What do you mean? The eightfold path says one must right view, right intention, right speech, right action, right livelihood, right effort, right mindfulness and right samatha- she's got all that nailed.
The eightfold path says....
I haven't got a clue what the eightfold path says, I'm not a Buddhist - I'm a Catholic!
Edit: Btw about 3 weeks ago I went to Aarthy celebration in Bhaktivedanta Manor - it was brilliant! Tens of thousands of people, but I didn't see Rishi Sunak. Great food but the queue to the shrine was too long. Far too much to see in just a couple of hours or so.
Any Hare Krishna/Hindu is Liz Truss's most diverse Cabinet ever?
Luckily, I told you what it says. If not in great detail, then at least enough to understand the joke
Yes, thank you for sharing the wisdom - I appreciate it.
Ian Dunt suspects that Starmer is laying the groundwork for a later fall into a pit or her own devising.
At the risk of invoking the thread police thats what was also said about how he interacted with Johnson. The cunning pit falls were all missed though whilst Johnson charged headlong into his own party and asked them outside for a fight.
So I wouldnt hold your breath. Its best when the trap springs shut before they die of old age.
It could well get more interesting since she does seem to believe in answering a question vaguely resembling the one asked as opposed to just sprouting some bad latin and insults which makes her more vulnerable to good questions but we will see.
And the amount of black and asian faces in Tory Cabinets these days.
Something Cameron deserves credit for. He put a lot of effort into positive discrimination. Having looked at the output I do wonder if it was a cunning plan to undermine the idea.
To suggest that Buddhism is somehow pacifist, and free from the taint of political violence, is to misrepresent the actual experience of lots of real people.
Organised religion is always, and everywhere, oppressive.
Which party do Red Wall voters trust the most on…? (Conservative | Labour) Immigration (20% | 32%)
Well that shatters one STW cherished truth.
Or does it mean that “Red Wall” voters now see the Labour Party as the most racist party?
I'm not a red wall voter but I trust labour more on immigration. I trust them to have a better immigration stance. To be less likely to use gun boats on refugees or send asylum seekers to Rwanda.
Must take some mental gymnastics to reconcile that with some of her political opinions.
Only in the same way as any Christian tory. Was Theresa May acting in a christian way when Home Secretary and then PM? Not how I think a Christian should be acting towards others no.
Reese Mogg has to be one of the worst for religious hypocrisy
It's a hotly-contested position in recent government.
nickjb
Reese Mogg has to be one of the worst for
religioushypocrisy
Super-centrist disappointed that Truss wasn't an absolute disaster on her first PMQs.
https://twitter.com/IanDunt/status/1567498077199634433?t=QHYNZdsXd7nBQ6Rkr92yOg&s=19
I mean if we all give her a few days I'm sure she will come up with something.
There will be plenty to analyse this morning when if predicted she kicks out £130bn of support v Labour's paltry 29bn package. (Only 'funded' by £8bn of windfall tax. Dopes. The other part being funded by fantasy inflation savings.)
Labour were positioned to go big and the Tories are going way bigger.
v Labour’s paltry 29bn package
You know that was for an emergency 6 month thing with more to follow that would depend on what the energy market was doing etc.? But why let facts get in the way of a good troll I guess :p
why not just issue an energy bond for 200 billion on Monday and have @bankofengland buy it on Friday @KeirStammer .....?
I like Blanchflower, always worth listening to… but the answer is… likely to lead to GBP falling towards parity with the US dollar and either a huge further jump in inflation or interest rates (or more likely both). You might say that with our self imposed sanctions at a time of crisis we’re heading there anyway so it doesn’t matter… but that’s letting government off the hook with fatalism… they need to not * this up further…
[ narrator: they did * this up further ]
You know that was for an emergency 6 month thing with more to follow that would depend on what the energy market was doing etc.?
That’s the problem with the opposition announcing their plans earlier than government. Of course, many people were saying that Labour announced theirs too late as it was. 🤷🏻♂️
You know that was for an emergency 6 month thing with more to follow that would depend on what the energy market was doing etc.? But why let facts get in the way of a good troll I guess :p
That doesn't make a lot of sense. It doesn't matter what the energy is doing, you either have a price cap or you don't, that's the point - it guarantees a maximum price.
Or are suggesting that if there is a very substantial price increase in energy prices in say 6 months time there should no longer be a price cap?
And if the price falls in 6 months time the fact that there is a price cap will make no difference - it's a "cap" not a fixed price.
So what the market does is irrelevant. A price cap gives domestic consumers and businesses reassurance, guarantees, and the ability to plan.
Labour could have proposed a 18 month energy price cap, they didn't. And the reason they didn't according to the Labour Party leader and Shadow Chancellor is because they believe it is unaffordable. Pointing that out that fact isn't "trolling".
