Truss' local radio jamboree? Radio Kent winning so far on giving her a roasting, but kudos to BBC Lancashire for stumping her when asked if she'd actually go to the fracking site.
0800 LEEDS
0808 NORFOLK
0815 KENT
0822 LANCASHIRE
0830 NOTTINGHAM
0838 TEES
0845 BRISTOL
0852 STOKE
She obviously spent so much time preparing for the economy questions she didn't prep for the fracking question on Radio Lancashire. Got properly pinned down on it.
https://twitter.com/jonsopel/status/1575394270932000769?s=20&t=5nFSmEoRkQ_k7Hus-9d6Kg
Do we get to hear some more from the people who said we were underestimating how well Truss was going to do at all this stuff as PM? She’s fluffing it up earlier, faster and more conclusively than I thought. She’s going to have to be in the fridge, avoiding any journalist worth their salt, for most of her time in the job, isn’t she.
Rory Stewart is quite likeable.
He's just another Public School, born to rule Tory with a despicable voting record on the NHS, Welfare and Tax.
The Difference with this one is that he was the right shade of Remain to beguile Centrists and make them believe that he was something else.
oh dear that was painfully fun
Yep, it is the fear of a Labour government that led the money markets to devalue the pound
Surely the hole in their own argument here is that there's only likely to be a Labour Government in the future because of their own inabilities to govern 🙂
How stupid do they think people are to not be able to see that ?
That really sets the stall out on Lizzy.
She's clearly not competent enough to even be questioned by a local radio host. How on earth does she expect to stand up to an actual political journalist? She's going to avoid all interviews isn't she? Will she be reduced to making announcements via TikTok?
Truss told a very dangerous lie in 2 interviews today
She is wrong , bills are not capped at £2500
https://twitter.com/MartinSLewis/status/1575073078119235584?t=wPkQPjDe6oOzY9yX9cVhSw&s=19
He’s just another Public School, born to rule Tory with a despicable voting record on the NHS, Welfare and Tax.
Not quite accurate. Read his books, look at what he was doing in his 20's and 30's and you will realise he has a better understanding of how the world works than most of us ever will. He genuinely is a world leading expert on the middle eat and on international and economic development (he is a fellow at Yale). He has spoken about his voting record and explained the whip system extensively. He was forced to vote for things he did not agree with to ensure he still got funding for his constituency and ministerial department. He hated that but at least he has explained it. He is a fascinating guy and potentially the best Prime Minister we will never have.
Rory Stewart is quite likeable.
Like many former MPs he's now able to express opinions that would've been unwelcomed by party whips. As @trailmonkey suggests, he still voted with his party for some pretty harmful outcomes
He is an intelligent and interesting chap for sure.
He has spoken about his voting record and explained the whip system extensively. He was forced to vote for things he did not agree with to ensure he still got funding for his constituency and ministerial department. He hated that but at least he has explained it
Sort of like saying ' Sorry I had to punch you in the face and nick your bike but my brother needs a new one and he's bigger than me.'
Still a tory tho. It shows how debased our politics has become that he seems so good and moderate
John Smith is the best prime minister we never had.
Anyone seen any evidence what so ever of how we move the low paid into high paid jobs as she's prattling on about?
Im keen to tell my brother when he'll be able to ditch his job as an agricultural labourer so he can become a junior in the financial sector
Lot of time for Roy Stewart, very considered fella.
he was kicked out of the leadership contest because he couldn't help be honest and answer complicated questions with complicated answers (or say couldnt give an immediate answer as there was so much to consider) and people didnt have time for that. thats exactly the sort of politician we need
Rory Stewart was my constituent MP. I am naturally slightly left of centre so he was quickly known as Rory the Tory in our house. I was a bit pissed off that another candidate was helicoptered in to a safe seat as well.
In time I met him twice and was surprised that we had a lot of shared views. He actually worked really hard for the area unlike the new guy Neil Hudson who just takes credit for things that other people have done. As a working politician I had a lot of respect for Rory.
Also apparently im going to be " encouraged " back into employment. Dunno what job im supposed to do tho with a body and mind damaged by 40 years no nursing but hey ho. Bicycle courier?
Still a tory tho.
Have a listen to his and Alistair Cambels podcast "rest is politics". He comes across exceptionally well.
However to paraphrase, It shows how tribalism our politics has become that people automatically dismiss someone purely because of the colour of their rosette.
(To clarify I have never voted Tory, and going from the current lot in power never could. But I would vote Rory into power, whatever colour of his Rosette.)
She is wrong , bills are not capped at £2500
I thought that this was widely understood until earlier this week and I had to correct quite a few people. They actually thought the was an absolute energy cap. Fairly well educated people too.
that people automatically dismiss someone purely because of the colour of their rosette.
If someone had a red rosette and his voting record, I'd still think of him in the same way.
Its not tribalism
Its understanding that the Tories exist for one reason only. To keep power and wealth in the hands of the powerful and wealthy.
Yes the one nation conservatives realise they have to keep the rest content and look after them in a paternal way but no tory will ever redistribute power and wealth in any significant way.
Those local radio interviews are excellent. She thought she would get an easy time and just had her arse handed to her by multiple Alan Partridges.
James O'Brien is going to be good this morning.
My favourite of the clips I've heard so far, Rima from BBC Radio Leeds icily asking her if she slept well, naive Liz saying actually, she did, thinking 'this is going to be a nice one', then getting absolutely nuked...
https://twitter.com/OwsWills/status/1575382219564240897
How longs she got? Knives are out already no?
When this is the rolling judgement from the Daily Mail you really are in trouble
https://twitter.com/dpjhodges/status/1575385181262909442?s=21&t=RKXJ3U-G-baYWLrta9AQdw
https://twitter.com/dpjhodges/status/1575389611865653248?s=21&t=RKXJ3U-G-baYWLrta9AQdw
https://twitter.com/dpjhodges/status/1575390602488909824?s=21&t=RKXJ3U-G-baYWLrta9AQdw
https://twitter.com/dpjhodges/status/1575396115364646914?s=21&t=RKXJ3U-G-baYWLrta9AQdw