Looks like the US have just let her get all the Queenie stuff out of the way before a timely shot across the bows
Just a not-so-subtle reminder that if she tears up the Northern Ireland Protocol then she can forget any potential trade deals with the US
White House warns Truss over efforts to ‘undo’ Northern Ireland protocol
Given that she’s essentially just a sock puppet for the ERG and the cabinet is made up almost entirely of their number, I doubt even that will stop her from triggering Article 16 and starting a trade war with the EU
How on earth did we end up with these extremist lunatics at the helm? Where it’s necessary for the US to immediately issue warnings to the new PM about the consequences of her breaking international law, like we’re some mad rogue state. It’s truly tragic where this country now is under the influence of these unhinged nationalist headbangers 😢
Even by the somewhat flexible ‘values’ Lizzie holds I wonder, as she campaigned for remain, she could have imagined that’s where she’d end up, just to satisfy her apparently limitless narcissism and ambition?
Saw my parents last night, both voted leave and have voted Tory pretty much all their lives, in theory they are precisely the kind of people Truss has been desperately trying to appeal to.
I was struck just how unenthused they they were about Truss, like, 'really, is that all they've got!?'
Both would have preferred Sunak as he 'at least appears to live in the real world' regarding the economy.
It's not exactly a representative sample but if that's the reaction of two pretty true blue voters deep in the Tory Shires, Truss's new leader 'bounce' looks pretty much DOA.
Do they deliberately photograph her to try to make her look like a sex doll from Wilko? I’d have expected better from the Torygraph.
FFS dude! I've got enough to be getting on with without cleaning keyboards!
Reese Mogg has to be one of the worst for religious hypocrisy
Dunno, he seems to fit the mould for a good number of religious types. Seen the god-botherers across the pond and their attempts to create the new republic of Gilead?
I get that folk want to try and be positive about this but does anyone find the unbridled enthusiam of some of our furthest left cohort rather bizarre?
Gushing over Truss whilst flinging insults at anyone further right than He Who Shall Not Be Named. Have you actually moved so far left you're now at the other side of the circle? WTF is going on here?
For context this isn't hating on the left, it's questioning those who claim to be left yet seem to have this strange enthusiasm for Tory PM's.
That doesn’t make a lot of sense. It doesn’t matter what the energy is doing, you either have a price cap or you don’t, that’s the point – it guarantees a maximum price.
Because there's not just a single option of a blanket price cap? If energy prices keep increasing to ridiculous levels then a blanket cap with the difference funded entirely by the government might not be the best option. But perhaps it might be - seems sensible to me to get something done quickly as people need support now and review it as time goes on.
The main point is Labour never said "our entire solution is we'll support a 6 month price cap then then you're on your own" so comparing costs of a 6 month Labour plan with a presumably 18 month Tory plan is comparing apples and oranges
I get that folk want to try and be positive about this but does anyone find the unbridled enthusiam of some of our furthest left cohort rather bizarre?
Gushing over Truss whilst flinging insults at anyone further right than He Who Shall Not Be Named. Have you actually moved so far left you’re now at the other side of the circle? WTF is going on here?
For context this isn’t hating on the left, it’s questioning those who claim to be left yet seem to have this strange enthusiasm for Tory PM’s
Which is why nobody goes near ‘that’ particularly toxic thread other than the usual 5, furiously agreeing with each other. And why the same 5 then infect every other politics thread with stuff that should remain there, thus derailing them until boring everyone into submission
If you go far enough in either direction and you meet in the middle, around the other side.
Nothing has highlighted this more than Brexit and the politics it’s ushered in. Talk to your average Lexiteer (I know a few of them) and close your eyes and you could be listening to Nigel Farage
*sits back and awaits flaming by the usual 5*
For me I believe Truss will be a complete disaster as PM and that will lead to the collapse of the tory vote making the tories unelectable for decades and thus give the labour party time in government to undo the damage that 15 years of tory rule has done
Short term pain for long term gain.
Imo someone like Sunack who appears to be competent would perhaps damage the country less but certainly damage the electoral prospects of the tory party less.
Maybe I'm delusional but thats my thinking
For me I believe Truss will be a complete disaster as PM and that will lead to the collapse of the tory vote making the tories unelectable for decades
People were making that exact statement a few years ago about Boris
If energy prices keep increasing to ridiculous levels then a blanket cap with the difference funded entirely by the government might not be the best option.
What other options could Labour be considering - disconnecting domestic customers who can't afford their bills and letting businesses go under?
It is reasonable to expect Labour to reveal what options they are considering for a huge crises that is severely affecting millions of people.
I get that folk want to try and be positive about this but does anyone find the unbridled enthusiam of some of our furthest left cohort rather bizarre?
What enthusiasm? Some of us have pointed out that Truss isn't going to be the idiot 'sock puppet' which the liberal democrats on here arrogantly assume and that Starmer will need to up his game as a result. It's only been a day and pretty much everything I've said about Truss has already come true. All stuff which the likes of binners et al dismissed because they refuse to engage their brains and instead indulge in childish insults.
For me I believe Truss will be a complete disaster as PM and that will lead to the collapse of the tory vote making the tories unelectable for decades and thus give the labour party time in government to undo the damage that 15 years of tory rule has done
Tories unelectable for decades?
Maybe I’m delusional but thats my thinking
Definitely delusional. I can't even see the tories losing the next election, the red wall seats could go back to Labour but tories will still scrape through.
Not how I think a Christian should be acting towards others no.
It all tends to fail on 2 tenets of the faith:
Love thy neighbour as thyself
Judge not lest ye be judged
They manage to love the lord their god without a problem but forget the earthly component. (King James wording used because I like it).
Not according to the polls. Tories on course to loose hugely
Unless like Earnie you only look at the polls where labour does badly.
The current polls are showing a huge labour majority
Correct me if I’m wrong, but no policies, never mind the detail of those policies, have actually been announced yet, have they?
So what you’re commenting on is pure speculation, a lot of which will no doubt have been kite-flying and spin
Also Truss as pm increases the number of folk who are in favour of scots independence
For me I believe Truss will be a complete disaster as PM and that will lead to the collapse of the tory vote making the tories unelectable for decades
People were making that exact statement a few years ago about Boris
He was a disaster as PM, and his time as PM haslead to a collapse in Tory support, according to the polling and by-elections.
I agree that they can still win more elections though, including the next one. Demographic spread in the UK still stacks the FPTP odds in their favour, and that'll be made worse by boundary changes, plus they don't have any opposition party leaders that can hold the interest of voters to deal with. South of the border anyway.
FRACKING
What's the point? For anyone outside the "Institute of Economic Affairs" and fossil fuel industry inner circle that is.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/09/07/truss-fracking-ambitions-fuel-opposition/
For context this isn’t hating on the left, it’s questioning those who claim to be left yet seem to have this strange enthusiasm for Tory PM’s.
Don't confuse enthusiasm with resignation. We can't change the outcome, can't even influence it right now, but maybe there is a glimmer of hope that she won't be quite as disasterous as we have come to believe?
Maybe? The bar is quite low though...
I think that is probably the lie we keep telling ourselves as the alternative is abject horror from staring into the abyss that is another two years (maybe more) of tory government (and their continous shift further right)
FRACKING
What’s the point?
It’s just more right wing ideology which, post-Brexit, is now some weirdly empowered cult, with the stereotypical over-zealous convert now leading it
Everyone with any knowledge of the global energy markets knows it’ll make no difference at all, but it’s just another article of faith for the Uber-free-marketeers currently in charge
Correct me if I’m wrong, but no policies
Apart from a 130bn bailout of the energy industry to cap energy bills. Seems like a pretty big policy to me, and one which you lot said she wouldn't do because she was a rightwing ideologue. 🤷♂️
It isn’t policy yet. It’s speculation.
What other options could Labour be considering – disconnecting domestic customers who can’t afford their bills and letting businesses go under?
Yes, that's exactly it 🙄
The alternatives have been discussed in the relevant thread, market reform would be another option.
Some of us have pointed out that Truss isn’t going to be the idiot ‘sock puppet’ which the liberal democrats on here arrogantly assume
Oh that's a new one, is that the new code word for centrists?
And that's a rather bold assumption, she's been a sock puppet for years albeit a wind sock, what makes you think she's going to just all of a sudden grow a spine and adopt principles?
As has been pointed out, she hasn't just appeared from nowhere, peoples scepticism is based on a long and well documented track record.
It isn’t policy yet. It’s speculation.
Oh give over. It's been trailed so heavily in the media for the past 48 hours that it's nailed on it's going to happen. Come back in a few hours and then tell me I'm wrong.
what makes you think she’s going to just all of a sudden grow a spine and adopt principles?
Where have I said that? I've been saying for some time that she's not the ideologue she pretends to be and that the lib dems on here say she is. The fact that she's about to spend more than four times as much as labour were proposing on the energy crisis proves that. I have no doubt she's ideologically committed to tax cuts, that much is obvious. As with Johnson though where she departs from the rightwing script is how she will fund them. So while labour pursue the deadend obsession about where the money is coming from, she'll get on with policies which have a direct impact on the finances of millions, and no doubt win millions of votes in the process.
Liz Truss will be seen as doing well, not because she’s any good, but because the expectations are so low.
Beware
People were making that exact statement a few years ago about Boris
You know how in Star Wars Anakin is meant to be the saviour and bring balance to the Force, then he doesn't, then he finally does but not in the way you expect? This is like that.
